# Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 17, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527 "2007-04-17T21:34:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2007, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/681 "2007-04-25T21:53:12Z")
I agree that we should be cautious about stringing players up just to satisfy our curiosity. Remember that the mafia are going to be killing one of us every night. Now, it’s likely they’ll try to avoid killing players whose deaths will unlock information cascades. But they can’t help but give us more information every night. That said, I’m really curious about what’s inside dnooman’s and Lightning’s crunchy candy shells. Too bad we can’t find out the truth without them ending up, you know, dead. I have no more reason to suspect Lightning this round than I did last round. And overanalysis of the first day and night is almost certain to be misguided, since the mafiosi are almost certainly trying for some misdirection. In other words, the obvious suspects are the least obvious suspects…those who haven’t done much of anything. ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2007, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/682 "2007-04-25T23:00:22Z")
[QUOTE=Lemur866] In other words, the obvious suspects are the least obvious suspects…those who haven’t done much of anything. [/QUOTE] I say lynch the slackers, lynch 'em! …but seriously, I _am_ kind of miffed at the pattern that keeps showing up in this games: you get lots of townies and a few scum who all post frequently, make accusations, defend themselves, and get lynched… while at least some of the mob simply don’t participate, and insulate themselves from suspicion until the endgame. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2007, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/683 "2007-04-25T23:08:30Z")
This is very much a problem for me. If I don’t post much, I’m seen as a lurker and probably scum. If I post more but don’t say much, it’s “fluff” and I’m probably scum. If I just don’t have any suspicions or insight to offer…I’m seen as scum. So it’s a no-win situation for me no matter what I do. I am trying to spot patterns and see what makes me suspicious, but I don’t want to raise suspicions on someone until I think I have something to go on, because I don’t like the idea of lynching an innocent townie. ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2007, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/684 "2007-04-25T23:29:05Z")
[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady] This is very much a problem for me. If I don’t post much, I’m seen as a lurker and probably scum. If I post more but don’t say much, it’s “fluff” and I’m probably scum. If I just don’t have any suspicions or insight to offer…I’m seen as scum. So it’s a no-win situation for me no matter what I do. I am trying to spot patterns and see what makes me suspicious, but I don’t want to raise suspicions on someone until I think I have something to go on, because I don’t like the idea of lynching an innocent townie. [/QUOTE] Well I don’t have any good ideas either, so I like to basically talk my thoughts out in a post. Just looking back to the first day, I either got a few innocents ticked off at me or bumping into a scum-led lynch mob. Either way, it provoked a reaction which gives us that much more information. As townies information is the only thing we have, so it’s really essential to speak out. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/685 "2007-04-26T00:41:34Z")
[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady] This is very much a problem for me. If I don’t post much, I’m seen as a lurker and probably scum. If I post more but don’t say much, it’s “fluff” and I’m probably scum. If I just don’t have any suspicions or insight to offer…I’m seen as scum. So it’s a no-win situation for me no matter what I do. I am trying to spot patterns and see what makes me suspicious, but I don’t want to raise suspicions on someone until I think I have something to go on, because I don’t like the idea of lynching an innocent townie. [/QUOTE] None of us really knows much for sure - except the scum. It’s important to keep hearing everyone’s thoughts. I know, I’m struggling too and we’re all grasping at straws. Just give your thoughts, your suspicions… that’s what the game’s about. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/686 "2007-04-26T01:03:29Z")
[QUOTE=Projammer] That doesn’t strike you as being just a bit too obvious? Taking out someone who had voted for me after that wagon lost its wheels? More likely, and apparently I’m betting my life on this, NAF was targeted because he was arguably the most experienced player in this game and therefor the biggest threat to them. [/QUOTE] **percypercy** had also voted for you and ended up getting lynched; I imagine there were at least a few scum votes in there. ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/687 "2007-04-26T01:31:57Z")
[QUOTE=Lightnin’] What I didn’t say, however, was that of the three, you were the only one who jumped from the bandwagon against me to the bandwagon against **percypercy**. Now, I think that’d be suspicious in and of itself, but now that you’ve voted against me now that **percypercy** is out of the way, I’m going to have to vote **dnooman**. Granted, I’m using insider knowledge here- I know that I’m not Mafia, and therefore I’m suspicious of anyone who accuses me. 🙂 However, I think it’s still suspicious that you were on my bandwagon when it looked like I was going to be lynched, and then when the tide swung **percypercy** ’s direction and it looked like I wasn’t going to be swinging, you hopped onto the next easiest person to frame. [/QUOTE] This is called an OMGUS vote (Oh my god you suck) it means voting for someone who voted for you for that very reason. Not good strategy. So you think that I’m scum, voted for you (you say townie), then when you weren’t gonna swing I voted for another innocent townie in order to secure a town lynch? Does that really sound like good strategy for a scum? If you turn up town that would sure make me look dirty wouldn’t it? Would I want that sort of negative attention if I were in the minority? I’m getting a lot of suspicion thrown my way due to my votes, I’m perfectly fine with that. It’s all about getting the scum to slip up and making determinations from the record after a few roles are known. My reasoning for switching has been stated and I’m not going to pretend that there was any other reason for my switch because lying is bad for the town. **DiggitCamara** really seems to be going after me, we’ll see how that turns out won’t we? ---
**Author:** ![Rachm\_Qoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Rachm\_Qoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachm_Qoch)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/688 "2007-04-26T02:28:07Z")
[QUOTE=tirial] In 477 that was Lighnin’, Projammer and Omi no Kami, all on 3. By 508, after the bandwagon fell apart it was percypercy (6), Projammer (3), Lighnin (2) and Omi No Kami (2) Vote jumps within this set were: **dnooman** (Lightnin to percypercy 495) **CaerieD** (Omi no Kami to Percy Percy 506) [/QUOTE] I don’t know what to think about that – on one end of the spectrum is **CaerieD** , who is pinging town. On the other end are three I’m just not sure about. Using **Lemur866** ’s logic from [post #669](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8506054&postcount=669) exonerates **dnooman** and **CaerieD** only if both **Lightnin’** and **Omi no Kami** are also town. I can’t go that far out on a limb and chalk all four up as townies at this point. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/689 "2007-04-26T02:38:18Z")
[QUOTE=Rachm Qoch] I don’t know what to think about that – on one end of the spectrum is **CaerieD** , who is pinging town. On the other end are three I’m just not sure about. Using **Lemur866** ’s logic from [post #669](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8506054&postcount=669) exonerates **dnooman** and **CaerieD** only if both **Lightnin’** and **Omi no Kami** are also town. I can’t go that far out on a limb and chalk all four up as townies at this point. [/QUOTE] Nope. **Lemur866** ’s logic makes both **Lightnin** ’ and dnooman scum: 1. \*\*dnooman \*\*(clever scum) sees **Lightnin** ’ in trouble. 2. He waits for the moment where, under “cover” of **fluiddruid** ’s (citizen?) post he switches votes, swinging the vote count to help Lightnin’ survive Number 2 didn’t go that well. After all, she FOS-ed Lightnin’ and only said he \*might \* have some power role and dnooman translated that into “he’s probably mason”. Why wouldn’t someone about to be lynched refrain from claiming? Your guess is as good as mine. [QUOTE=Lemur866] So supposing that you’re also a townie, why should the mafia care which of you get strung up? Switching votes to jump on the percypercy bandwagon at the last minute makes no sense, because the mafia and only the mafia knew she was innocent. Not that it’s impossible, just that switching to the innocent percypercy doesn’t help them in any way. The only way it helps is if you are mafia and the other mafia want to make damn sure that no last minute vote change gets you hung. If you’re town, why should they care which of two townies get hung? [/quote] ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/690 "2007-04-26T02:40:51Z")
I’m now back at the Portland airport, attempting resurrection-by-whiskey after 2 days of death-by-powerpoint. My apologies if my posting volume has been sparce, but I should be all clear for the duration of the game. I would not want to be Projammer right now. The legacy left by both of our dearly departed townies does not bode well for him. At this point, I trust in the judgment of the dead more than the judgement of the living. I might be inclined to be looking at **dnooman** right now if it weren’t for the vague suspicions that I have for the people who are in turn suspicious of him. Vote Projammer. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/691 "2007-04-26T02:46:14Z")
It’s late: In my last post I wrote "Number 2 didn’t go that well. After all, she FOS-ed Lightnin’ and only said he might have some power role and dnooman translated that into “he’s probably mason”. " I wanted to write "Number 2 didn’t go that well. After all, **fluiddruid** FOS-ed **Lightnin** ’ and only said he might have some power role and \*\*dnooman \*\* translated that into “he’s probably mason”. " and “Why wouldn’t someone about to be lynched refrain from claiming? Your guess is as good as mine.” when I meant “Why would someone **with a power role** who’s about to be lynched refrain from claiming? Your guess is as good as mine.” ---
**Author:** ![Rachm\_Qoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Rachm\_Qoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachm_Qoch)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/692 "2007-04-26T03:03:25Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] Nope. **Lemur866** ’s logic makes both **Lightnin** ’ and dnooman scum: 1. \*\*dnooman \*\*(clever scum) sees **Lightnin** ’ in trouble. 2. He waits for the moment where, under “cover” of **fluiddruid** ’s (citizen?) post he switches votes, swinging the vote count to help Lightnin’ survive Number 2 didn’t go that well. After all, she FOS-ed Lightnin’ and only said he \*might \* have some power role and dnooman translated that into “he’s probably mason”. Why wouldn’t someone about to be lynched refrain from claiming? Your guess is as good as mine. [/QUOTE] OK, you’re right, that scenario theoretically works. But that leaves me wondering why **dnooman** would go to all that trouble jeopardizing a fellow mafioso on day one when he’s just going to wagon an innocent townie in the end. Before they even had a chance to meet up and rig things, no less. I’d bank on one or the other being Mafia, but probably not both. ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/693 "2007-04-26T03:31:31Z")
[QUOTE=Rachm Qoch] OK, you’re right, that scenario theoretically works. But that leaves me wondering why **dnooman** would go to all that trouble jeopardizing a fellow mafioso on day one when he’s just going to wagon an innocent townie in the end. Before they even had a chance to meet up and rig things, no less. I’d bank on one or the other being Mafia, but probably not both. [/QUOTE] It’s possible one or the other is Mafia, but I have to agree that the chances seem pretty dim for them to both be Mafia. There aren’t going to be any elaborate, Machiavellian conspiracies from the scum on the first day when they haven’t had a night to plot beforehand. They’re only allowed to communicate at night, so at best you’ll see somebody slip up on the first day. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/694 "2007-04-26T03:32:21Z")
[QUOTE=dnooman] This is called an OMGUS vote (Oh my god you suck) it means voting for someone who voted for you for that very reason. Not good strategy. [/QUOTE] Nope, I’m not voting for you _strictly_ because you voted for me, and there’s no OMGUS factor to it. I’m voting for you because you, and the two others I posted, **CaerieD** and **Hal Briston** , were the only three that jumped from one bandwagon to another. You, in particular, jumped from me (the easy lynch) and then to **percypercy**. Now that **percypercy** has been lynched out of the picture, you jumped back to the easy lynch (me). I’m not doing it because you voted against me. I’m doing it because your voting pattern looks scummy. [QUOTE=dnooman] So you think that I’m scum, voted for you (you say townie), then when you weren’t gonna swing I voted for another innocent townie in order to secure a town lynch? Does that really sound like good strategy for a scum? If you turn up town that would sure make me look dirty wouldn’t it? Would I want that sort of negative attention if I were in the minority? [/QUOTE] Sure, it’s a valid strategy. Never initiate votes, but reinforce votes against Townsfolk- that way you don’t look too aggressive. If your first choice looks like it’s not going to happen, go for a backup. Well, since I know that I’m Town, and so was **percypercy** , I’d say that yes- it does make you look dirty, at least to me. _From my point of view, you haven’t voted for anyone but Town_. I realize that I can’t directly convince anyone else of that, of course, but I’m not _trying_ to use that to convince anyone else. [QUOTE=dnooman] I’m getting a lot of suspicion thrown my way due to my votes, I’m perfectly fine with that. [/QUOTE] Ultimately speaking, voting patterns are the only information we have to draw from- so, yeah, you’re getting a lot of suspicion thrown your way due to your votes. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/695 "2007-04-26T03:51:30Z")
[QUOTE=Lightnin’] …and **Hal Briston** , were the only three that jumped from one bandwagon to another. [/QUOTE] Heh…that would be the way I jumped from the **NAF** bandwagon (“bandwagon” in this case, being defined as “having one vote”) to the **DarkSideCookies** bandwagon (“bandwagon” in this case, being defined as “having zero votes”)? ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/696 "2007-04-26T03:51:52Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] Nope. **Lemur866** ’s logic makes both **Lightnin** ’ and dnooman scum: 1. \*\*dnooman \*\*(clever scum) sees **Lightnin** ’ in trouble. 2. He waits for the moment where, under “cover” of **fluiddruid** ’s (citizen?) post he switches votes, swinging the vote count to help Lightnin’ survive Number 2 didn’t go that well. After all, she FOS-ed Lightnin’ and only said he \*might \* have some power role and dnooman translated that into “he’s probably mason”. Why wouldn’t someone about to be lynched refrain from claiming? Your guess is as good as mine. [/QUOTE] So you think myself and **Lightnin’** are both scum, I vote for him in order to be clever by voting for a fellow Mafia, then decide to join a townie lynch that didn’t even need my vote to kill **percy**? Did you notice that I’m voting for him again? Would I be doing that if I were scum? **Lightnin’** got real quiet right before the day was over, no claim. I’m inclined to think then that he’s definitely not a mason now, and that he’s scum. On preview, if **Lightnin’** gets lynched and turns out to be town, then yes I will have only voted for townies. I don’t have any insider information to prevent me from doing such a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/697 "2007-04-26T03:53:34Z")
Look, to me the main scenario that doesn’t make sense is that both dnooman and Lighting are mafia. But the most likely scenario is that both are town. ---
**Author:** ![nesta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a4c791/32.png) [@nesta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nesta)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/698 "2007-04-26T04:10:07Z")
The question I’ve been asking myself since **percypercy** turned out to be town is why her bandwagon took off when **Projammer’s** stalled so early. If we believe the Mafia had a hand in solidifying the **percypercy** bandwagon (which is an assumption I think is correct) then why didn’t they choose the **Projammer** bandwagon that was already started? I see a few possibilities: a) **Projammer** is scum, and they were ready to jump on the most likely bandwagon so that he wouldn’t be lynched. b) **Projammer** is town, but they were scared that it would lead back to them if they bandwagoned him. c) **Projammer** is town, and they just didn’t think his bandwagon was as likely as **percypercy’s** to go the distance. Starting with option c first, I don’t think this is likely. At the crucial time when votes were falling off of **Lightnin’** **Projammer** had three votes, and was actually a better candidate for the bandwagon. **Projammer’s** bandwagon had me, **NAF1138** , and **percypercy** on it. **NAF1138** was controversial, but had also garnered a little trust. They would have also had my and **NAF1138’s** simul-post analysis of our suspicion for **Projammer** to fall back on as a defense for why they voted for him. They could also be pretty sure that **percypercy** , already a little suspected, would take much of the heat. If I were scum and had to choose a townie to bandwagon, and **Projammer** was town, I would have chosen him. For option b, I think many of the same arguments as option c apply. The only addition is that a few people had openly voiced suspicion of the **Projammer** bandwagon. Notably post [449](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8492595&postcount=449) where **Idle Thoughts** says this: [QUOTE=Idle Thoughts] This sudden (seeming) bandwagon on **Projammer** is opening up new suspicions to me. I, personally, haven’t seen anything weird with him (her?). I’ve read over all the past posts that people linked too but I just don’t see the intentions that some seem to be attributing to them. Granted people said the same thing about things I found off with **fluidruid** , so maybe it’s just what one interprets from one’s own POV. The only odd thing I saw him make was the whole masons will be against townies post that **nesta** pointed out. Other than that though, nothing hits me. I’m going to start keeping my eye on his posts more, that’s for sure…but for right now I’m a bit more leery of those suddenly rushing in to vote for him then him himself. [/QUOTE] And in post [452](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8492690&postcount=452) **CaerieD** says this: [QUOTE=CaerieD] Oh…dear. I’m not really sure what I think about the rush against **Projammer**. It seems a bit out of left field, which makes me think scum, but **NAF1138** ’s points seem solid. The vote just seems so _sudden_. I’m hoping there’s going to be some defense from **Projammer** and more explanation from those casting votes in that direction. After that, I’m a bit suspicious of those three. [/QUOTE] And in post [461](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8493151&postcount=461) **dnooman** says this: [QUOTE=dnooman] **percypercy** has only voted for people that other people have voted for, plus there is next to nothing in his/her posts. The **Projammer** wagon needs to stop and be inspected IMO. [/QUOTE] So there were a few people who thought the **Projammer** bandwagon was suspicious and needed to be stopped. We aren’t sure if some of them might be scum, though, trying to halt it before it started. Assuming they were all town for a moment, it might have given the Mafia players pause. I don’t know. I do keep having to remember that the **Mafia** wasn’t able to talk and give each other advice before day 1, so each of them was flying blind about what the others were going to do. If **Projammer** is scum I find it hard to believe that when **Lightnin’** was suddenly losing votes that at least one of them wouldn’t have picked the **Projammer** bandwagon to jump onto, if only to spread out the votes a little and hope to convince other townies to join them. This is why I think option a, that **Projammer** is scum, is the most likely, and the **Lightnin’** and **percypercy** bandwagons were just “anyone but **Projammer** ” bandwagons of opportunity. To refresh everyone’s memory of my original suspicion of **Projammer** I outlined it in post [443](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8492458&postcount=443). **NAF1138’s** voicing of the same suspicions is the next post. The way yesterday ended has only strengthened my suspicion of **Projammer**. Vote **Projammer**. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/699 "2007-04-26T04:50:10Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] I would not want to be Projammer right now. The legacy left by both of our dearly departed townies does not bode well for him. At this point, I trust in the judgment of the dead more than the judgement of the living. I might be inclined to be looking at **dnooman** right now if it weren’t for the vague suspicions that I have for the people who are in turn suspicious of him. Vote Projammer. [/QUOTE] Color removed. And your grabbing at a flimsy straw as an excuse to vote for me earns you an FOS ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies. If this day ends badly and I am lynched, this will come back to bite you. Percy getting killed was just an unfortunate circumstance of her posting. Or lack thereof. And NAF was the only reasonable target the first night considerering his skill and experience. That both of them had voted for me is a two birds with one stone win for the mafia. They only have to make slight nudges to convince the town to take out another one of their own. ---
**Author:** ![dnooman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/839c29/32.png) [@dnooman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dnooman)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2007, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/700 "2007-04-26T04:53:21Z")
**nesta’s** last post made a whole lot of sense to me. Taking that into account, plus the people that have voted for both **Lightnin’** and **Projammer** I think I’m more comfortable being in the company of those voting for **Projammer**. unvote **Lightnin’** I’ll wait to see if I feel like making an official vote for **Projammer** after hearing what he has to say in his defense. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=36)