# MAFIA: The Game - Ideal for Beginners \[Game in Progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [July 14, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099 "2015-07-14T00:45:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1121 "2015-08-13T00:34:18Z")
Methane should be metagame , although methane and bullshit could be interchangeable. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1122 "2015-08-13T00:43:18Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > At the risk of lynching plumpudding for methane reasons , plumpudding has just quoted storytellers post where he gave the vanilla role , because it says “originally posted by story” > If he had cut and pasted from his role pm , would it say that? > So thing fish reasoning seams sound, prolly be voting plum , but diggit c is high up there on list I just tried it with my PM, and on preview, it looks like the heading is identical to Plum’s. [QUOTE=storyteller0910] **Welcome to the Game; you are a Villager** [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1123 "2015-08-13T00:49:20Z")
Ok well that confirms my methane reasoning is indeed methane . Couldn’t test from tapatalk . ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1124 "2015-08-13T01:13:51Z")
Plum defends JSexton: > [@Plumpudding](#): > > I’m actually a bit surprised at the case against **Jsexton**. Could anyone provide me with a few thoughts more on why he apparently seem so suspicious? > [@Plumpudding](#): > > Yes, I agree. It either betrays the poster, **Prof. Pepperwinkle** , as set in his idea of you as scum against reason or logic, or him as taunting you… Or something? It does not betray a rationale behind the opinion. > This also doesn’t say much. > > And to **Nonsuch** ’s defense, **Jsexton** , he may not have been the most active, but I remember at least a few posts earlier with some substance out of seventeen, while **Prof. Pepperwinkle** has had twenty tries and not provided us with anything useful so far. My first vote, **Precambrianmollusc haven’t posted anything with substance at all, and managed to confuse people at the same time, and no one seems to be calling him out on anything. Johnny Bravo** is barely noticed. > [@Plumpudding](#): > > Oh, Mahaloth, do you still have your vote on **JSexton** , **Mahaloth**? I don’t think it’s a great use of a vote, with all the other candidates out there. Could you be persuaded to forgo your vibe-tingle for another candidate? JSexton defends Plum. What’s notable is that JSexton doesn’t really defend Plum, but just says he doesn’t want to lynch him now. Hedging his bets for if/when Plum flipped scum? > [@JSexton](#): > > I carefully read your analysis of Plumpudding since he’s been tingling my scumdar as well. It’s a little odd to me that one of the big issues you have with him is that he doesn’t mind sacrificing townies for the greater good, but your own reponse here is based on “if he’s town it’s no big loss to lynch him”. Kind of a strange tack from you. > > Other than that, I defintiely agree that Plum’s action aren’t particularly pro-town. I can’t tell whether they’re coming from a scum mindset or just from a wildly different playstyle. I’m not really interested in lynching him toDay, but toMorrow I’d like to revisit what he’s been up to, with knowledge gained from a couple more bodies. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1125 "2015-08-13T02:33:02Z")
Nice work,\*\* TexCat!\*\* I hadn’t even noticed the first or last of those! OR, **JSexton’s** post #859! > [@J\*\*Sexton\*\*](#): > > Here’s what I know: I lean town on him, but not strongly. The only way to figure out his alignment is if he posts. Yes, I think he’s been more distracting then helpful, but that doesn’t mean I don’t want him to post. I want everyone to post! Post thoughts, opinions, and votes. He must be Town, he wants everyone to post!! ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1126 "2015-08-13T03:06:25Z")
Well OK then, I’m going to claim too! > [@](#): > > originally posted by **storyteller0910 > Welcome to the Game; you are the Alpha Wolf** > Alignment: WEREWOLF > Powers: Godfather > > You are the big boss of the Werewolf world; you’d definitely have the corner office if this lousy little town could afford offices. Or corners. As Alpha, you cast the deciding vote if the Wolves are unable to reach a consensus on the ideal target for killing each Night. You also have a second, very important, quality: you’ve spent a long time among the humans, and can impersonate them with more skill than the average Wolf. The Seer will be unable to identify you as a Werewolf if (s)he investigates you by Night. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1127 "2015-08-13T03:07:31Z")
Oh, wait, not that one… > [@](#): > > Originally posted by **storyteller0910** > Welcome to the Game; you are the (First / Second / Third) Mason > Alignment: TOWN > Powers: Mason > > You are part of an ancient secret society dating back to at least last Tuesday. To date, your conspiratorial machinations have mostly revolved around beer, consumption of, but desperate times call for desperate collaborations. You have no particular abilities relevant to the current situation, but you do know that X and X – your fellow Masons – are not Werewolves and can be trusted. Unfortunately, you are unable to hold your nightly meetings at the moment, on account of man-beasts patrolling the darkness, so you’ll have to settle for surreptitious cooperation. Good luck! This is fun!😃 ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1128 "2015-08-13T15:51:49Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > At the risk of lynching plumpudding for methane reasons , plumpudding has just quoted storytellers post where he gave the vanilla role , because it says “originally posted by story” > If he had cut and pasted from his role pm , would it say that? > So thing fish reasoning seams sound, prolly be voting plum , but diggit c is high up there on list Go to your inbox, check you pm from story and look at the quick reply box. In it there is a quote you can copy and paste. **Thing Fish** seems to be thinking I pushed for **TexCat** to avert attention from **JSexton** , mid-day without \*\*JSexton \*\*actually being under a lot of heat. He also believes I’ve been sending “sexist code words” without explaining whoever those would be for or why I would do that. I will reply to **Thing Fish** ’s post directly, but I do not have time at the moment. He seems pretty certain of himself and his own case, though. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1129 "2015-08-13T15:55:32Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > At the risk of being paranoid is it possible bayard is pulling an elaborate balls out scum fake claim? We could wait for tomorrow to lynch jsexton when bayard turns up dead . If bayard doesn’t turn up dead , it could be scum fucking with us, but that does give bayard another night investigation , so they would be the ballsiest scum ever if they tried that. > The downside , it leaves jsexton alive to plot with his scum buddies tonight , and given he is an experienced player that may not be a great idea. > Anyway something to ponder , or not. Might keep conversation going today , an early reveal of the result does allow scum to keep quite all day. If this is a scumtastic full scrotes out plan , not sure what the real seers plan should be, keep quite and counter tomorrow I would think? I don’t want to go against the general voting direction just to be ornery. It’s just that this is truly and really the scummiest post I have ever seen in response to a “Seer”'s revelation. So I’ll have to **Vote Precambrianmollusc** Like I promised yesterDay. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1130 "2015-08-13T17:00:33Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > I will reply to **Thing Fish** ’s post directly, but I do not have time at the moment. He seems pretty certain of himself and his own case, though. It pains me to have to say that I won’t have the pleasure of a prolonged dialogue with you, as I’m going camping this weekend. I may be around a bit tonight and then probably not until Sunday evening (US). But I will certainly respond to any of your points that anyone other than you thinks deserving of a response then. Whether I am certain of myself is between me and my therapist. I’m never certain of anything in this game (sorry again, **Dante** ). I do really like this case, though. I hope others will express their opinions soon…I’m not happy that there have been only 25 posts in the first day of the Day, and that five players haven’t posted at all. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1131 "2015-08-13T17:27:45Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > I don’t want to go against the general voting direction just to be ornery. It’s just that this is truly and really the scummiest post I have ever seen in response to a “Seer”'s revelation. So I’ll have to > > **Vote Precambrianmollusc** > > Like I promised yesterDay. It’s certainly an unusual idea, but I don’t see a scum motivation. How would it have hurt Town if we had lynched someone else yesterDay and kept **JSexton** in our collective hip pocket? Tomorrow, we would be in exactly the same place that we actually will be, having lynched one Seer-confirmed scum and one town-suspected unknown in two days. Given how much participation in the thread has fallen off since **Bayard’s** claim, I certainly think that his concern about scum being able to keep quiet was reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1132 "2015-08-13T17:59:37Z")
I don’t see a scum motivation for that post, either. “Scummiest post ever” is right out. **precambrian** has been pretty consistent with proposing stuff that he admits sounds borderline-nutty. He even had his methane contribution today (which I actually liked a lot when I thought it was methane intentionally). I’m not sure how it would have helped the wolves to stick his own neck out like that, whether we’d listened to him or not. The exact scenario he spelled out would be what happened. Why would it be useful for him to point out the _possibility_ in an uncertain way, when he was in a position to know whether that’s what would happen, and that way wouldn’t even be good for his team? At any rate, **Diggit** is on record. **Tex** and **Thing Fish** are on record. I think **Thing Fish** did make a pretty good case, but I really don’t like **Diggit** ’s response here today, and he was high on my list already. I’m going to make it official and **vote DiggitCamara** ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1133 "2015-08-13T18:09:26Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > It pains me to have to say that I won’t have the pleasure of a prolonged dialogue with you, as I’m going camping this weekend. I may be around a bit tonight and then probably not until Sunday evening (US). So we will probably not have that prolonged discussion, then. > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > But I will certainly respond to any of your points that anyone other than you thinks deserving of a response then. Haha, alright. I’ll try to do my best. > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Whether I am certain of myself is between me and my therapist. I’m never certain of anything in this game (sorry again, **Dante** ). I do really like this case, though. I hope others will express their opinions soon…I’m not happy that there have been only 25 posts in the first day of the Day, and that five players haven’t posted at all. No stress, although I hope I can change your opinion. And as always, I hope more people will express their opinions. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1134 "2015-08-13T18:47:02Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > It’s certainly an unusual idea, but I don’t see a scum motivation. How would it have hurt Town if we had lynched someone else yesterDay and kept **JSexton** in our collective hip pocket? Tomorrow, we would be in exactly the same place that we actually will be, having lynched one Seer-confirmed scum and one town-suspected unknown in two days. Given how much participation in the thread has fallen off since **Bayard’s** claim, I certainly think that his concern about scum being able to keep quiet was reasonable. It’s not so much that the idea itself might have hurt (or helped) anyone in particular. It’s that it sounded (in my ears) like an attempt by a surprised Wolf to somehow discredit the Seer’s findings and move the lynch in some other unspecified direction. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1135 "2015-08-13T19:20:51Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > It pains me to have to say that I won’t have the pleasure of a prolonged dialogue with you, as I’m going camping this weekend. I may be around a bit tonight and then probably not until Sunday evening (US). But I will certainly respond to any of your points that anyone other than you thinks deserving of a response then. > > Whether I am certain of myself is between me and my therapist. I’m never certain of anything in this game (sorry again, **Dante** ). I do really like this case, though. I hope others will express their opinions soon…I’m not happy that there have been only 25 posts in the first day of the Day, and that five players haven’t posted at all. I’ve been trying to analyze posts, but it bedevils me how you do it. Hats off to you for the detailed analysis. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1136 "2015-08-13T19:30:20Z")
Lunchtime at the mill: I have a good bit to post, but this is not a good place/time to do it all. But here’s a starting thought. I think the wolves’ initial plan was to go after our town’s unofficial but very real and very important power role: Mafia playing experience. That’s one reason, I believe, why **Chronos** was selected the first night, and why **Mahaloth** was selected the second. I also think they wanted to encourage town suspicion on experienced townies when possible. Perhaps they could even con the newbies into doing their dirty work for them. More coming over the next two days as I am off from work then. ---
**Author:** ![sangfroid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@sangfroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangfroid)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1137 "2015-08-13T20:17:43Z")
The one thing about this game in particular that sticks in my craw is the Alpha designation. It is, in fact, one of the primary reasons I simply do not know what to post for substantial content at the moment other than general suspicions. Investigating the Alpha, and potentially yielding a “Town” result skews the game too far to the wolf side, IMO. I’ll say it again: I am Town. I do not trust the result on **Tex** , due to the Alpha mechanic at work here, and with a free ride, the Alpha can do enormous damage to Town. There was a great deal of suspicion aimed at **TexCat** prior to being _allegedly_ white-listed by the Seer, and for good reason. I am still of the belief that my name was tossed out there, by several people, just to see if any traction took based on my relatively sparse posting and general cluelessness. My accidental lynching could always be chalked up to “well, he didn’t post much anyway - so sorry”. Not much real harm, no foul. Other than another Town loss. I will even go so far as to offer myself up as martyr, if need be, to prove my point. So long as the next Day you lynch **Tex** , as almost happened not too many Days ago. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1138 "2015-08-13T20:21:34Z")
There’s also plenty of time to play the game, if you’d like to do that in addition to offering yourself up as a martyr for no reason. You think we should lynch **TexCat** today, is what I’m getting. Is that right? ---
**Author:** ![Cygnus42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Cygnus42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cygnus42)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1139 "2015-08-13T20:43:13Z")
A few thoughts while I have a moment here… **Thing Fish** makes a pretty compelling case against **Plumpudding**. It’s a good starting point for this week if nothing else. I don’t agree with\*\* DiggitCamera\*\*'s assessment of \*\*Precambrianmollusc’s \*\*post from earlier. It’s not too crazy to question a possible fake claim - though of course we know it wasn’t fake. His questioning wasn’t going to be enough to divert from lynching a known wolf. I question \*\*sangfroid’s \*\*post in #1137 - this seems like it might be an attempt to get the early-developing heat off of **Plumpudding** , and put it back on **Texcat**. I’m inclined to agree with the concept that she’s Town, and not the Alpha, just based on the sheer unlikely-ness of \*\*Bayard \*\*hitting the Alpha and standard wolf with his first 2 picks. Plus, Tex never seemed that scummy to me anyway. I think I’ll go back and review \*\*sangfroid’s \*\*posts, in the vein of what **Thing Fish** did above - looking for interactions between himself, **JSexton** , and **Plumpudding**. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2015, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1140 "2015-08-13T22:05:13Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Lunchtime at the mill: > > I have a good bit to post, but this is not a good place/time to do it all. But here’s a starting thought. I think the wolves’ initial plan was to go after our town’s unofficial but very real and very important power role: Mafia playing experience. That’s one reason, I believe, why **Chronos** was selected the first night, and why **Mahaloth** was selected the second. I also think they wanted to encourage town suspicion on experienced townies when possible. Perhaps they could even con the newbies into doing their dirty work for them. > > More coming over the next two days as I am off from work then. I would have thought this was the obvious reason for Chronos being killed, and perhaps Mahaloth as well. Although Mahaloth may have leaked some clues that he was a mason and he was going pretty hard on JSexton. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099.md?page=58)