# Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 17, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527 "2007-04-17T21:34:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 116
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2301 "2007-06-10T17:12:40Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] Hey **Gad**! Get offa the _Hispaniola_ board and post the update!! (Hmm? Stalking? What?) [/QUOTE] If that’s stalking, what does that make me - I’ve just dropped him a PM on Hispaniola, reminding him of duties ashore… \ Come on Gad. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2302 "2007-06-10T18:30:35Z")
Here now. Sorry. Coming up. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2303 "2007-06-10T18:30:53Z")
Yeah, come on **Gad** … Oh…wait… _goes back to haunting_ ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2304 "2007-06-10T18:43:56Z")
\*The population of the town is rapidly thinning. At this rate, any victory against the Mafia will be somewhat pyhrric…although rumor has it that the Masons have shadowy plans to rebuild the community in their own image. In any event, **Blaster Master** is led to the gallows, strangely unprotesting. Perhaps he has withdrawn into himself, convinced of the futility of persuading the town that they have killed one of their own. Or perhaps he’s planning a last-minute escape to build a new life somewhere else. A carefree life. He’s always wanted to go to sea… Lost in his reverie as the noose is placed around his neck, **Blaster Master** begins to dream of a quiet sea voyage with the many familiar faces he’s come to know so well. A quiet sea voyage that will soon be marred…by **MURDER**!!! Back in the real world, **Blaster Master** , a member of the Mafia, has been lynched.\* Night instructions must be submitted by 2:45 p.m. my time on Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2305 "2007-06-10T18:44:48Z")
Well done, **Hal**! ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2306 "2007-06-10T18:47:04Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] Well done, **Hal**! [/QUOTE] Very well done Hal. I honestly thought it was Diggit (sorry Diggit). And now (assuming four original) we need to play hunt the recruit. I’m getting plastered. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2307 "2007-06-10T18:49:23Z")
Thank god. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2308 "2007-06-10T18:50:33Z")
I feel like an idiot for misspelling pyrrhic. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2007, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2309 "2007-06-10T18:55:18Z")
Before I head off to **What Exit** ’s dopefest, may I just say: Wooohooo! Remaining scum, you’ve got no chance… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2310 "2007-06-11T01:36:14Z")
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail] It’s been 19 hours since dusk, so I wonder if the Mafia are going ahead and talking. There are two at least, so we’re not going to be waiting on one person to make up their mind…should be a short night, right? [/QUOTE] As you can tell, from context, I meant “two at most, and we’re not going to be waiting on one person…” :smack: Because otherwise, that would not mean a short night. Heh. (Let’s make it short!!) ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2311 "2007-06-11T02:45:34Z")
Huzzah! ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2312 "2007-06-11T13:37:04Z")
Life has a funny way of intervening at the WORST times. Oh well, off to the forbidden thread with me. Happy Hunting! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2007, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2313 "2007-06-11T17:34:49Z")
In response to a rules clarification question: The masons can’t win unless the victory condition for town is fulfilled…which means until all the mafia (even the mason-mafia, if any) are dead. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2314 "2007-06-12T02:41:51Z")
While I’m online, as well as good 'n loaded, let me just point out how much I love this particular statement: [QUOTE=Blaster Master] Oh well. Looks like we’re gonna lose. [/QUOTE] \ ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2315 "2007-06-12T19:14:48Z")
\*There’s something different about the Village Green this morning. It’s…more creepily lit, somehow. Also, there’s a sacrificial altar that’s been hastily erected right in the middle of the bikepath. A leering portrait of Vampire George Washington hangs slightly askew from the hot dog stand. And various disparaging graffiti are scrawled on the fountain. One reads, “Yog-Sothoth Go Home!” Another: “fnord this, muthafuckas!” And: “Masons rule, United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America drool!” Sprawled soddenly on the altar—a party hat perched atop her head, a celebratory champagne bottle in one hand and a torn-open bag of pretzel sticks in the other—is **Millit the Frail** , dead drunk. Oh no, wait. Just dead. **Millit the Frail** , a mason, has been murdered.\* The day will end at 3:15 p.m. my time on Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2316 "2007-06-12T19:17:02Z")
**Updated Player List** Alive: 1. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 2. Hal Briston 3. nesta 4. tirial 5. DiggitCamara Dead: 1. percypercy – citizen (lynched, Day One) 2. NAF1138 – citizen (murdered, Night One) 3. dnooman – citizen (lynched, Day Two) 4. Kyrie Eleison – detective (murdered, Night Two) 5. Projammer – do-gooder (lynched, Day Three) 6. fluiddruid – mafia (lynched, Day Four) 7. Lightnin’ – do-gooder (lynched, Day Five) 8. Lemur866 – mafia (lynched, Day Six) 9. CaerieD – citizen (murdered, Night Six) 10. SnakesCatLady – citizen (lynched, Day Seven) 11. zuma – citizen (murdered, Night Seven) 12. Idle Thoughts – night watchman (collateral damage, Night Seven) 13. Rachm Qoch – mafia (lynched, Day Eight) 14. Blaster Master – mafia (lynched, Day Nine) 15. Millit the Frail – mason (murdered, Night Nine) Five players left; **three votes needed** to lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2317 "2007-06-12T19:30:48Z")
For the first time in the game, let it be said… GO MASONS! Bow down to the new order, Mafia scum! _Resistance is futile!_ ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2318 "2007-06-12T19:56:29Z")
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail] For the first time in the game, let it be said… GO MASONS! Bow down to the new order, Mafia scum! _Resistance is futile!_ [/QUOTE] \ Ok, looks like they did recruit a townie after all. Which leaves me with a problem as I don’t get clear “recruit” reads on any of the remaining. I’ve put too much work into this to see a scum win at this point, so I will follow the mason lead, unless you want to lynch me, in which case I will go along with it (from anyone but Diggit who I still think is suspicious). Although, as this is currently a 5 on 1, with three roles known to two of the remaining we should be able to find the recruit. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2319 "2007-06-12T20:22:49Z")
You meant “4 on 1” right, **tirial**? Someday, this damn game will be over, and I will be happy. 😛 Sorry to see you go, **Millit**. I have no fracking idea who the recruit is, aside from knowing that it isn’t me. 😃 If I went with my first hunch, I’d look strategically at **Diggit** as a likely recruit candidate, and also at **nesta**. **Diggit** would make a good recruit because of how much confusion and suspicion has surrounded him through much of the game. There has also been a trend over the past few game days towards the remaining players (including myself) giving him the benefit of the doubt, in spite of the history of confusion and vague suspicion. If **Diggit** were to be recruited, there is plenty of chaos to hide in. Conversely, **nesta** also would make a good recruit simply because a comparitively “quiet” poster provides less opportunity to spot behavior changes. 2nd gut hunches leave **Hal** and **tirial** both of whom have had recently successful anti-scum campaigns which may or may not prove to have been cons. That being said, I’m also open to some Masonly advice, though with one of them now dead, I fear that if the remaining mason’s role-claim, that we may not have enough confirmable data to see through any smoke-screen counter-claims, should they arise. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2007, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2320 "2007-06-12T21:20:31Z")
The way I see it, there were 2 possible recruiting moments: 1. A while ago, when **tirial** outed herself 2. The game night before the one where **Millit** was taken out (sorry to see you go, kiddo) The first recruiting moment would, quite certainly, involve a recruitment of **tirial** (at least, so far, no one has argued for another plausible candidate). The second one is completely open. For my part, I’m quite sure the first recruiting moment was chosen. Yesterday’s “out of context” quotes would have cinched the deal, but [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8662133&postcount=2281) gave me, even at the time, a strong feeling that **tirial** thought \*\*Millit \*\*was a mason > [@tirial](#): > > BTW Millet, I ran the odds on the game if there were three masons. It looks as though they can end the game now, with help from a townie or myself. > > > [@Gadarene](#): > > > > That is, the Mason Mafioso’s Mafia status overrides his loyalty to the Town, but not his loyalty to the Masons. > > If there are three masons by the way, I would suggest we end the game now. > If I voted with you (you’ve got more information than I do) that gives you an instant majority.(snip) (YMMV) So I’ll waste no time and will vote tirial. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=115) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=117)