# Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 17, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527 "2007-04-17T21:34:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 77
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1521 "2007-05-16T16:09:23Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] I do not think that post means what you think it means… [/QUOTE] Who you talkin’ to, **CTTDSWHC**? ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1522 "2007-05-16T16:10:30Z")
:smack: Gadrene SnakesCatLady has not voted for herself. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1523 "2007-05-16T16:12:08Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] **Updated Vote Count** 2 – **Lightnin’** (DiggitCamara, Millit the Frail) 2 – **CaerieD** (Lightnin’, SnakesCatLady) 2 – **SnakesCatLady** (Idle Thoughts, SnakesCatLady) 1 – **nesta** (Hal Briston) [/QUOTE] I didn’t vote for myself because I know I’m not scum. I’m also not allowed two votes! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1524 "2007-05-16T16:16:22Z")
Picky picky! The first vote count I get even remotely wrong, and do I get cut any slack? No sir, I do not. Tough crowd. 😛 **Corrected Updated Vote Count** 2 – Lightnin’ (DiggitCamara, Millit the Frail) 2 – CaerieD (Lightnin’, SnakesCatLady) 2 – SnakesCatLady (Idle Thoughts, CaerieD) 1 – nesta (Hal Briston) ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1525 "2007-05-16T16:52:35Z")
Now I’m left wondering what Gadarene would do if we _did_ start voting for ourselves… ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1526 "2007-05-16T16:56:54Z")
> [@](#): > > Now I’m left wondering what Gadarene would do if we did start voting for ourselves… Depends on whether or not you could get enough people to go along with you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1527 "2007-05-16T16:58:45Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] Depends on whether or not you could get enough people to go along with you. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Ahh, I’ll keep that in mind for the next game. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1528 "2007-05-16T17:09:15Z")
ummm… a question for **Gadarene** (sorry if it has been asked before) Can the scum communicate during the day in their secret thread? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1529 "2007-05-16T17:10:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Can the scum communicate during the day in their secret thread? Nope. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1530 "2007-05-16T17:27:48Z")
[QUOTE=Hal Briston] So, my wondering if role assignments were random was in some way a scum tell, _even though it has come out that some GMs **don’t** randomly assign_? Ohhhh-kay then. [/QUOTE] At the time that I made your favorite post (Page 9, #426), I was not aware that GMs sometimes manually assign roles, and I was apparently not alone in my ignorance. **tirial** validates my observation shortly thereafter in post #428. I also nterpreted **nesta’s** more recent post as another validation of my gut reaction \* at the time that I made the post\*, i.e. prior to the revelation that GMs do indeed assign roles manually. **nesta** then goes on to say that it was your reaction to my suspicion that he found curiously over-dramatic. ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1531 "2007-05-16T17:59:39Z")
Going mainly by patterns: The simple option has Blastermaster, CaerieD, Lightnin and Rachm Qoch as the remaining scum suspects. The complicated option has Idle Thoughts, Hal Briston, Lemur866, and fluiddruid (rigd - Rest In Great Discomfort) as scum suspects. I have absolutely no clue which one is right, if any, if at all. The truth is probably somewhere in between. I’m tempted to vote for **Lightnin’** because I did on Day two, and he’s only really given more ammuniton since. On the other hand, that’s the lazy option. How long until the day ends? I’ve got reading to do. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1532 "2007-05-16T18:10:11Z")
> [@](#): > > How long until the day ends? I’ve got reading to do. Tomorrow at around 7 p.m. my time. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1533 "2007-05-16T18:18:13Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] **nesta** then goes on to say that it was your reaction to my suspicion that he found curiously over-dramatic. [/QUOTE] Understood. I personally disagree, but I understand. Thing is, that was the first thing in this game that really, _really_ jumped out at me, so I grabbed onto it. While going back through posts, it seems to me that was the only thing I had going against you. The basis for all the…what did you call them? Pokes? Jabs? Either way, that’s probably where they stem from. I don’t think I’ve found anything since, so you’re rapidly falling off my scumdar. Trouble is, the bit about whether or not a GM would go non-random is no longer up for debate, and **nesta** knew that. However, he still brought up that even questioning it was odd. That is simply not the case. The only way it even becomes anywhere near worth mentioning is if **nesta** is scum attempting to push further suspicion my way. Very clever move on the mafia’s part, actually. Just hope no one gets suckered by it. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1534 "2007-05-16T18:19:25Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] Tomorrow at around 7 p.m. my time. [/QUOTE] Ah, I thought it was today at 7PM. Hence my panic! Still, I hope we can have a lot of good productive discussion before the lynch is upon us. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1535 "2007-05-16T18:22:48Z")
> [@](#): > > Ah, I thought it was today at 7PM. Hence my panic! Whoops. :smack: Upon further review, you’re [absolutely right.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8566928&postcount=1401) Better alert folk to that. **The day ends in four and a half hours. Just FYI.** Thanks, **Millit**. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1536 "2007-05-16T18:23:44Z")
[QUOTE=tirial] Going mainly by patterns: The simple option has Blastermaster, CaerieD, Lightnin and Rachm Qoch as the remaining scum suspects. The complicated option has Idle Thoughts, Hal Briston, Lemur866, and fluiddruid (rigd - Rest In Great Discomfort) as scum suspects. [/QUOTE] Did I miss something? I thought we didn’t know how many Mafia exist in the game. I’ve been kind of working on the assumption that we started with four (which would leave us with three, unless there’s been a recruitment)- but that’s probably because I read someone else’s guess much earlier on. [QUOTE=tirial] I’m tempted to vote for **Lightnin’** because I did on Day two, and he’s only really given more ammuniton since. [/QUOTE] So basically, you didn’t even read my answers to your questions. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1537 "2007-05-16T18:25:26Z")
Ah, I should add… I’m going to be out of town Thursday night through Saturday morning for an interview. This time I’ll be in the States, though, so my phone _might_ allow me to read the thread and add small posts. Man, I really need a laptop. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1538 "2007-05-16T18:28:39Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] Whoops. :smack: Upon further review, you’re [absolutely right.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8566928&postcount=1401) Better alert folk to that. **The day ends in four and a half hours. Just FYI.** Thanks, **Millit**. [/QUOTE] Oh, God! Panic!! :eek: Only SEVEN people have voted. This is not good. More than half of the votes **have yet** to come in. The scum could totally pull something now. They could tip the scales in favor of any of our “nominees,” as no one has more than two votes right now. Or someone could go from zero to eight by nightfall. In any case, I’m going to be in class when IT happens. Oh, the agony! I’m standing on my vote for **Lightnin’.** Tread carefully…but please vote! ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1539 "2007-05-16T18:31:57Z")
Bah. I was thinking we had till tomorrow too. I’m going to have to throw my vote in for **Lightnin’**. With the top three people in the current vote tally already on my watch list, it came down to a preference of voting bedfellows. Choosing **CarieD** or **SnakesCatLady** would have put me in cahoots with some of the very same folks that am watching. Time will tell if this will prove to be wise, dumb, or lucky. ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1540 "2007-05-16T19:20:44Z")
[QUOTE=Lightnin’] Did I miss something? I thought we didn’t know how many Mafia exist in the game. I’ve been kind of working on the assumption that we started with four (which would leave us with three, unless there’s been a recruitment)- but that’s probably because I read someone else’s guess much earlier on. [/QUOTE] You seem to have missed every post in the game refering to the number of mafia as 4-6. This is because less than 4 and the mafia usually don’t win, and more than 6 and they normally always win. Allowing for the recuit, this makes 4 or 5 the most likely starting number. With one gone, and a possible recruit the number is likely to be anywhere between 3 and 5. Also you missed the fact I said “scum suspects” not scum, because I was flagging up the highest options in each case, not making definitive pronouncements. [QUOTE=Lightnin’] So basically, you didn’t even read my answers to your questions. [/QUOTE] Read them. You didn’t answer the questions about why you were incriminating yourself, or even whether you understood how your actions could be taken as incriminating. And from your earlier post: [QUOTE=Lightnin’] “Now that it’s been revealed that FD was Scum, I’m switching back to my initial suspect, CaerieD.” [/QUOTE] Can you understand why I might do the same thing? My Day Two target was you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=76) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=78)