# MAFIA: The Game - Ideal for Beginners \[Game in Progress\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [July 14, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099 "2015-07-14T00:45:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 70
**Author:** ![Cygnus42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Cygnus42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cygnus42)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1381 "2015-08-23T15:33:30Z")
That is a good point Jimmy - that’s probably the better way too look at that situation. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1382 "2015-08-23T16:06:53Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Nah, I got convinced by **Jimmy** ’s case. Why do you chose to answer my one additional objection, rather than giving a proper defense? Because, actually, I can’t defend myself against the other part. It pretty obviously shows that I used sloppy logic and sloppy thinking when talking about scummy behavior, by continuously referring to it with superlatives. Which I obviously shoudln’t have done. I don’t agree that it is correct to infer my wolfitude because of that. But it still was very sloppy playing. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1383 "2015-08-23T16:10:25Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > **Prof. Pepperwinkle, Cygnus** , tell me what I am missing? The only thing is that jsexton didn’t claim , he was the wolf outed by bayard claiming to be the seer . Other than that, this is pretty much my reasoning back at the beginning of the day. The only advantage I have is that I know I am town so can narrow down the pool a little, but that doesn’t help you much . I started the day with assuming sangfroid was town, and I have moved from thinking he was a wolf over the last few days, based on the assumption that for the Sario/sangfroid situation to be an engineered one requires too many complicated interactions to occur . I am ok with a plum P, DC or nonsuch lynch, pondering on Johnny B ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1384 "2015-08-23T16:35:22Z")
So say we lynch **DiggitCamara** , what would we learn: If he turns up wolf: - Then we know \*\*Thing Fish’\*\*s “Clusterfuck” post was correct in identifying two out of three wolves. That would certainly push **Thing Fish** out of my undecided alliance and move him into probable town. Because even if a **Thing Fish** wolf was trying to be “town helpful”, he would not need to be _that_ accurate in his CF assessment if he was wolf. But of course it would also mean **JSexton** was being pretty ballsy in endorsing **Thing Fish** ’s CF post and encouraging everyone to read it. - It would also move **Precambrianmollusc** into my “more likely town” column because of his dust-up with\*\* DiggitCamara\*\* over the **Bayard** claim doubt. - It would also reaffirm my feelings that **Jimmy Chitwood** is town because he has been voting for **Diggit Camara** right along. YesterDay’s vote was so close wolves were in real danger of lynching their own if they were voting for wolves…so I think yesterDay was less likely to have had wolves voting for wolves, at least among the among the four “two-voters.” - So that would leave two wolves among **Johnny Bravo** , **Nonsuch** , **Sangfroid** , and **Plumpudding**. * * * But what if **DiggitCamara** turns up town: - If **DiggitCamara** turns up town, then the result is less instructive. We know **Thing Fish** was wrong in his “two out of three” assessment and therefore it was less dangerous for **JSexton** to have been endorsing the CF post. But being wrong does not make **Thing Fish** much more likely to be wolf. It is a null tell. - There were two who voted for **DiggitCamara** yesterDay. **Precambrianmollusc** becomes more suspect and it does not help **Jimmy Chitwood**. Again, being wrong is no crime, but it isn’t any kind of town endorsement either. - So does anyone else see anything else we would learn from lynching **DiggitCamara** and finding him town other than the obvious —that we screwed up? ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1385 "2015-08-23T16:38:33Z")
I think **Sario** ’s case shows why lurking should be discouraged. Like yesterDay, I’m posting a participation count because of low activity. If there’s any errors I apologize. I’m not gonna be at home until late tonight, so see you later. Biotop IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII II 22 Prof. Pepperwinkle IIIII IIIII IIII 14 Plumpudding IIIII IIIII II 12 Precambrianmollusc IIIII IIIII 10 Thing Fish IIIII IIIII 10 Johnny Bravo IIIII III 8 sangfroid IIIII III 8 DiggitCamara IIIII I 6 Jimmy Chitwood IIIII I 6 Cygnus42 IIIII 5 Nonsuch I 1 ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1386 "2015-08-23T16:59:33Z")
[OOG]So while on my anniversary weekend getaway I find out my dad is in the hospital. I am flying back home now (well not right this moment, but soon) and I’m really not sure how much time I’ll have to read and post. This is a bad time for it I know, but it can’t be helped.[/OOG] Since I don’t know when I can post again, I’ll **vote Plumpudding** because I’m not trusting my own judgement much at the moment and want to get a vote on the board. If I can, I will revisit before end of Day. I don’t get the **sangfroid** votes either. **DiggitCamara** is starting to make sense however. ---
**Author:** ![sangfroid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@sangfroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangfroid)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1387 "2015-08-23T17:02:26Z")
I was going to paste in a bunch of the comments upthread, but decided to just address our current situation directly. We all know how yesterDay went down with regard to **Sario** and myself. I thought I had answered, as best as I can, the questions of why no vote change at the end (I really did believe **Cat** was Alpha, and I also do not, as a rule of thumb, like to make major vote changes very late unless some hard evidence surfaces - a reveal, or some such). Also, as I said before, I am generally a blunt edge - not a lot of subtlety most of the time. I can be mulish - to wit, my insistence about **Cat**. I haven’t been much help to my Town, which is probably the primary reason I offered myself up earlier as some sort of misguided penance. I have been properly chastised, by **Bio** and others, that another Town death doesn’t help matters so much. This round, look closely at the votes for me, and the comments associated with them. I had one ( **ProfP** , then one more( **Cygnus** ), then one removed ( **ProfP** ), as of my last count. **ProfP** seems very Town to me. **Bio** certainly does, unless he’s the bestest wolf ever. **Cygnus** I had pegged as mostly Town up until his most recent post. > [@Cygnus42](#): > > …For now, I’m going to vote **sangfroid**. I kinda don’t want this to turn into a runaway bandwagon on Diggit, without keeping other options open. This puts two on me, and closer to **Diggit**. One more (before **ProfP** unvoted me) and suddenly I am one vote away from the noose again. I would ask **Cygnus** to clarify this part of his post, as I’m not sure why he wants to push for a tie again. All that said, I am relying on the more thorough analysis of others in my vote for **Diggit** , as well as my own look back over content. I don’t want to screw up again. If a few more votes pile on me, and we have another Town lynch, at least there will be that much more content and voting history to reassess and use against the wolves. This is what I was trying - poorly, I might add - to convey with my comment earlier about tightening up the voting history. It seems to my mafia-challenged brain that as we get ever-closer to End Game (in a sort of even game), the noose gets increasingly hard for the wolves to avoid. As mentioned way, way back at the beginning of the game, wolves HAVE to lie. Every time. Every post. Truth will out, and all that. Hopefully. Based on what’s already been posted and my own best guess: vote DiggitCamara ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1388 "2015-08-23T17:12:17Z")
I see one argument for **DiggitCamara** to be town. When **JSexton** endorsed **Thing Fish** ’s “Clusterfuck” post, he is endorsing the idea that two out of three ( **DiggitCamara** , **Dante G** , and **Sario** ) are wolves. If **DiggitCamara** is town, then any attemps by our Seer to investigate those players would have been unproductive in finding wolves. The one player in the group who was actually wolf was Alpha and would have been been investigated to show town. So if **DiggitCamara** is town, then **JSexton** is guiding our Seer to look at three players none of whom would get a wolf read. Indeed, it might have been a good idea for wolves to toss a little suspicion **Sario** ’s way before our Seer outed himself —because a wrong read by the Seer is quite harmful to town. ---
**Author:** ![sangfroid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@sangfroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangfroid)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1389 "2015-08-23T17:14:06Z")
Once again, ETA: What I’m asking of **Cygnus** is to clarify why “keep options open”? This seems to indicate a push for another tie. To force a tie-break vote as an information gathering tool? Something else? ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1390 "2015-08-23T17:21:19Z")
Looks like Diggit is getting a bit of a run away count , having a second close by would be nice to gain some more information . A tie risks exposing the first mason , which is still an important confirm able town role, and if the mason is dead the wolves get an advantage in any future ties which I don’t like. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1391 "2015-08-23T17:23:11Z")
So: like I promised, a bit of analysis. Sorry to borrow **Biotop** ’s analysis but I think it’s best if I don’t make this post overlong. > [@Biotop](#): > > Cygnus42: > > (snip) > > Verdict: Town Agree on this one. > [@Biotop](#): > > **DiggitCamera** : > > (snip) > **Verdict: Undecided** I obviously disagree: I’m definitely town. > [@Biotop](#): > > (Sorry to mispell **DiggitCamara** ’s name in the previous post. No disrespect intended) Sorry I never responded to this. No harm, no foul, I’m used to it. > [@Biotop](#): > > **Jimmy Chitwood** : > > (snip) > **Verdict: Town** > (snip) Gotta agree on this one. Re-read his posts, he seems pretty kosher to me. > [@Biotop](#): > > **Johnny Bravo** > (snip) > \*\* > Verdict: Undecided (but leaning Town)\*\* Not entirely sure either, but I’m leaning Wolf myself. However, this might be because he’s one of those currently voting for me. [The explanation for his vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18615016&postcount=1285)is the main reason I believe he’s a wolf > [@Biotop](#): > > **Nonsuch** > > Like some others, I wish there were more posts from\*\* Nonsuch\*\* to consider. > > (Snip) > \*\* > Verdict: Undecided (leaning heavily Town)\*\* Just Undecided for me. Maybe town. His [intervention here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18616541&postcount=1312) is very townish. > [@Biotop](#): > > **PlumPudding** > > (snipped) > So tell me, PlumPudding, why should I not believe your accusers? Because they are winning me over. > > Verdict: Undecided. To me , the Verdict on PlumPudding is pretty much wolf. I’ll explain a bit more, down below. > [@Biotop](#): > > (snip) > > **Prof. Pepperwinkle** > > (snip) > **Verdict: Town** Kinda agree on this one. However, as I look at most of his posts I have to wonder: why are so many of them one-liners, just responses? That would be an easy way to feign participation. And a deeper concern are his continuing edits (for instance [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18624473&postcount=1378)). Overall, I’d be leaning Town. > [@Biotop](#): > > **Precambrianmollusc** > > (snip) > \*#1033: Says he will be voting for **DiggitCamara** on the nextDay because of how **DiggitCamara** reacted to post #1001. I think **DiggitCamara** had a right to feel as he did, so this seems retaliatory and not helpful to town. > > (snip) > Precambrainmollusc\*\* was on my short “very likely wolf” list before post #1120. He was missing in action at critical times on Day 1 and also was on Bayard’s list of those not really talking directly with\*\* JSexton\*\*. So now… > > **Verdict: Undecided (but leaning wolf)** Pretty sure the Mollusc is a crazy acting wolf. However, since my theory has no traction, I won’t be voting for him. > [@Biotop](#): > > **Sangfroid** > (snip) > \*\* > Verdict: Undecided (but leaning Town)\*\* Last Day’s voting pretty much decided this for me. Town it is. I can’t explain why he insists on being a sacrificial lamb but he’s quite likely just a drama-townie. > [@Biotop](#): > > **Thing Fish** > > (snip) > As **Thing Fish** said about me in post #715, I will now say about him: “Who the hell knows.” > **Verdict: Undecided** [Post 1114](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18596439&postcount=1114) makes me believe **Thing Fish** is the one which used the techniques I described previously and which [Biotop’s post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18621813&postcount=1347) is seeing as well. Furthermore, I believe the Wolves had decided to do a “1-2” punch: sacrifice the “weakest link”-wolf ( **PlumPudding** ) to give **ThingFish** town cred. It hasn’t worked very well, but it still might. I’ll oblige: **vote PlumPudding** …aaaand **Biotop**. I hope to Og he’s Town. Or else he’s pretty much the best Wolf ever, because he’d have shown a staggering amount of work in what is, in the end, just a game and has at the same time managed to lead Town in its best interests so far. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1392 "2015-08-23T18:33:03Z")
Looking over my short list, I don’t have a clear idea of who is most likely to be scum. However, there is one name on the list I think we’ll learn the most from whether or not he is. Vote PlumPudding. Madame P. has some relatives coming over tonight, and I have an appointment with audiologists regarding getting some hearing aids in the morning. There’s a very good chance I won’t get back before noon. Go Town! ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1393 "2015-08-23T19:32:31Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > I see one argument for **DiggitCamara** to be town. > > When **JSexton** endorsed **Thing Fish** ’s “Clusterfuck” post, he is endorsing the idea that two out of three ( **DiggitCamara** , **Dante G** , and **Sario** ) are wolves. If **DiggitCamara** is town, then any attemps by our Seer to investigate those players would have been unproductive in finding wolves. The one player in the group who was actually wolf was Alpha and would have been been investigated to show town. So if **DiggitCamara** is town, then **JSexton** is guiding our Seer to look at three players none of whom would get a wolf read. > > Indeed, it might have been a good idea for wolves to toss a little suspicion **Sario** ’s way before our Seer outed himself —because a wrong read by the Seer is quite harmful to town. To be perfectly honest, **Bio** , that “two out of three” comment was based more on frustration about the way Day One went than on any careful analysis – also, at that time we had much less information than we do now. I wouldn’t recommend that anyone base a vote solely on that comment, much less draw conclusions about my towniness based on whether it turns out to be true or not. **JSexton’s** endorsement was of the post in general and didn’t mention that specific bit, so I doubt the exact scenario you describe was what he had in mind. But maybe… ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1394 "2015-08-23T19:36:16Z")
> [@sangfroid](#): > > Once again, ETA: > > What I’m asking of **Cygnus** is to clarify why “keep options open”? This seems to indicate a push for another tie. > > To force a tie-break vote as an information gathering tool? > > Something else? Well, remember Day Two, how\*\* Dante G\*\* just sort of gradually stacked up votes all day and no other real contender ever emerged? Remember how we gained basically no information from that, because it would have been very easy for wolves to hide either on or off the\*\* Dante\*\* bandwagon? I think that kind of scenario is what **Cygnus** is trying to avoid, and within reason (as long as it doesn’t lead you to vote for someone you don’t think is among the scummiest) it makes sense to avoid it. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1395 "2015-08-23T19:40:09Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > [Post 1114](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18596439&postcount=1114) makes me believe **Thing Fish** is the one which used the techniques I described previously and which [Biotop’s post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18621813&postcount=1347) is seeing as well. Furthermore, I believe the Wolves had decided to do a “1-2” punch: sacrifice the “weakest link”-wolf ( **PlumPudding** ) to give **ThingFish** town cred. It hasn’t worked very well, but it still might. Wait, what nefarious techniques am I supposed to be using again? And given that Plumpudding ended yesterday with only two votes and four wolves were alive, that would indeed have to be considered a very unsuccessful wolfy conspiracy! ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1396 "2015-08-23T19:55:10Z")
And best wishes for your father’s speedy recovery, **Nonsuch.** ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1397 "2015-08-23T20:00:00Z")
If **Plum** is lynched and turns out scum: - I think it clears **Thing Fish** pretty much in my mind. Despite what **DiggitCamara** theorized in post #1391, I can’t conjure up a scenario where **Thing Fish** and **PlumPudding** are both scum. - I think it puts \*\*Sangfroid \*\*in a positive light because **Plum** voted for him yesterDay. - **Johnny Bravo voted for Plum** yesterday, so it would sure give him town points. \*\*\* Precambrianmollusc\*\*'s “methane” post#1120 would make him very unlikely to be wolf. So that would leave a choice of **DiggitCamara** , **Nonsuch** and/or or\*\* Jimmy Chitwood\*\* as the other two wolves. * * * Now if **Plum** is lynched and turns town, then - Those that voted against **Plum** are not necessarily scum, but they sure earn no town points. Still, I can’t really argue strongly against those voters as the case against \*\*Plum \*\* has some merit, and because my only real defense of **Plum** was my town read of his style of play and a pretty much useless “gut feeling.” - I still don’t see how that makes **Precambria** n’s #1120 post any more telling because he would know that **Plum** wasn’t wolf if he was scum. As I said before, a wolf would know a town \*\*Plum \*\*was not simply copying the early post from storyteller. **Precambrian** seems clean to me either way because of that single damned post. - **Nonsuch** came very close to voting for **Plum** , but didn’t. That would earn him town points in my eyes. **DiggitCamara** becomes more suspicious because we have to explain why no one voted for **Sangfroid** or town **Plum** to break the tie and save **Sario**. I say this because **Plum** was an acceptable target and no one would have had to heavily explain why they were joining that lynch. **Thing Fish** had made a case so anywolf who voted for a town\*\* Plum\*\* could have used that as a “cover” case for voting for **Plum**. ---
**Author:** ![sangfroid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@sangfroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangfroid)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1398 "2015-08-23T20:36:35Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Well, remember Day Two, how\*\* Dante G\*\* just sort of gradually stacked up votes all day and no other real contender ever emerged? Remember how we gained basically no information from that, because it would have been very easy for wolves to hide either on or off the\*\* Dante\*\* bandwagon? I think that kind of scenario is what **Cygnus** is trying to avoid, and within reason (as long as it doesn’t lead you to vote for someone you don’t think is among the scummiest) it makes sense to avoid it. OK - Again, fair point. I know I’m still up there suspicion-wise for some due to yesterDay’s results, but I see the value in having some tightness involved. And, drama aside, I still do feel crappy about **Tex**. Taking a last look at **Plum** since there is a bit of dialogue over the last few posts. Will check in at least once more tonight, EST. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2015, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1399 "2015-08-23T23:50:47Z")
Got to think. Got to think. This vote is critical. … unvote DiggitCamara ---
**Author:** ![sangfroid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e0b2c6/32.png) [@sangfroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sangfroid)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2015, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1400 "2015-08-24T00:28:48Z")
Critical indeed, **Bio**. I’d really like Town to come out ahead this round. Which sort of tie, if one happens, do you think may be most valuable overall? Three way? Two? Watching for last minute changes, keeping in mind who has already stated they will/may be absent for the rundown to Day End? So far, me, **Plum** and **Diggit** could conceivably face another multi-close vote situation. Can this be worked to our advantage at all? One more wolf swinging and we look a whole lot better than one less Town. Last minute thoughts, everyone? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099.md?page=69) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099.md?page=71)