# Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 17, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527 "2007-04-17T21:34:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 123
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2441 "2007-06-21T13:28:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Gadarene, I’m assuming the countdown is 12 hours because that’s what it’s been in the past I think. Can you clarify this when you get a chance? Twelve hours, yes. So…twelve hours from right now, then. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2442 "2007-06-21T15:17:02Z")
[QUOTE=nesta] (snip) Good point. I hadn’t considered the situation if only her and **tirial** were left at the end of today. If I recall the rules correctly it would have gone to a coin-flip on the tie. If she thought the extension was a given she was probably counting on the **tirial** lynch going through in the end anyway. (snip) She thought it was obvious she wasn’t a mason so there was no value in trying to keep your status a secret. I was pretty sure you were a mason (if there were three) due to **Hal’s** defense of you, but I wasn’t sure. I wouldn’t have believed her if you both claimed mason, though, and maybe she figured that. If she was about to vote for you anyway, she might have thought that our common non-mason status, and previous shared suspicion of you, would unite us against you and lead to victory. It’s hard to figure out what she was thinking. Maybe she was hoping that I would jump right on so she could unvote you and say it was a trap and get you to vote for me. Who knows. (snip) [/QUOTE] Well… the thing is: **tirial** being lynched would give scum a definitive advantage. Me being lynched? Meh… especially if the Recruit didn’t know I was the mason yesterday. It changes if the Recruit knew my mason-ness yesterday. However, **Cookies** leaves the impression that: 1. The idea that I am a mason came to her in a flash toDay (when she saw **Hal** was a mason). 2. **tirial** ’s [last post before the deadline](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8685458&postcount=2368) yesterDay confused the hell out of her. (It confused the hell out of me). She waited for some kind of response from anyone (which didn’t come, for 8 hours straight), left it for 1.5 hours and finally did the only thing she could think of (tying the vote) Under those circumstances (as The Recruit) she could easily have played possum or voted any other way without blame on her. At all. However, she acted consistently: she had certain sympathies for **tirial** embedded in her and… well, we all know what happened next. And announcing her discovery of my masonhood to the world doesn’t make much sense either, does it? Of course The Recruit wouldn’t claim masonhood under current circumstances, but a wiser course of action would have been to prepare the ground so that if I was forced to declare my declaration could be somehow contested and used to sow uncertainty. The current scenario pretty much gives The Recruit a 50% of winning. A controversy (of some kind) around my claim would help better those odds for The Recuit. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2443 "2007-06-21T15:21:31Z")
[QUOTE=nesta] (snip)I guess that’s it. If you leave your vote on me it’s over and we lose. Really, I blame myself for not playing a very good game this time around, so don’t feel bad. (snip) [/QUOTE] … I mentioned it somewhere else before, but it bears repeating. I’m having my “Charlie Brown in the 9th inning, with two outs, at bat” moment. Will I be the goat? Will I be the hero? Tune in this afternoon! ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2444 "2007-06-21T23:34:01Z")
I watch a lot of _Lost_ and _Battlestar Galactica_ on iTunes/dvd, and I must say that playing Mafia has added an extra level of enjoyment to watching both. It has done absolutely nothing for my patience though. I neeeeeeeed my (commercial-free) Mafia fix… ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2445 "2007-06-21T23:43:08Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] I watch a lot of _Lost_ and _Battlestar Galactica_ on iTunes/dvd, and I must say that playing Mafia has added an extra level of enjoyment to watching both. It has done absolutely nothing for my patience though. I neeeeeeeed my (commercial-free) Mafia fix… [/QUOTE] You do realize you have already won, don’t you? Unless, of course, I do a sudden turn against you… ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2446 "2007-06-21T23:48:09Z")
I hope we’ve _both_ won. 😛 Or are you nursing some wounded masonly pride? 😉 I suppose what I’m really jonesing for is free reign in the forbidden thread. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2007, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2447 "2007-06-21T23:56:54Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] I hope we’ve _both_ won. 😛 Or are you nursing some wounded masonly pride? 😉 I suppose what I’m really jonesing for is free reign in the forbidden thread. [/QUOTE] … see, the problem is (if you accept my theories regarding The Hybrid), that even though you already know without a question who is The Recruit, from my point of view there still is some doubt. Maybe you played the role of The Recruit (aka Lamb in Wolfskin) exceedingly well… and then I lose. (Honestly: I never played to win as a Mason. I figured it was an extreme longshot. Surprisingly, though, we were intact well into the endgame. And if we Masons didn’t “win”, I don’t have anyone to blame but myself: if I hadn’t had my feud with **tirial** , we could, like she said, have “plowed through all opposition”). ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2448 "2007-06-22T01:48:13Z")
So… here I am… wearing out the F5 key on my keyboard… Would it be actually \*wrong \* to look into the forbidden thread? I mean, the game is technically over, isn’t it? ISN’T IT? I’m dreading an undead apparition… ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2449 "2007-06-22T01:52:26Z")
**BOO!** ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2450 "2007-06-22T02:00:08Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] **BOO!** [/QUOTE] EEk! Ahem… [regaining manly composure/] That does it for me. This place is haunted. I’m signing off. ---
**Author:** ![DfrntBreign](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f6c823/32.png) [@DfrntBreign](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DfrntBreign)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2451 "2007-06-22T03:52:14Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] Twelve hours, yes. So…twelve hours from right now, then. [/QUOTE] :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2452 "2007-06-22T03:56:24Z")
> [@](#): > > :rolleyes: Very nice indeed. That coupled with your snarky PM a few days ago leaves me wondering who the hell you are. Anyway, **nesta** , a member of the Mafia, has been lynched. **Congratulations to the Town!** And congratulations to all of those who made this such a lot of fun. Sorry my moderation was imperfect at best. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2453 "2007-06-22T04:00:39Z")
Hurrah!!! ---
**Author:** ![Clockwork\_Jackal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5e925/32.png) [@Clockwork\_Jackal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clockwork_Jackal)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2454 "2007-06-22T04:07:15Z")
Go town! I totally thought the recruit was **Cookies** , so what do I know? ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2455 "2007-06-22T04:15:06Z")
Finally I get to be on the winning team! I can’t say that I did much to help our cause, and possibly hindered it, but at least it didn’t result in failure! Muchos kudos to the last of the townies, you done well. ---
**Author:** ![Kyrie\_Eleison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kyrie_eleison/32/7682_2.png) [@Kyrie\_Eleison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyrie_Eleison)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2456 "2007-06-22T04:17:48Z")
Hoorah, town! And a sincere thank you to our moderator and all of the players who made this game fun to play (for two days :smack: ) and to watch. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2457 "2007-06-22T04:22:54Z")
Yay! Wow, this was a crazy two months. I’m glad I have a win to show for it, even if I’m sharing it with the entire town and not just the other Masons. **Diggit and Hal,** you’re awesome. _Didn’t we almost have it all…?_ Many thanks to **Gadarene** , who now needs to share all the behind-the-scenes stuff, like what the hell happened on each of those three nights! Actually, I want to hear stories from everyone, especially that turncoat recruit. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2458 "2007-06-22T04:23:38Z")
Nice play **Diggit** … we almost had you. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2459 "2007-06-22T04:34:19Z")
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail] Yay! Wow, this was a crazy two months. I’m glad I have a win to show for it, even if I’m sharing it with the entire town and not just the other Masons. **Diggit and Hal,** you’re awesome. _Didn’t we almost have it all…?_ Many thanks to **Gadarene** , who now needs to share all the behind-the-scenes stuff, like what the hell happened on each of those three nights! Actually, I want to hear stories from everyone, especially that turncoat recruit. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Well, I’ll give you a quick run down. First no kill night we targetted **Idle Thoughts** (the night he should have died, but didn’t). We did so because we were quite certain he was either a mason or a power role. When that failed, we thought he might have been the doctor, so we decided to target the other potential doctor, **tirial** (who obviously self protected) and at that point we were fairly sure she was the doctor between the two of them, but we still weren’t sure. The next night, because we weren’t 100% sure, weren’t ready to recruit, and didn’t want to waste a kill decided that we’d target neither, so we tried to frame \*\*Hal Briston \*\* by targetting **nesta**. Only did we find out the next night that **Idle Thoughts** should have been dead AND that **nesta** was protected by the zombie Night Watchman and ALSO should technically have been dead. That’s why, when it came down the the recruit, I was debating between **Cookies** and **nesta** ; I pretty much foresaw that it would come down to those two and one of the Masons. So, I decided to pick **nesta** mostly because, I thought at the time he was the third Mason (I knew **Millit** and **Hal** were at that point), and figured if the town thought it was a Mason that was recruited, he’d be the last one that would get killed, and if he was town, it would be either him or \*\*Cookies \*\* that would be the last one that got killed. I had this whole ellaborate plan to get a Mason lynched, but… I didn’t have time to get it into action. Sigh… Darn… SO close. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2007, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2460 "2007-06-22T04:35:46Z")
Oh, and for those not following the forbidden thread: I’ll probably be starting the next game on Monday, for anyone interested. It’s going to be somewhat complex, but I think it will be a lot of fun (at least for me :)). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=122) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=124)