# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 80
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2008, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1581 "2008-10-25T05:00:00Z")
Coherency is wasted…on…and so am I. _refills glass o’ Jack_ ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2008, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1582 "2008-10-25T06:09:02Z")
> [@CatInASuit](#): > > Anyone want anything a little more exotic, \*\*Squid \*\*has this whole set of fruit bowls and umbrellas. [brains] There’s also a whole bunch of those tiny plastic swords. You can find them stuck in the little voodoo doll that looks like you back behind the cheap gin. [/brains] ---
**Author:** ![CatInASuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3be4f8/32.png) [@CatInASuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatInASuit)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2008, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1583 "2008-10-25T06:36:49Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > [brains] > There’s also a whole bunch of those tiny plastic swords. You can find them stuck in the little voodoo doll that looks like you back behind the cheap gin. > [/brains] Excellent, I needed something to serve the Calamari on. There’s a bowl of Pork Scratchings as well, if anyone’s interested. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2008, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1584 "2008-10-26T15:59:56Z")
The mood was one of growing excitement and general drunkenness. Nobody had slept more than a couple hours, as the party was long and boisterous. Santo Rugger still wore only a leopard skin thong. The group massed in the lava room. DiggitCamera did a head count. “Everyone’s here!” he exclamimed! “That means CatInASuit’s scum, right?” “Not necessarily.” replied CatInASuit. “I mean, that part went on for all night. What if the T-1000 just couldn’t get away from the crowd?” “No, I’m pretty sure everyone went somewhere for a while.” said Zeriel. “I was the assistant barman, for example, and I had to go into the backroom to keep Boozy from eating all the brains. And if a terminator could move, I’m sure he would have.” CatInASuit paused, then said “Ah. I was busy sitting in the shadowy corner where we keep all the rope for half the night. It’s weird. You humans won’t huddle together, even when you have to.” Everyone blinked. “I mean, we humans should–I mean…uh…aw, fuck it.” And with that, CatInASuit barreled toward Sarah Conner–or Mhaye, as she was commonly referred to–growing and growing shiny as he did so. Fortunately, Sarah was on the other side of the large room, giving the town time to do something. “Somebody do something!” “I’m just an ordinary scientist” said Zeriel. “Sorry, my gun’s in the garbage disposal” muttered DiggitCamera. “I’m sure my tiny key will do _so much_” sarcastically said OaOW. “And I’m out of rope…” thought Oredigger. By this time, CatInASuit was halfway across the room. Santo Rugger simply gestured at himself, indicating that there was no place to hide a weapon or tool. But this gave Oredigger an idea. With the skill of a professional, he simultaneously clamped his eyes shut, ripped the thong off of Santo Rugger, and prepared knots, all while shouting “HEY! LOOK AT SANTO!” CatInASuit looked, and his logic processors took a couple seconds to reassess the situation. In a feat that has never been preformed and probably never will again, Oredigger managed to subdue the giant metal man with only a thong. With his eyes closed. In two seconds. He smirked as CatInASuit woke up and freaked out. “Hey!” said Oredigger. “OaOW! Could you give me a hand with this?” OaOW ambled over. The two of them picked him up and heaved him into the lake of fire. The thong burned in seconds. CatInASuit melted soon after. There were cheers, whistles, and even a ‘My hero!’. Oredigger turned around, expecting to get the thanks of a hero, only to find that his spotlight had been stolen by Santo Rugger, who–still fully naked–was making out with an increasingly disheveled and slightly insane Sarah Mhaye Connor. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2008, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1585 "2008-10-26T16:04:57Z")
Congratulations, town! You got the Terminators, saved the lab, and got the girl! Almost Human, Blaster Master, Cometothedarksidewehavecookies, Zeriel, Oredigger77, DiggitCamera, DrainBead, Koldanar, Pollux Oil, Flyfisheron, Mhaye, OneandOnlyWanderers, peekercpa, Rysto, sachertorte, Santo Rugger, Boozahol Squid, P.I., Storyteller, dotchan, Total Lost, and Zsofia all contributed to this win. (There were a lot of subs). And kudos to the scum team, who hung on for quite a long time! CatInASuit, Naf1138, NaturalBlondChap, ShadowFacts, ThingFish, and Rysto all stuck to it! (I don’t care how you count this, Rysto) ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2008, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1586 "2008-10-26T16:06:36Z")
For those who wanted to see the scum thoughts (or my thoughts?), the board is here. [notsogenericscum.proboards101.com](http://notsogenericscum.proboards101.com) Password for the machine shop is: Metallicated Password for the spoiler board is: ifyouknowwhatImean Password for the other board is off limits, as it is being used for my next game (which will be pimped in my next post.) ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2008, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1587 "2008-10-26T16:11:00Z")
If you liked this game, come back for the next pede-modded game: **SSB:I**! (Stands for Subtle SCUM Based Infiltration/Intrigue)! Features: –A return to the borda count system you all know and love. –Play as your favorite character from Super Smash Bros Brawl and beyond! –Guest Balancing by two very experienced players, NAF1138 and Idle Thoughts. –No-one is without powers! Disclaimer: SSBI will not be run immediately after Marvel, nor after LoTR. It may run after a couple other here. This is good, as it is not finished yet. Sign in today! ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2008, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1588 "2008-10-26T16:29:05Z")
Oh ya!! Nice work Town. Not a bad job scum you guys kept me guessing. Woooo! ---
**Author:** ![Almost\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@Almost\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Almost_Human)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2008, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1589 "2008-10-26T16:46:17Z")
Thanks for an excellent game pede - really enjoyed it once I figured out what I was doing 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2008, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1590 "2008-10-26T21:04:40Z")
Yay town! Good job. Fun game, pede. Good job to you too. Well-played Zeriel. Apologies for leaving you in such a state. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2008, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1591 "2008-10-26T23:16:08Z")
Hooray. Victory via thong. Much rejoicing. Cat’s scum, as usual. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1592 "2008-10-27T01:00:45Z")
Woooot! > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Yay town! Good job. Fun game, pede. Good job to you too. > > Well-played Zeriel. Apologies for leaving you in such a state. No problem, I’m used to playing from a point of “Everyone is almost certain I’m scum”, that’s just the way it happens when you strategize off-the-cuff like I do anyway. Thanks for the chance to play. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1593 "2008-10-27T01:32:45Z")
So, **CatInA** threw in the towel? Sucka! Good game guys, that was a fun one!!! ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1594 "2008-10-27T02:02:02Z")
There are still some unresolved questions about the game, though–foremost being “How does MHaye feel about his color couch time with everyone’s favorite Rugger?” ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1595 "2008-10-27T02:46:51Z")
Curses, foiled again.☹ Who says murderous robots can’t cry? Sorry, team. For those of you who were wondering what really happened on Day One: I copied BlaM (thinking that since he is a good player and wasn’t attracting votes, it would be nice to know if he was a power role). He, of course, turned out to be the T-800. This set me up for an agonizing weekend of trying to figure out whether the benefit to my team of getting an extra nightkill outweighed the risk of hitting a Connor. I wasn’t at all sure at the time, and in retrospect I feel certain that I made the wrong move, since I failed to take into consideration how vulnerable my death would leave scum to the mass roleclaim. (Actually, I think that this setup, with so many Town players having not-particularly-powerful but nonetheless verifiable roles, made it very tough for scum to win; only NBC’s masterful play kept us in it as long as we were). Anyway, once I had decided to go ahead and kill, I looked around for a likely target and decided on Boozahol, figuring that surely \*the guy who had forgotten he was even playing in the game \*was unlikely to have an exciting power role. So the question I am dying to hear the answer to is directed to Boozy: was that a brilliant play on your part, or just good fortune? Anyway, well played, everyone. See you next game! Thanks for the modding, Ped. At least I died before having to see Santo in (or out of) his thong! ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1596 "2008-10-27T03:01:23Z")
Curses we were foiled. Thanks pede for modding and a tip of the hat with bells on to the town. Thing Fish, over on the scum thread we were able to communicate night and day. This helped massively in getting me lynched as CIAS NAF and Shadow could advise when to tone down or ramp up the scumminess all the time, so it was quite a team effort. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1597 "2008-10-27T03:20:47Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Anyway, once I had decided to go ahead and kill, I looked around for a likely target and decided on Boozahol, figuring that surely \*the guy who had forgotten he was even playing in the game \*was unlikely to have an exciting power role. So the question I am dying to hear the answer to is directed to Boozy: was that a brilliant play on your part, or just good fortune? While I wouldn’t go so far as to claim brilliance. I was trying to seem monumentally disinterested in the game, in order to garner more interest from the scum than normal: John’s role in the game is only interesting as bait for the scum. That being said, did I miss anything about his power (other than being a Connor vis-a-vis the T-800)? Can anyone think up something really useful other than self-confirmation for the Connor-question? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1598 "2008-10-27T03:29:35Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > While I wouldn’t go so far as to claim brilliance. I was trying to seem monumentally disinterested in the game, in order to garner more interest from the scum than normal: John’s role in the game is only interesting as bait for the scum. > > That being said, did I miss anything about his power (other than being a Connor vis-a-vis the T-800)? Can anyone think up something really useful other than self-confirmation for the Connor-question? There was…a complex, dice-based, quasi-watcher and match-the-voice aspect to his role that I had kept secret. Hang on, I’ll C&P from the secret board: > [@Crazy Role Secrets](#): > > I’ve got a new idea. First, we’d have to order when events happen from various characters at night. > > 1. The roleblocker and paranoid doc sedate their targets > 2. The commuter may or may not leave. > 3. The bus driver switches his targets. > 4. The politician buys his vote > 5. The vig, T-800, and chosen T-1000 attack. > 6. The doctor arrives and cures his target if nessecary. > Here’s what John Conner would do. This time, he would only ask one question from one player. However, for each action taken on his target/taken by his target: > We roll a dice. 1&6 are too early, 2&5 are on time, 3&4 are too late. > > Note that he has a tape recorder to communicate to the town at dawn with. > > If he comes before any happenings, he asks his question and moves on. If he arrives during an event, he would watch it, and we would hear it take place. If he arrives after an event (or between events) he would see the aftermath/see his target walk in. If he rolls a 2 or 5 when the target is taking an action, no one will be there. > > Examples: (assuming cookies is targeted) > Cookies is a scientist. nothing happens to him. He asks his question, we hear cookies answer, end transaction. > Cookies is a bus driver, targeted by the vig. If he gets a 3 for Cookies’ action but 1 for Squidio (the imaginary vig), he would see cookies walk in, ask the question, and move on. If he gets a 4 for cookies but a 2 for Squidio, he’d see a man walk in, say something, and attack Cookies. If he got a 4 and a 3, he’d walk in and see Cookies’ dead body. > > Also, every person would have a voice assigned to them. Say…three different boys’ and girls’ voices. Each person he itneracts with, we hear their voice. This means that we can eliminiate options for people. > It’s a cooler role, but it could go to a less experineced person. I like it. Note that originally I was planning on shuffling around the roles to give JC to an experienced player, back when he could ask multiple questions, but without secrets. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1599 "2008-10-27T04:10:34Z")
Ahhh… now it makes sense for me. I was approaching the game as being fully open. I hadn’t considered the gameplot expanding the role. Sorry if I misused it, pede. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2008, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/1600 "2008-10-27T06:57:58Z")
I, for one, credit **storyteller** for the town’s win. We might have figured it out, by ourselves, but, ultimately he spotted our best path (and still got lynched, even by proxy, for doing it). And, like he’d tell you: if you’re a pro-town vig: wait for the best moment to kill at Night. Even in this game, I jumped the gun, but it was not as detrimental as it could have been. GO TOWN! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=79) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699.md?page=81)