# Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 17, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527 "2007-04-17T21:34:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 119
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2007, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2361 "2007-06-15T23:59:28Z")
Crap! My personal voting deadline is in five minutes, and I still have no idea who to vote for. I’m tempted to just vote for **Cookies** , knowing she’s reasonably safe anyway, but that’d be a cop-out. I’m…mmmm…let’s call it 85% certain that either **tirial** or **nesta** is the recruit. Which one though, I have no idea. Oh, hell with it. My most humble apologies if I’m wrong about this: vote **tirial**. Be back on tomorrow night for the results. Let’s hope it’s for the victory party as well. ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2362 "2007-06-16T04:28:18Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] Crap! My personal voting deadline is in five minutes, and I still have no idea who to vote for. I’m tempted to just vote for **Cookies** , knowing she’s reasonably safe anyway, but that’d be a cop-out. I’m…mmmm…let’s call it 85% certain that either **tirial** or **nesta** is the recruit. Which one though, I have no idea. Oh, hell with it. My most humble apologies if I’m wrong about this: vote **tirial**. Be back on tomorrow night for the results. Let’s hope it’s for the victory party as well. [/QUOTE] Problem is you are wrong, but I have no way of proving it. The only other suggestion I have is that I don’t selfprotect tonight - instead I protect a mason. That way, if the mafia kill me they prove my status, and if they go after a mason they’ve got a 50% chance of being blocked. Kill a townie, and they’ve still got to face two masons tomorrow. At this point in the game, having two masons in is probably more important than having the Doctor. ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2363 "2007-06-16T04:31:01Z")
[QUOTE=tirial] Problem is you are wrong, but I have no way of proving it. The only other suggestion I have is that I don’t selfprotect tonight - instead I protect a mason. That way, if the mafia kill me they prove my status, and if they go after a mason they’ve got a 50% chance of being blocked. Kill a townie, and they’ve still got to face two masons tomorrow. At this point in the game, having two masons in is probably more important than having the Doctor. [/QUOTE] And BTW, please actually build a case against me not based on things said by Lemur866 and Diggit. (And discount Idle Thoughts as a source of information - he may be confirmed town but he is not reliable. See SCL and others.) ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2364 "2007-06-16T04:46:51Z")
I’m home now, and have decided not to worry about that project until tomorrow morning, so now I can devote some time to this game again. On the drive home I thought about it a little more, and came to these conclusions: I don’t think the mafia would choose not to kill given the circumstances, which means the recruitment happened two nights ago; and I don’t think a mason was recruited since a mason wouldn’t have killed **Millit**. That changes the order of my suspicion list that I posted earlier. **tirial** and **Cookies** have been repeatedly changing places on my list today, but I don’t think the mafia would have recruited **tirial** two nights ago since she already had so much suspicion built up against her as being the recruit. Recruiting the doctor was the only obvious recruitment choice if the recruitment happened after the three no-kill nights, but even then we have the fact that **Lemur** was pushing for lynching the doctor. I’ve had enough doubts about **tirial** being the recruit that I decided I needed to try to bring up what I consider the more likely possibility. The most likely recruit that makes sense to me is **Cookies**. I suspected she might have been recruited yesterday when her first post asked if it was time to lynch **Diggit** , and then shortly after that she voted for him. Even though I went into yesterday thinking **Diggit** was scum, I still found **Cookies** and **tirial’s** early votes a little suspicious. With only four votes required to lynch, and yesterday being the key day for the recruit to show their true colors, voting early like that wasn’t in the town’s best interest. Also, this late in the game I find hastiness a little suspicious in general. Those votes point to both **Cookies** and **tirial** as possible recruits, but when **Cookies** unvoted and then failed to revote at all, it made me even more suspicious. I think **Cookies** was hoping that I might vote for **Diggit** so that she and **Blaster Master** could jump on and have a better chance at getting a townie lynched today and winning right there. I also think **Cookies** was a very likely recruit two nights ago. She has been both mostly trusted and below the radar for most of the game. The same could be said of me, and I understand why people are suspicious of me for the same reasons, but I know I wasn’t recruited and **Cookies** seems like the other obvious recruitment choice two nights ago. If I’m wrong that the recruitment was two nights ago **tirial** is the likely recruit, but if the recruit did happen two nights ago recruiting **tirial** would only make sense if they counted on the no-kill night clearing her. I do remember the tone of her posts changing after the three no-kill nights, and suspected her as the recruit then. Once it came out that **Idle Thoughts** should have been killed one of those nights, though, it seemed a little less likely to me that she had been recruited. Now that we had another no-kill night I find myself doubting she was the recruit simply because it would be a little more tricky than I suspect they were willing to risk. Perhaps it’s my experience as mafia in the Mafia2 game clouding my judgment, but there really weren’t any complicated strategies during that game. Everything was rather straight-forward, even **storyteller’s** approach to becoming trusted. Maybe I’m wrong and this round was more sophisticated, and I wouldn’t put it past **Blaster Master** to try something like that, but I think it’s less likely that they would set up some complicated ruse than recruit someone low key and trusted. I could also see **Hal** being recruited due to the trust he’d built up, but he was key in swaying at least my vote towards **Blaster Master**. I suppose a recruited scum could do that to build up support, but he could have easily remained silent and hoped for the best. I think **Cookies** or **tirial** are much more likely than he is. **Diggit** would have been a very risky recruit going into yesterday. If there was anyone that was going to be lynched other than **Blaster Master** it would have been him. Once again, I don’t think they would have gone for such a risky recruit when someone safer was available. I’m going to vote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies. I think she’s the most likely recruit, and her actions yesterday and today seem scummy to me. ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2365 "2007-06-16T05:20:41Z")
The only thing I will add by the way is that the scenario I was concerned about is now occurring: Day: lynch Doctor (-1 townie) Night: Kill mason/townie Day: left with three players: _case 1:_ 1 scum recruit, two masons - a mason win. _case 2:_ 1 scum recruit, one townie, one mason _and no one to back up a roleclaim._ At this point, the townies and masons will probably lose. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2366 "2007-06-16T05:33:07Z")
[QUOTE=nesta] With only four votes required to lynch, and yesterday being the key day for the recruit to show their true colors, voting early like that wasn’t in the town’s best interest. Also, this late in the game I find hastiness a little suspicious in general. Those votes point to both **Cookies** and **tirial** as possible recruits, but when **Cookies** unvoted and then failed to revote at all, it made me even more suspicious. [/quote] The lack of voting was pure RL oversight on my part. It would suck for the town to lose just because I lost track of time and went to see a movie, and that is what will happen if I’m lynched and you turn to be town. It would still suck (though slightly less-so imho) if you’re scum and just using my RL brainfart as the backdrop for the scum’s final push. > [@nesta](#): > > I think **Cookies** was hoping that I might vote for **Diggit** so that she and **Blaster Master** could jump on and have a better chance at getting a townie lynched today and winning right there. Nope. I wanted to keep the momentum going. I’d had my eyes set on Diggit for a long time, long before any of the possible times of my alleged recruitment. I also see absolutely nothing wrong with vote-switching as a principle this late in the game. > [@nesta](#): > > I also think **Cookies** was a very likely recruit two nights ago. She has been both mostly trusted and below the radar for most of the game. The same could be said of me, and I understand why people are suspicious of me for the same reasons, but I know I wasn’t recruited and **Cookies** seems like the other obvious recruitment choice two nights ago. Trusted and below the radar, eh? :dubious: Well then, this is an interesting development, and forces a delay of my vote a bit, until I see if anyone else comes after me. When is the vote deadline again? The timezone conversions are messing with my head. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2367 "2007-06-16T05:39:18Z")
If I’m reading Hal’s earlier post correctly, the deadline is tomorrow at 12:15pm Pacific, right? ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2368 "2007-06-16T10:30:36Z")
I was going to wait to post this but due to PC trouble I’m hoping to get it up now before my PCs totally dies. If the recruit went off on the last no-kill night I would think the recruit was probably Hal. However there is one extra piece of information I need to add for the town. Concerning the recruit, there is one piece of evidence possessed by myself and one other person in the game. This particular piece is of value only if I am lynched and my status confirmed, which is why I haven’t brought it up earlier. However it implicates Diggit, and to a lesser extent Hal. For the last two days I made a case that the recruit was most likely to have occurred on the last no-kill night. Its logical, fits with what we know (down to one scum, Omi’s earlier post etc). Then I watched to see who agreed with it and who argued against it. By strengthening the case as far as I could it displayed those who would not be dissuaded that the recruit must have occurred in one of the three no-kill nights. Therefore it was logical for most in the game to assume the recruit took place on that last no-kill night, or at least concede the possibility. However it was possible for someone in the game to argue that it didn’t and not concede it was possible for it to occur, quite truthfully because they knew it didn’t. I never said what I did that night. I let people assume and when Blastermaster (who was scum) said that the doctor was self-protecting that supported it nicely, meaning that anyone who was town should concede the possibility at least. I didn’t self-protect on the no kill two nights ago.\* **I blocked on Hal.** **Diggit** , thanks for your continued insistance the recuit occurred earlier than that night, and refusal to accept it may have occurred on that night[SUP]1[/SUP]. To the town - once my status is confirmed please hang him tomorrow. And for what its worth. ## Vote Diggit. \*I thought it was an obvious night for a recruit if they hadn’t already made it. However, if they had already recruited, only the scum in the game would know it was a failed kill. And if they knew it was a failed kill they would insist the recruit must have happened earlier. If the recruit had happened that final night, the main reason to insist it happened earlier was: a) to make Diggit look less suspicious - who’d recruit someone the town obviously wanted to lynch? b) to get me lynched. Either way the main proponent for this is also the main beneficiary - Diggit. [Sup]1[/Sup] P2320, P2328, P2349. Basically read Page 47: Hal and Nesta assumed the second, Cookies hasn’t commented. Diggit insists it must be the first. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2369 "2007-06-16T17:03:53Z")
Since we can’t confirm your story unless we kill you, I’m curious as to why you didn’t at least mention it while Hal still had the opportunity to consider your post? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2370 "2007-06-16T18:38:11Z")
Alright. Fsck it. I don’t see any choice but to try and force a tie and hopefully catalyze some further conversation, because I’m not happy about being the one carrying the decision and not getting any feedback from anyone else about **tirial’s** last post. **Vote Diggit**. I’m going to be watching the thread closely over the next 45 minutes, in case **nesta** or anyone else does anything sneaky at the last minute. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2371 "2007-06-16T21:39:59Z")
No time for anything pretty right now, unfortunately. **Vote Count** 2 – **tirial** (DiggitCamara, Hal Briston) 2 – **DiggitCamara** (tirial, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies) 1 – **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** (nesta) I’m exercising my gamerunner’s discretion to extend the Day until 9:00 a.m. my time on Monday. If there’s still a tie at that point, it will be decided by [random.org](http://random.org). ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2372 "2007-06-16T23:42:40Z")
[QUOTE=tirial] I was going to wait to post this but due to PC trouble I’m hoping to get it up now before my PCs totally dies. If the recruit went off on the last no-kill night I would think the recruit was probably Hal. However there is one extra piece of information I need to add for the town. Concerning the recruit, there is one piece of evidence possessed by myself and one other person in the game. This particular piece is of value only if I am lynched and my status confirmed, which is why I haven’t brought it up earlier. However it implicates Diggit, and to a lesser extent Hal. For the last two days I made a case that the recruit was most likely to have occurred on the last no-kill night. Its logical, fits with what we know (down to one scum, Omi’s earlier post etc). Then I watched to see who agreed with it and who argued against it. By strengthening the case as far as I could it displayed those who would not be dissuaded that the recruit must have occurred in one of the three no-kill nights. Therefore it was logical for most in the game to assume the recruit took place on that last no-kill night, or at least concede the possibility. However it was possible for someone in the game to argue that it didn’t and not concede it was possible for it to occur, quite truthfully because they knew it didn’t. I never said what I did that night. I let people assume and when Blastermaster (who was scum) said that the doctor was self-protecting that supported it nicely, meaning that anyone who was town should concede the possibility at least. I didn’t self-protect on the no kill two nights ago.\* **I blocked on Hal.** **Diggit** , thanks for your continued insistance the recuit occurred earlier than that night, and refusal to accept it may have occurred on that night[SUP]1[/SUP]. To the town - once my status is confirmed please hang him tomorrow. (snip) [/QUOTE] … and, off we go on a tangent again. Do you realize, that whether or not you blocked has no bearing at all on the recruitment? Why would anyone think this makes any difference at all? Why would the mafia recruitment/non-recruitment change depending on **tirial** ’s blocks? **tirial** : OK, I’ll bite. Let’s suppose you really believe there was recruitment on the night I have saying all along. Why would anyone recruit anyone but you? And, before you start telling us that a Doctor recruited had no value to scum, remember: when they recruited you, you had a pretty good town record, added to your Doctor status. You would (and, apparently, still are), pretty much unkillable, as in: you won’t gather a majority during the day to be lynched, and you won’t be killed by night. Why would they recruit anyone else at all? There was still a DoGooder at large. So: would (presumably intelligent) scum risk to recruit, by chance, a DoGooder? Or would they like the juicy Doctor better? The only reason you suddenly changed your perspective on that point is because it’s the only way you could cast doubt on being recruited and keep on pointing your finger at me. Let’s review my main points to lynch **tirial** : 1. [Attempt to out masons (today)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8672349&postcount=2318) > [@tirial](#): > > (snip)I’ve put too much work into this to see a scum win at this point, so I will follow the mason lead, unless you want to lynch me, in which case I will go along with it(snip) 1. [Attempt to out masons (yesterday)](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8662133&postcount=2281) > [@tirial](#): > > (snip)If there are three masons by the way, I would suggest we end the game now. > If I voted with you (you’ve got more information than I do) that gives you an instant majority. > (snip) 1. Lie about the latter part (voting the way masons would vote). She [knew Millit was a mason](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8674022&postcount=2329) > [@tirial](#): > > And yes I thought Millet was a mason - I’ve had an idea on who they were since Day 4, although one of the details was wrong and I’ve revised my guess in the last few game days. You see, at that point I was wondering if you were a mason. I have no intention of outing them before they choose to do so themselves. and yet didn’t vote against **Blaster Master**. Millit’s vote was the second against **Blaster Master**! 4. How many, outside the masons, knew **Millit** was a mason? And I can assure you she was killed because she was a mason… else, it would have been game over, wouldn’t it? 5. Distortion of facts to incriminate me (quoting out of context, specifically). Again, to emphasize it: _How can anyone reconcile the wilful distortion of quotes of another player with a townie attempt to hunt down scum?_ ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2007, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2373 "2007-06-16T23:55:14Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] Alright. Fsck it. I don’t see any choice but to try and force a tie and hopefully catalyze some further conversation, because I’m not happy about being the one carrying the decision and not getting any feedback from anyone else about **tirial’s** last post. **Vote Diggit**. I’m going to be watching the thread closely over the next 45 minutes, in case **nesta** or anyone else does anything sneaky at the last minute. [/QUOTE] Funny. A vote against me clears someone completely from being scum. 1. By voting against me, she ties the vote. 2. This after being voted against by **nesta** , and actually putting herself in danger of being lynched herself. Just to catalyze votes. 3. And even though she could easily have swung the vote (against **tirial** ). She would have born no responsibility herself (for the lynch). An indistructible (during the night) townie would have gone down. She would have been able to take out the only townie who had directly suspected her ( **nesta** ). The good thing for town: the list becomes narrower still. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2374 "2007-06-17T01:11:26Z")
Ok whew. First of all, **unvote Diggit**. My finger is on the trigger for **tirial** , but I would like to hear from **nesta** and **Hal** if possible first. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2375 "2007-06-17T03:18:25Z")
[QUOTE=tirial] Problem is you are wrong, but I have no way of proving it. The only other suggestion I have is that I don’t selfprotect tonight - instead I protect a mason. That way, if the mafia kill me they prove my status, and if they go after a mason they’ve got a 50% chance of being blocked. Kill a townie, and they’ve still got to face two masons tomorrow. At this point in the game, having two masons in is probably more important than having the Doctor. [/QUOTE] Beautiful. Truly beautiful. If you have been recruited, this would translate into: 1. Give you the name of the two masons 2. You kill one of the two masons (during the night) 3. Say “oh well. I tried. I protected mason number 2” (50%, remember) ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2376 "2007-06-17T04:25:03Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] Ok whew. First of all, **unvote Diggit**. My finger is on the trigger for **tirial** , but I would like to hear from **nesta** and **Hal** if possible first. [/QUOTE] I fear I wasn’t entirely clear about **tirial** ’s last post. I wanted to make this point: If **tirial** _was_ recruited, it wouldn’t matter _who_ received her “protection”. If she protected, **Gadarene** , for instance, it would have as little effect than if she protected **The Moon**. And it would be equally unverifiable in all three scenarios. The person (or thing) protected would never know it had received said protection. So, actually, we don’t know if there was a kill attempt during the last no-kill Night. We don’t know if there was a recruitment. We don’t know zilch about it. **Hal** doesn’t know about it. And, from what I can understand, **tirial** ’s argument is… kinda weird: > [@tirial](#): > > (snip)I thought it was an obvious night for a recruit if they hadn’t already made it. However, if they had already recruited, only the scum in the game would know it was a failed kill. And if they knew it was a failed kill they would insist the recruit must have happened earlier.(snip) Scum know, as **tirial** points out, if there was or if there wasn’t a kill attempt on one night or another. They know if they tried to recruit, if they voted no-kill, if they voted to kill and who they voted to kill, etc. etc. Now, as far as I understand, **tirial** is saying: 1. They tried to kill **Hal** on the most recent no-kill Night 2. They failed What I don’t get is this: > [@tirial](#): > > (snip)And if they knew it was a failed kill they would insist the recruit must have happened earlier.(snip) The way **tirial** describes it 1. the scum knew they had a failed kill and therefore 2. would insist an earlier recruitment had taken place … or, in other words the scum told us there had been no recruitment on this, more recent night, because they felt compelled to tell us when the true recruitment had happened… because… well.. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2377 "2007-06-17T05:43:03Z")
Right, I have spent 5 days carefully creating a coin toss between myself and the final remaining scum. This is because: a) If I go out, he goes out tomorrow and b) If he goes out on the coin toss tonight all the better. I thoroughly expected to be dead before he started pulling the case apart, however if he argues back while I am alive, I run the risk that he can get the town off his tail. The only logical move I have at this point to ensure a town win is to vote for myself, which is an odd situation, but is brought on purely because apparently the GM has changed the rules to postpone the coin toss AFTER the day ended. Considering your views on players voting for themselves Gad, I find it fascinating that you would put me in this position. Although it does remove my chances of being alive at the end of the game, I would be grateful if players would vote for me. Once my status is confirmed please hang Diggit tomorrow and ignore everything else he says. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2378 "2007-06-17T06:08:49Z")
[QUOTE=tirial] Right, I have spent 5 days carefully creating a coin toss between myself and the final remaining scum. This is because: a) If I go out, he goes out tomorrow and b) If he goes out on the coin toss tonight all the better. (snip) [/QUOTE] I don’t get it. At all. When did the recruitment happen, then, according to you? a.) If on the three-Night-no-kill-streak, the most likely suspect (so far) has been you b.) If not, it’s someone else (probably not you) Apparently you, somehow, deduce I’m a member of the Mafia 5 days ago. 5 game Days? 5 "real days? (I’m guessing game Days, because 5 real days takes us to this game Day. And **Blaster Master** was lynched on the preceding Day, and you reference him as somehow important in the post where you voted against me). … How did you “spend 5 days carefully creating a coin toss”? Granted, it would have come to a coin toss today, but… how did you “create” it? Even if you were referencing, somewhere, your “save” of **Hal** … where does it get us even near to 5 days… or 5 Days… or whatever? 😕😕 Color me extremely confused. ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2379 "2007-06-17T07:41:38Z")
Actually I’d been thinking about this since the end of that nokill night and started implementing it then. When I realised I couldn’t get you directly as you will ignore arguments you can’t answer, and had carefully managed to get the town to assume I was recruited using Lemur866’s logic, I decided that a one for one trade was fair enough. The best I could get between us was a coin-toss, even if I had to post earlier than I wanted. I am town. I lose nothing if I am lynched and take a scum down with me. If its the last scum, that’s a very good trade. You are scum. You can’t afford to go down as you cost your side the game if you do. Gadarene’s extra time has removed my chances of being “alive” to see you swing, but as long as you do the town should win. When did I think the recruit happened: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8685458&postcount=2368](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8685458&postcount=2368) I am not restating my post again for you. And since you wonder when I thought you were scum, I thought I’d made that clear from pretty early on, and if you didn’t notice it when I was going after Rachm, you really weren’t paying attention. And I’m not restating the case against you again - we’ve been over that for the last three game days. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2007, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2380 "2007-06-17T15:43:17Z")
[QUOTE=tirial] (snip) When did I think the recruit happened: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8685458&postcount=2368](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8685458&postcount=2368) I am not restating my post again for you. And since you wonder when I thought you were scum, I thought I’d made that clear from pretty early on, and if you didn’t notice it when I was going after Rachm, you really weren’t paying attention. And I’m not restating the case against you again - we’ve been over that for the last three game days. [/QUOTE] That’s that, then. To the others: Do you understand **tirial** ’s post? Can you explain it to me? Because it simply doesn’t make sense. And, apparently, \*\*tirial \*\*won’t be explaining it further (not to me, at least). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=118) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=120)