# Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 17, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527 "2007-04-17T21:34:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/101 "2007-04-18T20:42:34Z")
> [@](#): > > I already replied! OK, I’ll try again. if not, can you consider this my acceptance of entrance into the game? Absolutely! I just got your PM. Only four more confirmations to go. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/102 "2007-04-18T20:59:34Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] **glee:** Whoops, right you are. Hopefully people won’t be too confused by that. **Lemur866:** That’s right. (As an aside, I confess that I don’t know whether other versions of Mafia have had the Night Watchman role or not. I expect they would, but I came up with it independently, so I truly hope it works out all right.) [/QUOTE] Can we just make it easy and say that masons have to be at -1 in relation to the town at endgame? I can see that slip in the language becoming a HUGE headache later on. And the night watchman idea is super cool, and not one that I have heard of before. So double points to you, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/103 "2007-04-18T21:09:36Z")
**NAF:** > [@](#): > > Can we just make it easy and say that masons have to be at -1 in relation to the town at endgame? I can see that slip in the language becoming a HUGE headache later on. I dunno; thanks to **glee** , it was caught and cleared up. What I’ll do is make a revised rules post which fixes the wording, and link to that in my signature instead. I think that should solve it. > [@](#): > > And the night watchman idea is super cool, and not one that I have heard of before. So double points to you, sir. Thanks! 🙂 Also, **Projammer** has confirmed. Only three to go. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/104 "2007-04-18T21:12:11Z")
Just got back from the post office. Hey barkeep! Jack and Coke! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/105 "2007-04-18T21:20:22Z")
All righty. Below are the roles for this go-round, as well as general gameplay guidelines. Please listen carefully as the menu options have changed. **Citizens** – Honest, hard-working, and basically good at heart (except for the duplicitous scum, of course), these townspeople must band together to reclaim their idyllic community from the Mafia scourge that has already plagued two neighboring villages. Although they go their separate ways at night, citizens have taken to meeting at the town hall during the day to try to identify the murderers in their midst. Mob justice rules the day, and a majority vote to lynch someone allows the citizens to take matters into their own hands. In addition, if a majority of the citizenry votes not to kill anyone, the town’s blood-lust will subside and no one will be lynched that day. The Town wins if all Mafia members have been eliminated and if there at least as many non-Masons as there are Masons (see below). **Mafia** – O foul villainy! This is a shadowy collective of evil-doers who meet under the cover of darkness, plotting to take over the town through a systematic campaign of murder and fear (but mostly murder). By day they pass as ordinary citizens. By night they convene to decide who, if anyone, they will kill. Important: In addition to choosing a target, the Mafia must decide where the target will be killed (out of six possible locales provided below). If the Mafia chooses unwisely, its homicidal plans may be thwarted that night. Also Important: Once (and only once) during the game, the Mafia may decide to forego its murderous business and instead recruit a given townsperson into its fold. Once recruited, the townsperson becomes a made man (or woman) and a full-fledged Mafia member. The Mafia wins if, at the end of a day, it outnumbers the townspeople. There are a handful of Mafia. **Masons** – Another shadowy sect, the Masons are as anti-Mafia as they come. Members of the Masons are known to each other, although they may not communicate outside of the game. They harbor secret dreams of world domination, but they’re willing to start small: if the number of Masons is greater than the number of non-Mason citizens once all the Mafia have been eliminated, the Masons claim victory over the Town. Otherwise, the Masons share in the Town’s victory and save their conspiratorial machinations for another day. There are a handful of Masons. If a Mason is recruited to the Mafia’s side, he or she remains a Mason as well as a member of the Mafia, and will win if the victory conditions are met for the Mafia or the Masons (but _not_ the Town). A Mafioso Mason’s Mafia status overrides his loyalty to the Town, but not his loyalty to the Masons. **Do-Gooders** – Steely eyed and pure of heart, these stout folk are ordinary townspeople like you and me (okay, like you). Due to their thoroughly virtuous nature, however, they are incorruptible and may not be recruited to the Mafia’s side. There are two Do-Gooders. **Doctor** – The Doctor may choose one person each night to protect from harm, including himself. There is one Doctor. **Detective** – The Detective may investigate one person each night. These investigations will always be accurate; the Detective’s just that damn good. There is one Detective. If the Detective is recruited to the Mafia’s side, he or she becomes corrupt and may investigate on behalf of the Mafia. **Night Watchman** – While most citizens are tucked snugly in bed, the Night Watchman patrols the town, alert to suspicious behavior. Unfortunately, there’s only one Night Watchman, and he or she can’t be everywhere at once. Thus, every evening the Night Watchman chooses one area of town to patrol: the Wharf, the Village Green, the Abandoned Factory, the Railroad Tracks, the Town Hall, or the Tavern. If the Night Watchman patrols the area in which the Mafia have decided to make their kill, no murder will take place that night. All of these roles will be included in the game. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/106 "2007-04-18T21:22:59Z")
**Achren** has confirmed. We’re just waiting for **percussion** and **Omi No Kami**. ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/107 "2007-04-18T21:25:43Z")
[QUOTE=Lemur866] When are those bastards going to answer their private messages? I’d put them on my list if I knew who they were. Note people, this isn’t an email, but an SDMB private message. Go to your UserCP up at the top of the page and look for private messages. [/QUOTE] Dude, chill. I was lunching and seeing a movie. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/108 "2007-04-18T21:45:05Z")
[QUOTE=Lemur866] When are those bastards going to answer their private messages? I’d put them on my list if I knew who they were. Note people, this isn’t an email, but an SDMB private message. Go to your UserCP up at the top of the page and look for private messages. [/QUOTE] Actually, in my case at least, it wasn’t enabled automatically. I had to edit my “options” and enable the Private Messaging section. (and, luckily, I received an e-mail as well) 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/109 "2007-04-18T21:46:47Z")
[QUOTE=Achren] Dude, chill. I was lunching and seeing a movie. [/QUOTE] - \\* Hmmm…“seeing a movie”? Sounds like some sort of mob euphemism to me… ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/110 "2007-04-18T21:49:28Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] We’re just waiting for **percussion** and **Omi No Kami**. [/QUOTE] Why are we waiting for **percussion**? Did you just tell a joke? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/111 "2007-04-18T21:50:01Z")
Ouch. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/112 "2007-04-18T21:58:29Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] - \\* Hmmm…“seeing a movie”? Sounds like some sort of mob euphemism to me… [/QUOTE] It was probably _Scarface_. Digitally remastered, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/113 "2007-04-18T22:05:44Z")
All right, I’m off to dinner now. If both **percussion** and **Omi No Kami** haven’t confirmed by the time I get home this evening (which should be around 9:30 pm EST), I’ll strongly consider starting the day anyway (and eventually substituting for them if they continue to be absent). Either way, the day will probably start sometime tonight! …Erm, you know what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/114 "2007-04-18T22:18:42Z")
[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts] It was probably _Scarface_. Digitally remastered, of course. [/QUOTE] I don’t know if it was the movie itself or the multiple coke-and-rums, but I found it hard to follow the plot. To this day all I remember is “Say hello to my little friend” and I think I only remember _that_ because of the multiple pop references. (For the record, I saw _300_.) ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/115 "2007-04-18T22:50:18Z")
Alright, I just replied! Hopefully that’ll do it. ^^ I’m afraid I don’t drink… I guess I’ll just have to restrict myself to sitting with my back to a wall and starting at shadows. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/116 "2007-04-18T22:52:52Z")
[QUOTE=Omi no Kami] I’m afraid I don’t drink… I guess I’ll just have to restrict myself to sitting with my back to a wall and starting at shadows. [/QUOTE] Not drinking is a scum tell! \*\* FOS Omi no Kami! \*\* ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/117 "2007-04-18T22:53:27Z")
Finger of Sobriety… ---
**Author:** ![Omi\_no\_Kami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a88e4f/32.png) [@Omi\_no\_Kami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omi_no_Kami)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/118 "2007-04-18T22:55:31Z")
Eek! Lemme tell you, it’s alchohol that got us in to this mess! Why, I’ll bet half the bars we drink in are owned by the mob! Just think about it: ice, icepicks, booze… the three things any self-respecting hitman needs to do his job. Oh, by the by Gadarene, are you going to give us guesstimates of the number of scum, or should we go digging through our books about angels dancing on needles to figure out the precise numeric definition of “a handful”? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Achren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/898d66/32.png) [@Achren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achren)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/119 "2007-04-18T22:59:20Z")
[QUOTE=Omi no Kami] Alright, I just replied! Hopefully that’ll do it. ^^ I’m afraid I don’t drink… I guess I’ll just have to restrict myself to sitting with my back to a wall and starting at shadows. [/QUOTE] I just put in an order for chips and hot sauce myself (mmm, hot sauce). Feel free to have some, if you like. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/120 "2007-04-18T23:00:28Z")
I’m going in for fried shrimp to soak up the margaritas I plan to have when I get back. Do we need more limes? Salt?? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=7)