# MAFIA: The Game - Ideal for Beginners \[Game in Progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [July 14, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099 "2015-07-14T00:45:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/581 "2015-07-27T02:11:19Z")
**Septimus** , I also was leaning to you being town because our two most likely wolf suspects ( **Dante G** and **TexCat** ) were voting for you. And you have been quite eloquent in your defense. Yet now **TexCat** has backed off, so I am of very mixed feelings. Reintroducing the voting plan still strikes me as possibly a scummy move that might in an stealthy way have guided more inexperienced wolf players. POSSIBLE SCUM INTERPRETATION: Do not worry. I got this covered. Follow my lead. Follow our lead. It even makes me suspect **Thing Fish** in my somwhat convoluted conspiracy theory. My apologies, **Thing Fish** if I am out of line. **TexCat** : You may be a bit ired by **Plumpudding** ’s attacks, but voting for someone in retaliation does not help town and in fact is actually harmful. If you have a real reason to suspect him of wolf, please explain. Otherwise, what are we to think? ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/582 "2015-07-27T02:29:46Z")
[Note to self: no more Mafia until the kids are away at college. Two kids with a combined age of six can really take up a weekend.] [Second note to self: no more Mafia until you have a job that doesn’t require responding to IT security emergencies. Telling the boss to hold tight on the massive malware infection while I play online games is not conducive to a long and happy career.] > [@Mahaloth](#): > > I believe septimus. No huge reason why, but I do. > And if he has me fooled, good for him. I think septimus is Town. I also think **septimus** is town. I could go back through the whole thread and find posts of his that made me feel one way or another, but I started to think he was a townie during the debate over the tie mechanism, and I haven’t been moved strongly otherwise since then. Confirmation bias perhaps. But based on some of his posts way back around the mid 200’s, I started to feel fairly comfortable he was a townie. It looks like it’s currently a race between **septimus** and **TexCat**. I don’t have a strong read one way or the other on **TexCat** yet. My vote stays on **JSexton**. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/583 "2015-07-27T02:39:11Z")
A bit ired is understating it by quite a lot. I do remain convinced that Septimus is scum, but don’t want to go through another Day of Plumpudding’s lies and inuendos with no one taking my side. Does no one else see how he’s lied and mischaracterized all of my posts??? I originally thought he was misguided town, but he just refuses to back off or admit that he’s lying. I think I’ve pointed out more than once where he’s lied and misstated my posts, and yet not a single townie has said anything. But it just makes me more sure that Septimus is scum. I think Plumpudding’s ranting is designed to save Septimus. If it takes my mislynch for town to realize what’s going on, then so be it. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/584 "2015-07-27T02:45:11Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > **TexCat** : You may be a bit ired by **Plumpudding** ’s attacks, but voting for someone in retaliation does not help town and in fact is actually harmful. If you have a real reason to suspect him of wolf, please explain. Otherwise, what are we to think? > [@TexCat](#): > > [Snip] > I suspect that you are just an over-eager townie who is trying too hard to get his favorite suspect lynched, but you are not doing yourself or town any favors by all of this hyperbole, mischaracterization, and outright lies. So, apparently she believes I’m town, but voting me anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/585 "2015-07-27T02:47:24Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > A bit ired is understating it by quite a lot. > > I do remain convinced that Septimus is scum, but don’t want to go through another Day of Plumpudding’s lies and inuendos with no one taking my side. Does no one else see how he’s lied and mischaracterized all of my posts??? I originally thought he was misguided town, but he just refuses to back off or admit that he’s lying. I think I’ve pointed out more than once where he’s lied and misstated my posts, and yet not a single townie has said anything. > > But it just makes me more sure that Septimus is scum. I think Plumpudding’s ranting is designed to save Septimus. If it takes my mislynch for town to realize what’s going on, then so be it. I’m ranting just as much as **Septimus**. I’m leaning scum on him too and have said so many times. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/586 "2015-07-27T02:49:18Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > I’m ranting just as much \*\*at \*\ ***Septimus**. I’m leaning scum on him too and have said so many times. Sorry, wrote as instead of **at**. Bolded for emphasis. Edit: Okay, I miss-wrote my correction. I’m not gonna make yet another correction as a quote. Hope you guys understand. I’m out for tonight guys. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/587 "2015-07-27T03:01:19Z")
This turn of events bears some thought. **Texcat’s** vote-change (especially since away from the other main candidate) is more or less the same as a self-vote, since it further cements her own lynch. Self-voting is rarely a townie move and is more often a dramatic last resort to sway opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/588 "2015-07-27T03:11:29Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > A bit ired is understating it by quite a lot. > > I do remain convinced that Septimus is scum, but don’t want to go through another Day of Plumpudding’s lies and inuendos with no one taking my side. Does no one else see how he’s lied and mischaracterized all of my posts??? I originally thought he was misguided town, but he just refuses to back off or admit that he’s lying. I think I’ve pointed out more than once where he’s lied and misstated my posts, and yet not a single townie has said anything. > > But it just makes me more sure that Septimus is scum. I think Plumpudding’s ranting is designed to save Septimus. If it takes my mislynch for town to realize what’s going on, then so be it. **TexCat** : Several of us have voiced suspicion of **septimus**. If you are “convinced” he is scum, please tell us why. Your voting away from him makes his lynching less likely. Instead of throwing in the towel, why not tell us why you are “convinced,” which is a pretty strong word. Before you changed your vote all you would have needed was one other player to change— or even a vote from the uncommitted to bring us to a tie or lead to **septimus** actually being lynched. Few us us are “convinced” of anything at this time. Make your case. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/589 "2015-07-27T04:23:48Z")
Biotop, Johnny Bravo has already made a case, better than I could. See posts [393](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18541222&postcount=393), [460](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18545239&postcount=460), [531](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18548844#post18548844). I am convinced because I know that I am town and this does not look like a town v town lynch to me. Plum would not be persisting in his diatribes against me if he were not protecting a scum buddy. He has to get me lynched or lose Septimus. \*\*unvote Plum vote Septimus \*\* I’d rather lynch Plum, but will concede to town’s best interest. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/590 "2015-07-27T04:40:55Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Biotop, Johnny Bravo has already made a case, better than I could. See posts [393](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18541222&postcount=393), [460](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18545239&postcount=460), [531](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18548844#post18548844). > > I am convinced because I know that I am town and this does not look like a town v town lynch to me. Plum would not be persisting in his diatribes against me if he were not protecting a scum buddy. He has to get me lynched or lose Septimus. > > \*\*unvote Plum > vote Septimus \*\* > > I’d rather lynch Plum, but will concede to town’s best interest. Ah, another switch! If you answer \*all \*my questions, properly and substantially, without leaving out substantial context, without cherry picking from a much bigger post or train of thought, without misrepresenting my intentions and manage to convince me you’re town, I’ll unvote you. Until that happens, my vote will remain and I’ll continue to push on you. I am suspicious of **Septimus** and there are many posts of mine, going over several pages, where I have gone through why. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/591 "2015-07-27T04:48:40Z")
Like some others I haven’t been able to read the thread as thorougly as I would like. As I have said before, I found septimus’ behavior in the tiebreaker brouhaha quite pro-Town and Texcat’s not, so: \*\*unvote Sario vote TexCat[/B] ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/592 "2015-07-27T12:38:45Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > It looks like it’s currently a race between **septimus** and **TexCat**. I don’t have a strong read one way or the other on **TexCat** yet. My vote stays on **JSexton**. My thoughts exactly. Septimus vs. Texcat may just be town v. town and the scum are loving it. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/593 "2015-07-27T12:46:19Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > My thoughts exactly. Septimus vs. Texcat may just be town v. town and the scum are loving it. If **TexCat** turns out to be town, I am going to take a long look at those who have been very silent during this whole process. A long look. ---
**Author:** ![Dante\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/977dab/32.png) [@Dante\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante_G)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/594 "2015-07-27T13:15:37Z")
Personally I don’t think Texcat is Scum. I do think that her voting back and forth is not a scum sign as much as it is a sign of a player who’s getting caught up in the accusations against them. Some of the accusations have come across as harsh, so its understandable in a way. The case of Septimus being scum has been pointed out in many ways, so I’m staying with my vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/595 "2015-07-27T13:28:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Unless I miscounted, you did help that. By my count, **septimus** and **TexCat** were tied before your vote, and so you broke the tie. It looks like **TexCat** is currently ahead by 2, with **TexCat** 6, **septimus** 4, and **Dante** and **JSexton** each at 3. Sweet! Well, on my head be it, then. [QUOTE=Biotop] If TexCat turns out to be town, I am going to take a long look at those who have been very silent during this whole process. A long look. [/QUOTE] Yeah. I’m not sure that **Plumpudding** ’s late Day increase in aggression and hostility toward the leaders is helping us sort these things out, but for what it’s worth: I think most of us realize there’s at least a substantial chance that we could be facing a town vs. town lynch decision. Pointing out that this may be the case doesn’t help resolve the dilemma as much as lots of Town contributions about our best options would. I don’t really get what **TexCat** is doing, but if the vote currently stands at 6-4 right now, the outcome is being driven by a relatively tiny number of players. Which I think isn’t good. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/596 "2015-07-27T13:41:10Z")
I am undecided between the two leading candidates. Which of those proposed lynchings will give us the most information if the lynchee turns out to be town? Which will give us the most information if the lynchee turns out to be wolf? Should that even be a factor? ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/597 "2015-07-27T13:45:46Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > If **TexCat** turns out to be town, I am going to take a long look at those who have been very silent during this whole process. A long look. I agree. If she actually turns out to be town, I have really no idea for her motivations for playing as she has, and not necessarily the motivations some of my fellow voters either. Silent players not giving another reason than she being a lynch leader is not actually helping town here. Make your own cases, don’t just point to what other posters and say “those reasons and such”. At least try to add _something_. > [@Dante\_G](#): > > Personally I don’t think Texcat is Scum. I do think that her voting back and forth is not a scum sign as much as it is a sign of a player who’s getting caught up in the accusations against them. Some of the accusations have come across as harsh, so its understandable in a way. > > The case of Septimus being scum has been pointed out in many ways, so I’m staying with my vote for him. **YOU** have never pointed out why **YOU** believe \*\*Septimus \*\*to be scum. > [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > [Snip] > Yeah. I’m not sure that **Plumpudding** ’s late Day increase in aggression and hostility toward the leaders is helping us sort these things out, but for what it’s worth: I think most of us realize there’s at least a substantial chance that we could be facing a town vs. town lynch decision. Pointing out that this may be the case doesn’t help resolve the dilemma as much as lots of Town contributions about our best options would. > > I don’t really get what **TexCat** is doing, but if the vote currently stands at 6-4 right now, the outcome is being driven by a relatively tiny number of players. Which I think isn’t good. To be honest, I’m not sure myself. I believe it has, but I don’t know. I will state though, that she has become increasingly emotional in her posting, becoming more and more hysterical, while still failing to provide any kind of actual defense for herself. She isn’t becoming less suspicious in my mind, and heaping on her has prompted her to post even more posts that in my opinion is not helping her case at all. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/598 "2015-07-27T13:47:31Z")
Okay! A bit late in the day, but this kind of stuff is helpful to me. I added post numbers because I think vote counts are kind of worthless without them. I kept self-votes in their own statistical ghetto because I think they’re white noise if we let them clutter the primary record. **Texcat** (6): [del]Chronos (356/392)[/del], Chronos (437), Sangfroid (477), Plumpudding (480), Septimus (486), Prof. Pepperwinkle (562), Thing Fish (591) **Septimus** (4): Johnny Bravo (460), [del]Texcat (461/577)[/del], DiggitCamara (490), Dante G (535), Texcat (589) jsexton (3): [del]Mahaloth (319/434)[/del], Mahaloth (446), Cygnus42 (459), Bayard (471), [del]Prof. Pepperwinkle (479/512)[/del] **Dante G** (2): [del]Mahaloth (214/319)[/del], [del]DiggitCamara (216/406)[/del], [del]Chronos (229/356))[/del], [del]Jimmy Chitwood (371/562)[/del], Biotop (476), Nonsuch (565) **Sangfroid** (1): [del]Dante G (217/308)[/del], Precambrianmollusc (411) **Thing Fish** (1): Sario (222) **Chronos** (0): [del]Thing Fish (240/398)[/del], [del]Jsexton (280/346)[/del], [del]Dante G (308/399)[/del] [del]Septimus (315/391)[/del], [del]Sario (410/494)[/del] **Precambrianmollusc** (0): [del]Plumpudding (254/400)[/del] **Sario** (0): [del]Thing Fish (443/591)[/del] **Plumpudding** (0): [del]Texcat (577/589)[/del] SELF VOTES (storyteller rulechange announcement comes at #436) !Septimus (391/449) Chronos (392/437) \*!Biotop (394/403) \*Prof. Pepperwinkle (395/429) \*!Texcat (396/452) \*!Bayard (397/441) Thing Fish (398/443) !Dante G (399/451) !Plumpudding (400/450) \*Cygnus42 (401/459) DiggitCamara (406/490) Mahaloth (434/446) \*did not have a vote in play prior to self vote !did not move vote elsewhere during un-self-voting ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/599 "2015-07-27T14:03:43Z")
Clue me in, experienced players. Why would someone town\* not vote at all\*? Because it screams “WOLF” to me. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/600 "2015-07-27T14:13:25Z")
Are you talking about **Jsexton**? I think the vote count is wrong, **Johnny Bravo** forgot the **Jimmy Chitwood** ’s vote on **TexCat**. It does strike me as a bit weird, but maybe they’re holding back a bit longer for whatever reason. I also think it’s a bit weird so few are involved in the discussion this late in the day. Mod: Storyteller, could we please get a vote count? We now have several conflicting ones and it’s adding to the confusion, at least for me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099.md?page=31)