# MAFIA: The Game - Ideal for Beginners \[Game in Progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [July 14, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099 "2015-07-14T00:45:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1221 "2015-08-17T14:40:33Z")
Whoops, sorry, I meant to cut out the vote count, which became outdated while I was writing the post! ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1222 "2015-08-17T14:50:51Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > TexCat: You may be a bit ired by **Plumpudding** ’s attacks, but **voting for someone in retaliation does not help town and in fact is actually harmful**. If you have a real reason to suspect him of wolf, please explain. Otherwise, what are we to think? Odd that you turned up that quote from Biotop when I was just getting ready to post something similar. I’m seeing way too many retaliation votes here. Sangfroid is voting me. Sario is voting Cygnus. PMollusc is voting Diggit. Sario’s, in particular, is odd because Cygnus is almost certainly town, Sario is in the lead and yet does not make a self-preservation vote. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1223 "2015-08-17T14:51:19Z")
Even though I’m tempted to vote **Thing Fish** , as I’m getting a bit unsure about him, I don’t have time to go through all his posts and I need a vote on record. I find myself agreeing with\*\* TexCat\*\*, so I’ll go ahead and vote Sangfroid. I am very unsure about this and I will switch if something comes up. And **Sangfroid** , I would very much like you to give a try to convince me and \*\*TexCat \*\*to move our votes. If you are town, please give it a try. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1224 "2015-08-17T14:53:00Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Odd that you turned up that quote from Biotop when I was just getting ready to post something similar. I’m seeing way too many retaliation votes here. You’re opposed to those? ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1225 "2015-08-17T14:57:31Z")
There is a bit more to it than flat out OMGUS (oh my god you suck) DC case on me is very opportunistic based on what appears to be a deliberate misreading of a perfectly reasonable position on the question of the seers claim. ---
**Author:** ![Sario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sario/32/18580_2.png) [@Sario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sario)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1226 "2015-08-17T14:57:33Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Odd that you turned up that quote from Biotop when I was just getting ready to post something similar. I’m seeing way too many retaliation votes here. > > Sangfroid is voting me. > Sario is voting Cygnus. > PMollusc is voting Diggit. > > Sario’s, in particular, is odd because Cygnus is almost certainly town, Sario is in the lead and yet does not make a self-preservation vote. My vote is for the least active player, not the guy who is voting for me. I’ve noticed that you and and **Plum** seem rather in sync today. Could be something, could be nothing. Either way it is interesting. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1227 "2015-08-17T14:57:41Z")
Uh, yes, Jimmy. PMollusc had some reasons, iirc, to vote Diggit, but Sario and Sangfroid are just making throwaway votes. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1228 "2015-08-17T15:00:22Z")
> [@Sario](#): > > My vote is for the least active player, not the guy who is voting for me. > > I’ve noticed that you and and **Plum** seem rather in sync today. Could be something, could be nothing. Either way it is interesting. But several people have explained why he is pretty unlikely to be scum. Why are you voting him? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1229 "2015-08-17T15:00:37Z")
Sario, we seem to have a surplus of fairly inactive players. Why pick the one who is most likely to be town? Just because they’ve posted a few less times? ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1230 "2015-08-17T15:00:43Z")
descending internet will cut out shortly , quick sprint across MSP to the next flight and will be back ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1231 "2015-08-17T15:01:46Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > But several people have explained why he is pretty unlikely to be scum. Why are you voting him? Why are you defending him? ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1232 "2015-08-17T15:04:59Z")
> [@Precambrianmollusc](#): > > Why are you defending him? > [@Plumpudding](#): > > [Snip] **several people have explained why he is pretty unlikely to be scum** [Snip] Me included. I don’t think he’s scum. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1233 "2015-08-17T15:07:07Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > You’re opposed to those? You’re not opposed to retaliation votes? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1234 "2015-08-17T15:09:29Z")
I wasn’t trying to be coy. **TexCat** has registered a couple of retaliation votes of her own, if I recall correctly. ---
**Author:** ![Sario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sario/32/18580_2.png) [@Sario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sario)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1235 "2015-08-17T15:09:44Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > Sario, we seem to have a surplus of fairly inactive players. Why pick the one who is most likely to be town? Just because they’ve posted a few less times? I’m not sure about most likely to be town, but I’m also not sure if he’s scum. **Unvote Cygnus42** ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1236 "2015-08-17T15:12:21Z")
> [@Sario](#): > > I’m not sure about most likely to be town, but I’m also not sure if he’s scum. > > **Unvote Cygnus42** So who do you think is scum? ---
**Author:** ![sangfroid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@sangfroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangfroid)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1237 "2015-08-17T15:14:44Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > …[snip] > > And, yes, of course, I am willing to die for town, but I don’t think my being lynched would help town very much. **Why do you seem to think that your death would help town?** (bolding mine) Because I think you’re Alpha. As much as I despise the game mechanic of fraud investigations - that is, a wolf query yields a Town result; WAY too much power to the black hats, IMO - it is what we have to work with. The only way I can see to out you as Alpha is to offer myself up first. If Town has any sense, you’re going to be the next one standing over the trap door. Sadly, if we are in fact BOTH Town, this little drama will probably be it for the good guys. Both of us (if Town), plus two night kills would put us where, exactly? Done, with a fork? ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1238 "2015-08-17T15:17:32Z")
LOL. Yes, I have voted in retaliation. It’s a hard instinct to avoid. I do try at EOD, however, to look more objectively and vote for scum. PEDIT: Sangfroid, I don’t see how your death, if you are town, will do anything to prove that I am alpha. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1239 "2015-08-17T15:20:47Z")
> [@sangfroid](#): > > [Snip] > The only way I can see to out you as Alpha is to offer myself up first. If Town has any sense, you’re going to be the next one standing over the trap door. [Snip] We’re already in a lot of trouble. One more town going down is only gonna make things worse. ---
**Author:** ![Sario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sario/32/18580_2.png) [@Sario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sario)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1240 "2015-08-17T15:28:42Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > So who do you think is scum? Sadly, I have no clear suspects at this time. **Thing Fish’s** case on you seemed fairly detailed, but his refusal to respond to you and the suspicion that others have had on him have made me wary. Then there’s the fact you and **TexCat** are actually agreeing on a case, something I was not expecting to see this game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099.md?page=63)