# MAFIA: The Game - Ideal for Beginners \[Game in Progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [July 14, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099 "2015-07-14T00:45:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Cygnus42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Cygnus42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cygnus42)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/621 "2015-07-27T15:24:34Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > A poster that early on came with very little substance, **then began opposing a plan that after some work became more or less guaranteed to work** , while avoiding to answer questions for several pages, then defending herself with histrionics and direct smudging, now trying to shift the blame over to her most vocal voter… that is scummy behaviour. Why would any town behave like that? Not an accusation against you…but the bolded part above is overstating things a bit. None of the various plans were ever ‘guaranteed’ to work. Maybe optimistically had a chance to be useful, but I don’t think you can say even ‘more or less guaranteed’. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/622 "2015-07-27T15:26:48Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Talk to me about this. I think we’re in the same boat - I’ve been going back and forth here, and I also don’t want to effectively waste a vote. I think not too long ago you thought **TexCat** was more likely than **septimus** to be scum, no? Yes, but that was somewhat because she was voting for **septimus**. Not that it implicated her more, but that would be two possible wolves (she and Dante G.) voting for another player. Seemed unbelievable that everyone involved was a wolf I just don’t see how bringing the tie vote thing back to life after it was obviously dead was helpful to town, and when it failed it would discredit all future tie voting, and further alienate any town players who were voting against the plan based on “spirit of the game.” But it sure could help wolves. And finally, I do not think town learns more for the long haul in lynching **TexCat** if they ate both innocent. And this is a game about information. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/623 "2015-07-27T15:29:01Z")
ate=are ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/624 "2015-07-27T15:34:49Z")
Assuming TexCat returns her vote to me, then by my count we are 6-6 with 25 minutes to go! Correct? TexCat (6 [5]) - Chronos, sangfroid, Plumpudding, septimus, Prof. Pepperwinkle, [del]Jimmy Chitwood[/del], Thing Fish septimus (6) - Johnny Bravo, TexCat, DiggitCamara, Sario, Dante G, Biotop JSexton (3)- Mahaloth, Cygnus42, Bayard, [del]Prof. Pepperwinkle[/del] Dante G (3) - [del]Mahaloth[/del], [del]DiggitCamara[/del], [del]Chronos[/del], JSexton, [del]Jimmy Chitwood[/del], [del]Biotop[/del], Nonsuch, Jimmy Chitwood Sangfroid (1) - [del]Dante G[/del], Precambrianmollusc Sario (0) - [del]Thing Fish[/del] Thing Fish (0) - [del]Sario[/del] Chronos (0) - [del]Thing Fish[/del], [del]JSexton[/del], [del]Dante G[/del], [del]septimus[/del], [del]Sario[/del] Precambrianmollusc (0) - [del]Plumpudding[/del] Plumpudding (0 [1]) - [del]TexCat[/del] I’m also beginning to worry we’re in a Town -vs- Town Lynch. I’ll move my vote to my #2 candidate, making the vote 6-5-4 (still assuming TexCat’s vote is on me; I’ll revote her without Dante momentum.): **Unvote TexCat** **Vote Dante G** ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/625 "2015-07-27T15:35:47Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Physician, heal thyself! I’m gonna be honest, **TexCat** ’s defense is starting to look more and more Towny (and this after I said a couple pages ago that the initial case is more important than the response to it, if anyone’s tracking hypocrisies) in the face of what seems to me to be pretty unreasonable doggedness on your part. I’m starting to feel like I fucked up. I just don’t have a good case against **septimus** , either. > > **Unvote Texcat > Vote Dario G** for now. > > Anybody want to come with me on that one, or convince me in a different direction? You ultimately decide your vote, but why do you feel I’m unreasonable? Do remember, I haven’t even gotten one answer, one, that I feel the slightest convincing. She already started smudging me with post [372](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18539499&postcount=372), calling me delusional. I even apologized with post [400](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18541739&postcount=400) and that post is still ignored, along with most of my posts after that. How do you feel she has contributed in a townie way? As I’ve stated many times already, I will change my vote if it becomes clear she is town. **Dante G** isn’t a bad day one vote in my opinion, I just think **TexCat** has herself to blame, town or not, because I don’t see much benefit for town in her posting. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/626 "2015-07-27T15:37:43Z")
> [@Cygnus42](#): > > Not an accusation against you…but the bolded part above is overstating things a bit. None of the various plans were ever ‘guaranteed’ to work. Maybe optimistically had a chance to be useful, but I don’t think you can say even ‘more or less guaranteed’. All right, fair enough. To me it became quite apparent, as long as everyone followed along a fairly set and boring voting path. Her arguments against it still doesn’t hold water though. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/627 "2015-07-27T15:42:00Z")
I’m not saying you are unreasonable. I think your _intensity_ is, perhaps. I do note that you haven’t gotten any answers that you find convincing, but I think that cuts both ways. “I will change my vote if it becomes clear she is town” is a good example of a statement which just seems to me to reflect that you view these things as very black and white, when at this point in the game I can barely distinguish shades of grey. At some point that level of certainty becomes troubling. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/628 "2015-07-27T15:45:32Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Assuming TexCat returns her vote to me, then by my count we are 6-6 with 25 minutes to go! Correct? > > TexCat (6 [5]) - Chronos, sangfroid, Plumpudding, septimus, Prof. Pepperwinkle, [del]Jimmy Chitwood[/del], Thing Fish > septimus (6) - Johnny Bravo, TexCat, DiggitCamara, Sario, Dante G, Biotop > JSexton (3)- Mahaloth, Cygnus42, Bayard, [del]Prof. Pepperwinkle[/del] > Dante G (3) - [del]Mahaloth[/del], [del]DiggitCamara[/del], [del]Chronos[/del], JSexton, [del]Jimmy Chitwood[/del], [del]Biotop[/del], Nonsuch, Jimmy Chitwood > Sangfroid (1) - [del]Dante G[/del], Precambrianmollusc > Sario (0) - [del]Thing Fish[/del] > Thing Fish (0) - [del]Sario[/del] > Chronos (0) - [del]Thing Fish[/del], [del]JSexton[/del], [del]Dante G[/del], [del]septimus[/del], [del]Sario[/del] > Precambrianmollusc (0) - [del]Plumpudding[/del] > Plumpudding (0 [1]) - [del]TexCat[/del] > > I’m also beginning to worry we’re in a Town -vs- Town Lynch. I’ll move my vote to my #2 candidate, making the vote 6-5-4 (still assuming TexCat’s vote is on me; I’ll revote her without Dante momentum.): > > **Unvote TexCat** > > **Vote Dante G** Am I correct in thinking this now makes a tie between TexCat and septimus? ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/629 "2015-07-27T15:45:50Z")
> [@Cygnus42](#): > > Not an accusation against you…but the bolded part above is overstating things a bit. None of the various plans were ever ‘guaranteed’ to work. Maybe optimistically had a chance to be useful, but I don’t think you can say even ‘more or less guaranteed’. My original plan was flawed in that it did not take into account those opposed to the plan because of “spirit if the game.” With the \*\*Chronos \*\* improvement it would have been quite effective…maybe even “guaranteed” barring the SOTG protest. That said, I now understand and believe the SOTG protests were honest and that is why the plans were unworkable. I am glad we hashed it out early before it had a chance to cause teal ill will later. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/630 "2015-07-27T15:48:12Z")
Am I correct that there’s only 12 minutes left in the Day? 😕 :eek: I’m having doubts that TexCat is Scum, but I know I’m Town, so will revote TexCat soon if we don’t get more Dante votes. I see Plumpudding as more of an earnest Townie than a Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/631 "2015-07-27T15:49:06Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > My thoughts exactly. Septimus vs. Texcat may just be town v. town and the scum are loving it. I’m leaning town for **TexCat**. I think **Plumpudding** has been pushing her hard (not without some justification), and she’s at a point now where being defensive just makes things worse on her. Like in the cop shows, when the cops are grilling the suspect, “Oh, so you _don’t_ love you mother, then?!” I’ve never found the case against her all that persuasive, though, and I think **Plumpudding** calling her hysterical and telling her to calm down and be rational is just fueling her anger (which _of course_ it would). Since I think the top vote-getters are both town, I don’t currently have a very good way to use my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/632 "2015-07-27T15:49:57Z")
Please, do not misread my intentions; I’m not certain of anything other than what has been posted in this thread. I’ve been quite forthcoming about that, and I’ve also been quite forthcoming of my view on a town-lynch day one. If you feel you have time, I think you should go back and read through some of my post once more. And I would implore you to change your vote, but you do as you choose, no stress. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/633 "2015-07-27T15:51:33Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Am I correct in thinking this now makes a tie between TexCat and septimus? That’s what it looks like to me. I don’t understand what Septimus is doing? \*\*unvote Plum vote Septimus \*\* ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/634 "2015-07-27T15:52:33Z")
Do we know what happens in case of a tie now? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/635 "2015-07-27T15:52:46Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Since I think the top vote-getters are both town, I don’t currently have a very good way to use my vote. By my count, you could vote Dante and make a 5-5-5 tie! Somebody, please tell me if my timnezone interpretation is correct: Is Day over in 7 minutes? ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/636 "2015-07-27T15:53:15Z")
No, I don’t think so. Storyteller hasn’t been back yet as far as I know. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/637 "2015-07-27T15:53:57Z")
**Unvote Dante G** **Vote TexCat** ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/638 "2015-07-27T15:54:19Z")
**Septimus** I wrote storyteller a PM about it, but haven’t gotten any answers. I think you are correct. ---
**Author:** ![Cygnus42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Cygnus42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cygnus42)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/639 "2015-07-27T15:55:04Z")
Man…this is suddenly tough. I think this is a risk…could be wrong about TexCat, or septimus, or both. But, going on gut feel, and that the JSexton vote is meaningless at this point. **unvote JSexton** **vote septimus** ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2015, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/640 "2015-07-27T15:57:42Z")
The vote is 6-6 by my count. With less than three minutes left. Confirm? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099.md?page=33)