# MAFIA: The Game - Ideal for Beginners \[Game in Progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [July 14, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099 "2015-07-14T00:45:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/301 "2015-07-21T19:54:36Z")
> [@Dante\_G](#): > > In my past experiences, Day 1 votes almost always went no where. We very rarely lynched on Day 1, its just how we played. Day 1 votes were more or less filler talk and a means for players to check in and prove that they were present and playing the game. Real game strategy and evidence didn’t usually start being prevalent until after Night 1. > > My reasoning behind a Vote for “no reason” was, like I said, a way to instigate chatter amongst the players. The “no reason” aspect meant that I had no evidence for or against the votee. This makes no sense to me. Do you mean that you didn’t lynch **scum** on Day One or you didn’t lynch anyone at all? If nobody said anything substantive on Day One, then what was there to talk about on Day Two (barring the use of some interesting power during the Night?). Players on this board rarely find scum on the first Day, either, but you have to start somewhere. Just posting filler is essentially giving the scum a free kill. And again: how is voting for “no reason” supposed to “instigate chatter”? What is there to chatter about other than “Wow, **Dante** just voted for someone for no reason”? Finding a _reason_ to vote for someone, even if it is weak, as it almost certainly will be on Day One, allows that reason to be discussed and keeps the conversation going. Just voting without justification serves no purpose (unless of course you are scum). ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/302 "2015-07-21T19:56:39Z")
> [@Sario](#): > > (snip\_ > Speaking of conversation, ours currently seems to be dominated by **Plumpudding** , but much of what he’s saying seems to be contradictory. Interesting observation. Could you provide some examples? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/303 "2015-07-21T20:04:32Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > So, basically, in this game ordinary Townies should just vote for whoever they think is scummiest. > > [SNIP] > > BTW, I and others have been careful to use non-sexist language like “s/he” so far, but are there actually any women in this game? I would go so far as to say that ALL townies should vote for whoever they think is the scummiest. (And I wouldn’t mind if the wolves did this as well :rolleyes:) And I am a woman and prefer she, but am not bothered at all by being called he/him on the interwebs. ---
**Author:** ![Dante\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@Dante\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante_G)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/304 "2015-07-21T20:10:20Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > This makes no sense to me. Do you mean that you didn’t lynch **scum** on Day One or you didn’t lynch anyone at all? If nobody said anything substantive on Day One, then what was there to talk about on Day Two (barring the use of some interesting power during the Night?). Players on this board rarely find scum on the first Day, either, but you have to start somewhere. Just posting filler is essentially giving the scum a free kill. > > And again: how is voting for “no reason” supposed to “instigate chatter”? What is there to chatter about other than “Wow, **Dante** just voted for someone for no reason”? Finding a _reason_ to vote for someone, even if it is weak, as it almost certainly will be on Day One, allows that reason to be discussed and keeps the conversation going. Just voting without justification serves no purpose (unless of course you are scum). We very rarely lynched anyone on Day 1. I understand how that would basically set up Scum to get a free easy kill on Night 1, but its just the way I was introduced to the game. Sometimes we lynched someone on day one, other times not. In regards to your second question of why vote for someone for “no reason” - why are you calling _ **me** _ out on this? Does anyone in this game have ANY reason to suspect anyone else? Aside from the Scum team knowing whom each other are, nobody else in the game can really have a suspect at this time, so just about everyone’s vote at this time will be for “no reason.” It can start conversation amongst us by maybe the votee getting defensive and countering votes and in the process bring about more discussion. This may, in turn, bring about meaningful discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/305 "2015-07-21T20:46:43Z")
> [@Sario](#): > > My vote for you was a radom Day One vote to try and spark off some conversation. As the conversation seems to be going good now, and I have no specific reason to suspect you I will **Unvote Thing Fish**. > > Speaking of conversation, ours currently seems to be dominated by **Plumpudding** , but much of what he’s saying seems to be contradictory. I’d like to see where I contradict myself. I’m certain I have at some point. Saying I’m dominating the conversation seems a bit of a stretch to me, and atleast I’ve provided all of you with my thoughts and opinions. If you want to discuss my role in the discussion so far, I’m happy with that, as discussion about something or someone is better than no discussion at all. All in all, if people feel they have reasons to suspect me I’d like to see those reasons. > [@Dante\_G](#): > > [Snip] > In regards to your second question of why vote for someone for “no reason” - why are you calling _ **me** _ out on this? Does anyone in this game have ANY reason to suspect anyone else? Aside from the Scum team knowing whom each other are, nobody else in the game can really have a suspect at this time, so just about everyone’s vote at this time will be for “no reason.” It can start conversation amongst us by maybe the votee getting defensive and countering votes and in the process bring about more discussion. This may, in turn, bring about meaningful discussion. We have a discussion around potential suspects already. Of course we have almost nothing to go after, but still more than “just because”, or “the last player on the list”. You are one of the two who have voted for no reason at all and **Sario** already unvoted, so you are the only one to call out for doing that. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/306 "2015-07-21T20:49:22Z")
> [@Dante\_G](#): > > We very rarely lynched anyone on Day 1. I understand how that would basically set up Scum to get a free easy kill on Night 1, but its just the way I was introduced to the game. Sometimes we lynched someone on day one, other times not. > > In regards to your second question of why vote for someone for “no reason” - why are you calling _ **me** _ out on this? Does anyone in this game have ANY reason to suspect anyone else? Aside from the Scum team knowing whom each other are, nobody else in the game can really have a suspect at this time, so just about everyone’s vote at this time will be for “no reason.” It can start conversation amongst us by maybe the votee getting defensive and countering votes and in the process bring about more discussion. This may, in turn, bring about meaningful discussion. I’m calling you out on this because you are the\* only \*person currently voting for “no reason”! Everyone else who has voted has given a REASON which can be discussed. If you haven’t noticed this, maybe you haven’t been reading the thread very carefully… If **Sangfroid** had voted for you in retaliation, what would there have been to discuss about that? And how could he possibly have “gotten defensive” when you didn’t give him any charges to defend himself against? I just don’t see how this could possibly lead to anything helpful. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/307 "2015-07-21T21:02:02Z")
> [@Dante\_G](#): > > We very rarely lynched anyone on Day 1. I understand how that would basically set up Scum to get a free easy kill on Night 1, but its just the way I was introduced to the game. Sometimes we lynched someone on day one, other times not. > > In regards to your second question of why vote for someone for “no reason” - why are you calling _ **me** _ out on this? Does anyone in this game have ANY reason to suspect anyone else? Aside from the Scum team knowing whom each other are, nobody else in the game can really have a suspect at this time, so just about everyone’s vote at this time will be for “no reason.” It can start conversation amongst us by maybe the votee getting defensive and countering votes and in the process bring about more discussion. This may, in turn, bring about meaningful discussion. I mean, if you think my post on Chronos, for example, was valueless, by all means say so. Or Plumpuddings posts. Or Thing Fish. Or Chronos. Or the many other people posting substantial reasoning. I don’t get why you’re dismissing all attempts to ply this game. I think you vastly underestimate how useful Day 1 can be, quite possilby because you are used to day one lasting 48 hours.On my main mafia board, someone went back and counted up lynches from day one of games, and we were collectively hitting scum around 45% of the time, IIRC. Lynching at random only yields about 25%, so that’s a good sign that day one is far from meaningless or random. ---
**Author:** ![Dante\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@Dante\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante_G)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/308 "2015-07-21T21:12:00Z")
Alright Thing Fish. I’ll relent, as it seems that unless I Unvote Sangfroid or offer up a justifiable reason as to why I voted for him - which, its already been established, I have none - then I am destined to be considered scummy. **Unvote Sangfroid** I will now cast a vote for Chronos on the basis that your guys’ votes do seem to have some sort of merit to them. More so than my initial vote for Sangfroid anyway. **Vote Chronos** ---
**Author:** ![Dante\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@Dante\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante_G)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/309 "2015-07-21T21:21:30Z")
By the way, I want to apologize to all you guys. I came into this game stuck in my old ways of playing and I have been questioning why you guys play the way you play. I shouldn’t do that. This forum has been established on its own set of rules and ways of playing the game and its not right for me to try and play my way that is slightly different and hope that it wouldn’t be questioned or deem itself suspect. ---
**Author:** ![sangfroid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@sangfroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangfroid)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/310 "2015-07-21T21:44:57Z")
Dinnertime at the no-longer-stylish but aging reasonably well _Cecilton Inne_, and there’s an animated conversation going on at the bar about just what that extra “e” is all about in the name of this place. While dinner simmers in the back, the talk turns from letters to numbers. _Something_ just doesn’t add up around here… Just checking in before dinner; got a question to post a little later about the game mechanics here. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/311 "2015-07-21T21:55:25Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > I’m pleased that Chronos ended up as #3, as I’m already unhappy with him for several reasons. Proposing manipulating votes and gaming the mod for dubious benefits, for one thing. Misrepping my posts and ignoring me calling him out for it is another. And now vote #3 on what looked at the time like an easy bandwagon? > > Vote Chronos Oh, come on. The whole “third on the wagon” thing is years old. Nobody even mentinos that bad boy anymore. 😃 Seriously, though, I think Chronos is more likely Town. If any window is even slightly open for him to analyze the game in a different way, he does. This games tie-breaking rule is about the only thing unique or new, so he analyzed it. Misrepping your posts and ignoring you? That is the only valid point in your vote at this point. Now, forgive my ignorance, but what did he misrepresent? I don’t think I’ve skimmed at all, but I may not have noticed what you did. > [@sachertorte](#): > > Hi. > > A couple of you have wandered into the Forbidden Thread. Please don’t do that. > > (Note for Future Forbidden Threads: We should probably start the thread title with “Forbidden” and bury the word ‘mafia’ deeper in the thread title) I learned this years ago with one of my old games. Maybe ask the moderator to change the title for us? > [@Dante\_G](#): > > We very rarely lynched anyone on Day 1. I understand how that would basically set up Scum to get a free easy kill on Night 1, but its just the way I was introduced to the game. Sometimes we lynched someone on day one, other times not. It’s cool, but we always lynch on Day 1. I’m sure someone will find a game where we didn’t, but it’s so rare I feel comfortable using the word “always”. It’s a thing we do. > [@Dante\_G](#): > > By the way, I want to apologize to all you guys. I came into this game stuck in my old ways of playing and I have been questioning why you guys play the way you play. I shouldn’t do that. > . Nah, question away. It’s cool. Hey, vote no lynch if you care enough about it. I’m one of the few who has supported “lynch the lurker”, though we have to give people time to pop in. Day 1 is a total guess, so we could hit or miss with a lurker vote. It’s quite unpopular here, though, so I’m guessing people won’t get on board. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/312 "2015-07-21T22:21:09Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Oh, come on. The whole “third on the wagon” thing is years old. Nobody even mentinos that bad boy anymore. 😃 Exactly! Once people stop thinking about it, that’s when it gets reliable again! > [@](#): > > Seriously, though, I think Chronos is more likely Town. If any window is even slightly open for him to analyze the game in a different way, he does. This games tie-breaking rule is about the only thing unique or new, so he analyzed it. > > Misrepping your posts and ignoring you? That is the only valid point in your vote at this point. Now, forgive my ignorance, but what did he misrepresent? I don’t think I’ve ski Here: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18528722&postcount=110](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18528722&postcount=110) ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/313 "2015-07-21T22:29:31Z")
Let me see if I have this straight: we lynch on Day One because the only way Town can tell who’s Scum is by tracking the votes (and the accompanying dialogue), and it is better to do this while there is still a large supernumerary of Town over Scum. Is this correct? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/314 "2015-07-21T22:47:44Z")
OK, wow, so a lot has happened since I last checked in. First of all: > [@](#): > > [Quoth **Dante G**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18534497&postcount=248): > > As for my post that was so cryptic and telling, all I can say is that I basically chattered too much. Didn’t really pay attention to every thing that I was saying and ended up saying something stupid. My mistake. Was just trying to be vocal. So, your explanation for _not_ tipping your hand is that you were just trying to be vocal? That makes no sense whatsoever. And meanwhile, you also wonder about people voting for you for being inactive (so far as I can tell, nobody has given that as a reason for voting for you), while also trying to explain your behavior as coming from a culture where Days are shorter (which should make you more active, not less). All I’m getting from you is a mess of contradictions. My vote stays. Now, to address the votes on me: > [@](#): > > [Quoth **Thing Fish**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18534388&postcount=240): > > This strikes me as very weird and potentially scummy. Wouldn’t it make more sense for the First Mason (and, to a slightly lesser extent, the other Masons?) to just try to avoid being involved in tie votes? Sure, we would have to wait until the Masons are confirmed one way or the other to get information from such votes, but that seems far preferable to having a power role out him/herself on Day One. I’m having a hard time viewing that suggestion, even with the hedge of not being “convinced”, as plausibly having a pro-Town motivation. > > vote Chronos In order for the Masons in general, and the First Mason in particular, to avoid ties, they’d need to either anticipate where the ties are going to be before they get close (which is quite difficult), or they’d need to change their votes once it does become close. Either of these would, I think, be so obvious that at that point, they might as well just go ahead and claim. And when I say that I’m not sure whether the First Mason ought to just declare right out of the gate, I really do mean that I’m not sure: I can see advantages and disadvantages, and I don’t know which is greater. > [@](#): > > [Quoth **JSexton**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/report.php?p=18535984): > > I’m pleased that Chronos ended up as #3, as I’m already unhappy with him for several reasons. Proposing manipulating votes and gaming the mod for dubious benefits, for one thing. Misrepping my posts and ignoring me calling him out for it is another. And now vote #3 on what looked at the time like an easy bandwagon? > > Vote Chronos I don’t think I took your quote out of context. You said that my method depended upon something that it does not depend on. If we had a tie that the First Mason was not involved in, it would hurt Scum. That is my claim. You said that this depended on them acting in a particular way. This is not true, since it would hurt them even if they didn’t act in that way. They could certainly decrease the damage it did them, but they couldn’t eliminate it. And even if I’d prefer to damage the Scum a lot, I’ll still settle for damaging them a little, whenever I can. > [@](#): > > [Quoth **Dante G**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/report.php?p=18536991): > > I will now cast a vote for Chronos on the basis that your guys’ votes do seem to have some sort of merit to them. More so than my initial vote for Sangfroid anyway. > > Vote Chronos I’m not sure this really warrants any response, as **Dante G** gives no reason of his own for voting me. It makes sense as a defensive vote, but that doesn’t leave much to discuss. And coincidentally, this means that, by my count, I’m currently in a tie for the lead (albeit with nearly a week to go before deadline). Oddly enough… I’m OK with that, so long as First Mason stays out of it. I’ve already said that the information gained from a tie is worth it, and it would be hypocritical for me to change my tune just because it’s my neck in the noose. I mean, OK, I’d prefer it wasn’t, but… ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/315 "2015-07-21T23:18:33Z")
Some other boards have Games with four competing factions where it isn’t even clear which factions are “good” and which are “evil” – even “Townies” keep their alignment secret in such games. Dante G’s opening comment may be made in a context he’s more used to. I’d call this a (very?) slight Town tell – if he were Scum he’d be more likely to be focused on _this_ game. > [@Nonsuch](#): > > … I will allow this: Chronos took control of the discussion almost immediately, making some very forceful pro-Town arguments, and while I think they’re not workable in the end, he obviously knows his shit. He’s as safe a Town call as I can probably make now, so I’m not voting Chronos. Yet he’s also a player with the experience and skill to pull off a Scum Jedi Mind Trick on that scale. So … yeah. We’ll see. 🙂 I’ve seen **Chronos** play as Scum and he’ll post much as he’s done in this game. The fact that he’s take-charge, posting pro-Town(?) advice is a null tell, IMO. > [@Chronos](#): > > [my underlining] The tiebreaking rule does us no good unless the First Mason is abstaining from the vote, since if he’s on one of the sides, then the only information gained by anyone is a hint as to who he is, not to who any of the Wolves are. So we shouldn’t go out of our way to engineer ties until and unless the First Mason is declared. It might possibly be worthwhile for First to declare on Day 1 just so we can do this, but I’m not at all convinced of that. > > Oh, and just to start off, > **Vote Dante G[/color]** > pending an explanation for just what he meant by “not trying to tip my hand in favor of any side just yet”. If he gives a reasonable explanation for what he meant by that, I will unvote him. If he doesn’t give an explanation, or gives an explanation that doesn’t seem reasonable to me, my vote will remain until and unless I see a better candidate. This advice is not pro-Town: it’s bad advice. Masons will know whether First Mason broke a tie or not, so there’s no need for First Mason to “abstain.” And for First Mason to claim Day 1 would be extremely bad. Yes, Chronos takes care to disclaim his own advice, but the suggestion is thrown out there and _a Mason with no private board may be induced to blunder_. (Mis-)Thinking out loud? Or Scum ploy? The second underlined excerpt, disclaiming his vote, is also consistent with Scum behavior. Since the #3 vote slot is already taken … :rolleyes: I am free to **Vote Chronos** He may not be 45% to be Scum – JSexton’s amazing standard – but he seems at least 43% or so. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Dante\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@Dante\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante_G)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/316 "2015-07-21T23:53:50Z")
Yeah, see I’m really not used to strategy being a key factor in Day1. The votes on first day were more of a filler. A way for players to check in and acknowledge that yes, they were playing. It was always somewhat of an unwritten rule that we didn’t lynch on Day 1. It was our way of being fair. Sure it gave Scum an almost guaranteed kill on Night 1, but it also allowed for all Town players that had some kind of ability to be able to use that ability and hopefully have it be useful should they survive the night. This is why I was flustered when I was being pushed so hard to explain my votes on this Day 1. I’m not used to it. ---
**Author:** ![Dante\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@Dante\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante_G)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2015, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/317 "2015-07-21T23:56:43Z")
Again, that’s how the group that I played with always worked. Not saying it’s right, jjust saying it’swwhat I am used to, so please just bear with me. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/318 "2015-07-22T00:14:00Z")
> [@Dante\_G](#): > > Alright Thing Fish. I’ll relent, as it seems that unless I Unvote Sangfroid or offer up a justifiable reason as to why I voted for him - which, its already been established, I have none - then I am destined to be considered scummy. > > **Unvote Sangfroid** > > I will now cast a vote for Chronos on the basis that your guys’ votes do seem to have some sort of merit to them. More so than my initial vote for Sangfroid anyway. > > **Vote Chronos** I think the reason you’ve gotten some heat is because you still haven’t contributed to the discussion. You have seventeen posts either making excuses for blundering, talking meta about another board, or voting without giving any reason(you still haven’t, btw). If you made some contribution to the topics at hand, maybe you wouldn’t feel the need to make excuses. > [@Dante\_G](#): > > By the way, I want to apologize to all you guys. I came into this game stuck in my old ways of playing and I have been questioning why you guys play the way you play. I shouldn’t do that. > > This forum has been established on its own set of rules and ways of playing the game and its not right for me to try and play my way that is slightly different and hope that it wouldn’t be questioned or deem itself suspect. Many of us are new here, or new to the game. No reason to apologize. New environments takes time to get used to. Hopefully we’ll all learn a thing or two. I’m looking forward to see what you think of the topics at hand, if you feel more in a sharing mood now than earlier in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/319 "2015-07-22T00:20:51Z")
> [@Dante\_G](#): > > This is why I was flustered when I was being pushed so hard to explain my votes on this Day 1. I’m not used to it. Again, it’s cool. Day 1 is a guess. I am not swayed by Jsexton or any other vote on Chronos. I think Chronos is an easy target due to his discussion and analysis of the vote tiebreaker. So easy, I’m moving my vote over to Jsexton. It’s a combination of his push to lynch Chronos and a vibe. Vibe is not a popular reason to vote, but I’m going to anyway. I do agree that I would rather play mafia than obsess on the tie-break, but I think it was town-like to introduce the discussion. **unvote** **vote jsexton** ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/320 "2015-07-22T00:24:08Z")
> [@](#): > > Quoth **septimus** : > > I’ve seen Chronos play as Scum and he’ll post much as he’s done in this game. The fact that he’s take-charge, posting pro-Town(?) advice is a null tell, IMO. I maybe shouldn’t be saying this right now, but yes, this is true. When I’m Town, I try to give the best advice I can, because I want Town to be well-advised, and when I’m Scum, I still try to give the best advice I can, because I know I’d stand out if I don’t. Though it’s been hugely amusing, those times I have been Scum, whenever anyone says they have a Town lead on me because I’m posting pro-Town stuff. And your vote for me appears to be for basically the same reason as **Thing Fish** ’s, right? I refer you to the defense I posted for his. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099.md?page=17)