# Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 17, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527 "2007-04-17T21:34:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/81 "2007-04-18T18:36:56Z")
**glee:** Mais oui! (Hee. That rhymed.) ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/82 "2007-04-18T18:41:30Z")
(huff huff huff) Thank God. I’ve just run over here from the next town over, and we’re being overrun by mafia and serial killers! This town looks like a nice, peaceful, calm place where I can be safe from…oh hell. Is that place with the werewolves still around? OK, I promise I won’t do that again. Seriously, go town! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/83 "2007-04-18T18:54:24Z")
Just testing out my new signature. Hope people find it helpful! ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/84 "2007-04-18T19:04:46Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] Just testing out my new signature. Hope people find it helpful! [/QUOTE] Now THAT is a good idea. Wish I had thought of it. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/85 "2007-04-18T19:20:43Z")
That is a good idea! Maybe you can add a second line to it, too, and list “Day 1” “Day 2” and so on with links to the kills / updated player lists, if it’s not too much trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/86 "2007-04-18T19:23:31Z")
> [@](#): > > That is a good idea! Maybe you can add a second line to it, too, and list “Day 1” “Day 2” and so on with links to the kills / updated player lists, if it’s not too much trouble. That’s certainly doable; we’ll see how diligent I am. 🙂 Only waiting for seven confirmations, by my count, and then the game can begin. (Is there a way to automatically display your signature?) ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/87 "2007-04-18T19:43:14Z")
Wow, in by the skin of my teeth. Good way to spend days, though, that need time fillers/wasting. Thank you for starting up another game. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/88 "2007-04-18T19:43:43Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] (Is there a way to automatically display your signature?) [/QUOTE] No, TPTB have it set to “off” as the default. Oddly enough, it’s set to “on” in the private messages section, though. Speaking of PMs – you seven slackers, make with the replies already! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/89 "2007-04-18T19:44:40Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] **glee:** Mais oui! (Hee. That rhymed.) [/QUOTE] Ah bon. Vous parlez francais. 🙂 Je pense que … only kidding! 1. Who wins if all the Mafia are eliminated and the non-Masons / Masons are equal in number? 2. I understand that the Mafia recruitment is secret (post 68). If the Mafia exercise their option and happen to recruit a Mason, do the other Masons realise what has happened (if one of their number is suddenly both Mason and Mafia)? 3. I assume Mafia recuitment does **not** take place where the Town Watchman can possibly block it, right? (as he can a kill) 4. Can the Doctor block a Mafia recruitment? (as he can a kill) 5. Assuming neither the Town Watchman nor the Doctor can block recruitment: if the Mafia choose a Do-Gooder and thus fail, they know their victim is a Do-Gooder, right? 6. Can a joint Mason / Mafia win if either: - the Mafia win? - the Masons win? - the Town win? 1. Does the Town Watchman know when he’s blocked a Mafia kill? Do the Mafia know when this happens? ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/90 "2007-04-18T19:47:25Z")
1. Can the Mafia kill the Town Watchman? (Because he’s automatically guarding the area he’s in!) ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/91 "2007-04-18T19:53:05Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] It’s moments before dawn for og’s sake people! This is no time to drink margaritas. That is time for whiskey! [/QUOTE] I thought moments before dawn was when you had your Bloody Mary? Oh well, just to be safe I’ll have the Bloody Mary _and_ the whiskey. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/92 "2007-04-18T19:57:03Z")
[QUOTE=CaerieD] I thought moments before dawn was when you had your Bloody Mary? Oh well, just to be safe I’ll have the Bloody Mary _and_ the whiskey. [/QUOTE] Good call, better safe than sorry. What the hell throw in a margarita too. Rocks with salt please! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/93 "2007-04-18T20:02:45Z")
**glee:** Excellent questions! > [@](#): > > 1. Who wins if all the Mafia are eliminated and the non-Masons / Masons are equal in number? The Town as a whole does. The Masons only claim sole victory if there are more of them than there are non-Masons once the Mafia is gone. > [@](#): > > 1. I understand that the Mafia recruitment is secret (post 68). If the Mafia exercise their option and happen to recruit a Mason, do the other Masons realise what has happened (if one of their number is suddenly both Mason and Mafia)? Nope. And because the Masons can’t talk outside the game thread, the only way they’ll find out is if the Town finds out. Of course, the Mason Mafioso is free to tell the Mafia who his or her fellow Masons are, to the extent that that will help them. > [@](#): > > 1. I assume Mafia recuitment does not take place where the Town Watchman can possibly block it, right? (as he can a kill) Correct. The Mafia has its ways. > [@](#): > > 1. Can the Doctor block a Mafia recruitment? (as he can a kill) Nope! > [@](#): > > 1. Assuming neither the Town Watchman nor the Doctor can block recruitment: if the Mafia choose a Do-Gooder and thus fail, they know their victim is a Do-Gooder, right? Correct. Of course, even if the Mafia’s attempted recruitment fails, they don’t get another one. > [@](#): > > 1. Can a joint Mason / Mafia win if either: > > - the Mafia win? > - the Masons win? > - the Town win? Hmm. Yes, yes, and no. That is, the Mason Mafioso’s Mafia status overrides his loyalty to the Town, but not his loyalty to the Masons. > [@](#): > > 1. Does the Town Watchman know when he’s blocked a Mafia kill? > Do the Mafia know when this happens? No and no. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/94 "2007-04-18T20:04:14Z")
> [@](#): > > 1. Can the Mafia kill the Town Watchman? (Because he’s automatically guarding the area he’s in!) Heh. Yes. Assuming they don’t choose to do the deed in the same area he’s patrolling, they can just pick him off en route. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/95 "2007-04-18T20:16:39Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] **glee:** Excellent questions! [/quote] Thank you! [QUOTE=Gadarene] The Town as a whole does. The Masons only claim sole victory if there are more of them than there are non-Masons once the Mafia is gone. [/quote] You’ll need to change a few words in your Citizen description to make this clear. 🙂 [QUOTE=Gadarene] Heh. Yes. Assuming they don’t choose to do the deed in the same area he’s patrolling, they can just pick him off en route. [/QUOTE] This is a wonderful concept! 🆒 “Fred the Night Watchman headed for the Railroad Tracks. Sadly he was not alert on the way and as he passed the Town Hall a shadowy figure sprang from the darkness and snuffed out the loyal Citizen.” ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/96 "2007-04-18T20:27:31Z")
When are those bastards going to answer their private messages? I’d put them on my list if I knew who they were. Note people, this isn’t an email, but an SDMB private message. Go to your UserCP up at the top of the page and look for private messages. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/97 "2007-04-18T20:29:48Z")
So just to be clear, if the Mafia vote to kill a player at a location, and the person they vote to kill is the night watchman, he’ll be safe if he patrolled the location they chose to kill him in, being alert and all, but killed if he patrolled another location. Is that right? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/98 "2007-04-18T20:32:03Z")
In alphabetical order, I’m still waiting to hear from: Achren Millit the Frail Omi No Kami percussion Projammer Several of them posted in this thread for the first time yesterday evening here on the East Coast, so maybe there are work/timezone issues. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/99 "2007-04-18T20:35:26Z")
**glee:** > [@](#): > > You’ll need to change a few words in your Citizen description to make this clear. Whoops, right you are. Hopefully people won’t be too confused by that. **Lemur866:** > [@](#): > > So just to be clear, if the Mafia vote to kill a player at a location, and the person they vote to kill is the night watchman, he’ll be safe if he patrolled the location they chose to kill him in, being alert and all, but killed if he patrolled another location. Is that right? That’s right. (As an aside, I confess that I don’t know whether other versions of Mafia have had the Night Watchman role or not. I expect they would, but I came up with it independently, so I truly hope it works out all right.) ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/100 "2007-04-18T20:41:09Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] In alphabetical order, I’m still waiting to hear from: Achren Millit the Frail Omi No Kami percussion Projammer Several of them posted in this thread for the first time yesterday evening here on the East Coast, so maybe there are work/timezone issues. [/QUOTE] I already replied! OK, I’ll try again. if not, can you consider this my acceptance of entrance into the game? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=6)