# MAFIA: The Game - Ideal for Beginners \[Game in Progress\]

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**Created:** [July 14, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099 "2015-07-14T00:45:19Z")\
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**Post date:** [August 22, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-ideal-for-beginners-game-in-progress/725099/1368 "2015-08-22T15:49:26Z")

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> [@Plumpudding](#):
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> Anyway, I’m interested in the case against **DiggitCamara** and I’m interested in the defense. I haven’t got a strong lean either town or scum, could any of the voters sum the case up for me?

For me, it’s primarily voting patterns.

First, he said that **Dante** ’s “tip my hand” post was one of the scummiest things he’d ever seen, and was the second vote on Dante right at the outset. I can’t judge him harshly for that - I was skeptical of the same thing and **Dante** did take a lot of heat. Remember the “scummiest things” bit, though.

Then he voted for himself, then after un-self-voting, he switched to **septimus** , thusly:

> [@](#):
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> First things first
> 
> Unvote DiggitCamara
> 
> As for my vote, I was unable to connect yesterday and I don’t have that much time right now. So, on a general feel from the current mood in Town, I will
> 
> vote septimus
> 
> Seems the scummiest of the candidates so far.

This was the almighty third vote against **septimus**. It occurred at a time when our vote leader was a wolf ( **JSexton** ). It is notable that he didn’t vote for **TexCat** , however, which would have put her right in the lead. The vote for **septimus** made the count 4-4-3-3, which was wolf-town-town-town. The next vote was **Sario** on top of **septimus** , 4-4-4 and the cluster was a-fucking.

Later, at 564, he explains his reasons further:

> [@](#):
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> This is the main reason I leave my vote on septimus.
> 
> 1. Finds a flaw in the plan which actually might make it more favorable to the Wolves
> 2. After the “plan” peters out, gives it a jump-start to get it rolling again despite
> 3. Not having a real argument to discount the flaw he pointed out in the plan
> 
> Which, basically, amounts to seeing an advantage in the “plan” (for Wolves) and therefore convincing Town to adopt it.

I am, for the moment, ignoring the logic of the vote itself - I don’t think it’s great but everybody can decide that for themselves, as I don’t think it’s what’s interesting. What I think is interesting is he’s referring to a post from before the self-voting scheme, about the self-voting scheme, as the reason his vote is staying on **septimus**.

So, recap – votes Town **Dante** for one of the scummiest things he’s ever seen. Then **septimus** gets the ball rolling on self-votes and makes a post about it, and **Diggit** self-votes. At this point, he’s read both **Dante** ’s scummiest thing ever, and **septimus** ’ self-vote discussion. Then **Diggit** votes **septimus** on the “general feel from the current mood in Town,” because he “seemed the scummiest.” Not specifically because of the self-vote post. Then later **Diggit** circles back to that post by **septimus** , and says that’s why his vote is “staying.” But it would have had to have been the justification in the first place.

**Diggit** does not post again that Day, and **septimus** , who is Town, gets got.

So, next day. What’s our plan?! **Diggit** ’s ready:

> [@](#):
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> > [@Thing Fish](#):
> >
> > (snip)  
> > Then, suddenly septimus gets three more votes, from Diggit, Sario, and Dante G. None of them justified their votes at all; Diggit said he “seems the scummiest”, Sario said he “agrees with the case against Septimus” (what case?!), and Dante G claims that Johnny Bravo “pointed out some pretty convincing things.” I would bet my eyeteeth that there are at least two scum among those three.  
> > (snip)
> 
> I take issue with this part of your post. Not because it’s untrue but because:
> 
> 1. At the time I only could add a quick post (because of real life issues)  
> which I amended in this post
> 
> [Quote=DiggitCamara]
> 
> This is the main reason I leave my vote on septimus.
> 
> 1. Finds a flaw in the plan which actually might make it more favorable to the Wolves
> 2. After the “plan” peters out, gives it a jump-start to get it rolling again despite
> 3. Not having a real argument to discount the flaw he pointed out in the plan
> 
> Which, basically, amounts to seeing an advantage in the “plan” (for Wolves) and therefore convincing Town to adopt it.

I didn’t see an explanation by septimus after that and therefore didn’t remove my vote from him. However, I should point out that I actually should have left my vote on DanteG, mostly because he never explained (to my satisfaction) his strangely “aloof” posts concerning this game, overall. So:

Vote DanteG  
[/quote]

Second vote on **Dante**. Justification is identical to his justification before he elevated **septimus** above him as a lynch candidate, which he just flatly says he shouldn’t have done. **Diggit** does not post any further voting-related content, although he posts a few times about meta-strategish stuff. **Dante** gets got. **Dante** is Town.

Next Day, **Diggit** and everyone else votes **JSexton**.

At 1010, **Diggit** says **precambrianmollusc** ’s paranoid questioning whether **Bayard** would fake-claim Seer is:

> [@](#):
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> one of the scummiest ideas I have ever seen.

He promises he will vote for him the next day. He does, at 1129, provides more justification at 1134, give some metagame commentary at 1141 and then checks out for 8 days.

So, all told, that’s two people who have done the scummiest thing he’s ever seen in one context or another, two Townies he’s made early-day votes on and left them there while they got lynched – one of whom was the person who made the “scummiest… ever” posts and one of whom was someone _else_ AFTER that other person made the “scummiest… ever” post but BEFORE he voted that person for good, one timeline justifying that vote that doesn’t really add up, and basically no late Day behavior of any importance at any point in the game. If you’re gonna lay low, this is how you do that.

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