# Mafia--T2: Behind the Scenes

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**Created:** [September 2, 2008, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699 "2008-09-02T17:07:22Z")\
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**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-t2-behind-the-scenes/461699/293 "2008-09-07T16:22:44Z")

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> [@Stoidela, just go away, OK?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stoidela-just-go-away-ok/47836/36):
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> To **peeker** : information, particularly about the aims and abilities of the scum, is _always_ of value in this game. If both **NAF** and **Rysto** turn out to be Town, then we may be somewhat (not entirely) confident that there _are_ no scum quirks, and that we know everything there is to know about the scum’s powers and abilities. If you’ll think back on how uncertain the existence of hidden powers made us all in Conspiracy, you’ll realize why that’s valuable.
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> On the other hand, if we discover along the way somehow that the Jester (for instance) has a quirk not evident in his role PM - I have no idea how we might discover this, but we have - NAF is already on record as saying there is not. We would then have a good indication that he lied about his previous role (not definitive, because hypothetically pedescribe might have changed the PMs before he sent them, but good).
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> Most importantly, there is no anti-Town danger to revealing this information for those who were past-life scum; a net increase in the information we have at no substantive risk is of value.

\<Snipped\> I’ll try to do better job of indicating when I truncate someone else’s posts. Normally pretty good about this but this time not so much.

And I agree that there is no anti town danger in such acquisition. Just saying that any pre set bullshit don’t have a lot to do with post set bullshit. I mean if someone had a quirk that say, they had to post in Esparanto, pre set and they don’t get that same quirk post set and then someone starts posting in Esparanto it could be conclusive. But if that player was a townie role before and a scummy one now sure the new Esparanto poster is identified to the scum. You think that they are going to be truthful about that knowledge?

I understand that knowledge is the town’s weakness and therefore its attainment should be paramount just saying that any comments about pre set could be full of crud. And to base a decision on crud don’t seem to make a lot of townie sense.

I mean I was a scienist (sic) previously. If I am lying or telling the truth makes no difference post set. As you observe, who’s to say that the “quirks” wouldn’t be changed or shuffled. In which case we reach erroneous conclusions based on a false premise. Playing it straight up post set seems to be the most conservative.

Yikes, I am even confusing myself.

And I still want to know why **Rysto** lied about his first PM.

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