# Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 17, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527 "2007-04-17T21:34:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 86
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1701 "2007-05-21T02:18:48Z")
[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts] Hahaha. I think you’re trying to do it again **SCL** being as I also suspect **Lemur** yet suspect (as you know :p) you. Tricky tricky! [/QUOTE] I don’t think there is anything I can do to take your suspicion off of me. I’ve given up trying. I am simply trying to do the most good for the town I can. ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1702 "2007-05-21T02:26:28Z")
Does anyone have anything to say about **Blaster Master**? I don’t mean to be pushy, but it seems like we need some real play-by-play analysis going on in order to really indict anyone. I’m not feeling these “scummy vibe” or “one of the people in this list has to be scum” arguments. I feel kind of in a rut, and without our detective, there’s nothing _real_ in this game to go on. No one (on our side) actually KNOWS anything. So we’re just throwing darts around without any real strategy or logic. Yesterday felt almost like the first day again, and today’s even worse. I strongly suspect that we need a new tactic, but every time I post anything based on voting records/voting order, it gets a stony silence. (Maybe it’s the frailty…) Does anyone want to hear more about **Blaster Master**? It’ll take some time, so I’ll only do it if it’s worth my while. Otherwise, I’m probably going to take the easy road out and vote for **SnakesCatLady**. On preview: Sorry, **SCL** , but no one has me convinced enough to vote for anyone else, and **fluiddruid** made you look really, really bad. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1703 "2007-05-21T02:32:56Z")
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail] On preview: Sorry, **SCL** , but no one has me convinced enough to vote for anyone else, and **fluiddruid** made you look really, really bad. [/QUOTE] Of course she did. She was scum, and I am town. The more townies lynch each other, the more likely the scum are to win. I’m resigned, but I will keep adding my thoughts and suspicions until the end. No hard feelings; this is only a game. One I would like the town to win, but still just a game. I would like to hear your thoughts on **BlasterMaster**. I never noticed him much until the vote-unvote-vote-unvote thing on **fluiddruid** during Day 3, and he kind of slipped away from notice again after that. Which is suspicious of itself. ---
**Author:** ![Rachm\_Qoch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a8b319/32.png) [@Rachm\_Qoch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rachm_Qoch)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1704 "2007-05-21T02:49:19Z")
[QUOTE=CaerieD] [Color removed.] Yeah, that’s what it looked like to me, too. Not every third vote is necessarily scummy, but that one seemed very…off. I’d noticed it as a bit odd the first time around, but when I went back and re-read it I really paid attention to where it was in the middle of that discussion. A few minutes had gone by between posts so it seems likely that **Lemur866** had seen the discussion between you and **Idle Thoughts**. I don’t know if I’m going to vote off of that just yet, but I thought I’d throw it out there and see what others were thinking. [/QUOTE] That played a good part in my renewed suspicion of him. He stated that he had harbored suspicions of **SnakesCatsLady** for a while, but never addressed those between his vote for her early on and yesterday. I think there’s a chance there’s scum in the **Lightnin** voting block (ie **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** , **nesta** , **Millit the Frail** , or **DiggitCamara** ), in one of yesterday’s vote leaders, and maybe one or more of the careful votes at the end. In retrospect, **Hal** ’s single vote for **nesta** isn’t as suspicious, as she apparently was trying to provoke a response there. But **Lemur866** hasn’t really said much to allay my suspicions of him from Days 4 and 5. So **vote Lemur866**. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1705 "2007-05-21T05:14:06Z")
Hi everyone. I wanted to check in before I start reading. I haven’t really paid attention to this game so far (I heard there was an opening in this game over in the pirate game). I’m going to try to be fully caught up later tonight. At worse it’ll be tomorrow. Also, I’m a he 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1706 "2007-05-21T06:03:57Z")
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail] Does anyone want to hear more about **Blaster Master**? It’ll take some time, so I’ll only do it if it’s worth my while. Otherwise, I’m probably going to take the easy road out and vote for **SnakesCatLady**. [/QUOTE] I’d definitely be interested in hearing your views on Blastermaster. ---
**Author:** ![zuma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9c0ed/32.png) [@zuma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zuma)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1707 "2007-05-21T11:39:57Z")
Oh lord. What have I gotten myself into? I’ve made my way through almost half the thread so far, and will finish up tomorrow… ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1708 "2007-05-21T13:59:47Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] Oh lord. What have I gotten myself into? I’ve made my way through almost half the thread so far, and will finish up tomorrow… [/QUOTE] I think the day ends tonight, so you may have to introduce yourself at the bar… So far the suspects I can see are: Blastermaster - for the votes that killed projammer one Day 3 and percypercy on Day One CaerieD - for the votes following up from Blastermaster that contributed to both Rachm Qoch - For intially starting following CaerieD’s lead (including the two “met too” posts) SnakesCatLady - For voting consistantly for fluiddruid and having fluiddruid finger her as an opponent\* Lemur866 - The “you all” post, and the fact he was named twice by fluiddruid as suspicious - once when fluiddruid was not in danger of lynching Omi No kami/zuma - the failure to post, then to give final votes, and then threatening to sub. \*No I don’t get this one - I can see how it might be a bluff by **fluiddruid** , but there are stronger tells. If \*\*SnakesCatLady \*\* is suspicious because fluiddruid said the town should go after her as a double bluff, why aren’t the people fluiddruid named twice ( **Omi No Kami/zuma** and **Lemur866** ) even more suspicous? I’ll be blunt and say at the moment my vote is pulled between **Lemur866** , **Blastermaster** and **CaerieD** , but I’m just not happy enough about the case with CaerieD to vote for her - its possible if Blastermaster is scum she’s a townie following his lead, or that if \*\*RachM Qoch \*\* is scum he was using her as a convenient shield. It also possible that none of them are. BTW, **Idle Thoughts** > [@](#): > > Well, I’m flattered and honored that you feel you can trust me. Really, makes me feel kinda special. And while I’m glad I’ve garnered your trust and, in no way feel this off game wise…I think you’re strong scum.SO! How are you today? > Haha, but seriously now. Sorry I can’t return the trust, but the game is the game. I’m sure you understand. Heck, maybe I’m doing the mafia’s job for them. But I don’t feel it. _shrugs_ Not at all. > [@](#): > > Hahaha I think you’re trying to do it again SCL being as I also suspect Lemur yet suspect (as you know) you. > > Tricky tricky! Are you on the happy pills? Surely this isn’t the same analysis posting, probably-a-nightmare-to-defend-against, experienced player that I remember posting earlier in the game!? Nothing personal, but I think I’ll go and look at analysis from someone who isn’t laughing manically… (And it seems to be much easier to follow the game when you’ve stopped caring about your job…) **Gadarene** - any chance of a vote count? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1709 "2007-05-21T14:01:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Gadarene - any chance of a vote count? Yeah, gimme a li’l bit. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1710 "2007-05-21T14:18:56Z")
First of all, welcome **Zuma**. [QUOTE=SnakesCatLady] I would like to hear your thoughts on **BlasterMaster**. I never noticed him much until the vote-unvote-vote-unvote thing on fluiddruid during Day 3, and he kind of slipped away from notice again after that. Which is suspicious of itself. [/QUOTE] Really? You hadn’t noticed me? Admittedly, I haven’t been as vocal as **tirial** and **Idle Thoughts** , but I sure as heck haven’t been quiet. Because my actions on day 3 are drawing heat from misrepresentation, allow me to clarify: I initially voted to lynch fluiddruid on day three in [post 902](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8524077&postcount=902) (somehow conveniently dropped from Millit’s analysis of me???) I unvoted in [post 922](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8525348&postcount=922) because there was an angle that I had not considered. Was I less suspicious of **fluiddruid**? No, but I wasn’t about to leave a vote there and let a bandwagon run away on what I perceived as shaky ground. I revoted **fluiddruid** in [post 1055](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8537064&postcount=1055) after re-evaluating and thinking the day was over. Admittedly, up to this point, I’d pretty much been taking people at their word about the potential breadcrumbs, and I figured that even though I was slightly more suspicious of **Projammer** , since it was possible that we was a pro-town breadcrumb, and that **fluiddruid** was a scum-crumb, it only made sense then for that to sway my vote in **fluiddruid** ’s direction. As soon as I posted that vote, I had a bad feeling, so I decided I’d re-read every one of **Kyrie** ’s posts from day 2 to decide on the breadcrumb for myself. So in [post 1062](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8538468&postcount=1062) I laid out the results of that investigation. I can’t say whether or not I was right or wrong, because all of the potential breadcrumbs from **Kyrie** turned out to be right. My main point was, as I outlined when I initially voted for **fluiddruid** , was that I was actually more suspicious of **Projammer** the whole time, but I let all the talk of her potential as a breadcrumb sway my vote, and once I thought it was a low possibility, I went with my stronger suspicion which was, admittedly wrong. Now I’ve got to ask, if my reasoning and voting on day three was SO suspicious, why wasn’t it heavily questioned then, or the next day, or even the day after \*\*fluiddruid \*\* was lynched and I’d “saved” her? If you disagree with my reasoning, inside of the information that we all had at the time, then challenge my reasoning, but misrepresenting my actions is just…silly. ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1711 "2007-05-21T15:04:13Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Now I’ve got to ask, if my reasoning and voting on day three was SO suspicious, why wasn’t it heavily questioned then, or the next day, or even the day after \*\*fluiddruid \*\* was lynched and I’d “saved” her? If you disagree with my reasoning, inside of the information that we all had at the time, then challenge my reasoning, but misrepresenting my actions is just…silly. [/QUOTE] Strange, I thought I questioned it at the time - not least in P1491 (which you quoted yourself to try to make Lightnin’ look like scum). I thought you were one of the “unreliable” votes for fluiddruid the first day we were after him, but unfortunately that can either mean easily swayed townie or scum, so its not conclusive. No one else seems to have picked up on it, which I suppose means I should really vote for you to draw attention to it - the problem is\*\* lemur866 \*\* looks scummier. (What with the fishing expeditions, “you all comment”, fluiddruid naming him twice, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1712 "2007-05-21T15:05:55Z")
> [@Idle Thoughts](#): > > Yeah…but you were all ready to vote out someone who you figured wanted to be out anyway. What better an excuse (if one is scum and know that someone is town) to use your vote that way? My reasons for my vote were (I think) pretty clear: whether **Omi no Kami** was scum didn’t matter to me. I wanted him/her out of the game because he/she was a really bad player who took any comment on him/her as a personal matter. [QUOTE=Idle Thoughts] (snip) Haha, but seriously now. Sorry I can’t return the trust, but the game is the game. I’m sure you understand. Heck, maybe I’m doing the mafia’s job for them. But I don’t feel it. _shrugs_ Not at all. [/QUOTE] No problem. Actually I think it’s good strategy on your part: try to look objectively at someone’s posts, not at their attitude towards you personally. And that’s why I put you on my trusted list: you started the anti- **fluiddruid** movement when there was no incentive for scum to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1713 "2007-05-21T15:16:29Z")
[QUOTE=tirial] Strange, I thought I questioned it at the time - not least in P1491 (which you quoted yourself to try to make Lightnin’ look like scum). I thought you were one of the “unreliable” votes for fluiddruid the first day we were after him, but unfortunately that can either mean easily swayed townie or scum, so its not conclusive. No one else seems to have picked up on it, which I suppose means I should really vote for you to draw attention to it - the problem is\*\* lemur866 \*\* looks scummier. (What with the fishing expeditions, “you all comment”, fluiddruid naming him twice, etc.) [/QUOTE] I remember being challenge moderately, but I’d expect if it was such a scum tell, as it looks like people are saying it is now, why didn’t it draw more attention than it did? It looks more to me like post-hoc reasoning to draw attention away from scum that are drawing attention today. FTR, is [this is post 1491](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8575143&postcount=1491), and it doesn’t look like the post you’re refering to. Considering that’s after day three, I don’t even know where to start looking for the post you meant. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1714 "2007-05-21T15:23:00Z")
> [@nesta](#): > > The only way to prove I’m scum (which I’m not, just for the record) is to lynch me, or wait until I’m night-killed which I think your suspicions and my horrible record at spotting scum are making less likely. Once my role is known it won’t prove anything one way or the other about you. If I’m town it will make you look bad, but can easily be dismissed. If I’m scum it could have been two scum having it out to distance themselves. You weren’t in any danger of a lynch yesterday, so this could have been a safe play for scum to hedge their bets. You and I both know that’s not the case, but nobody else does. There is some truth to this – unfortunately, I’m not being very successful in building momentum against you. I’m still pretty damn sure you’re scum, but I’ve already presented all my evidence about this and if no one else buys it, then so be it (I can see how from the outside, this could look like a scumfight). So, I’ll certainly be keeping a close eye on you, but I may wind up changing my vote. The more I think about the events leading up to my post [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8591636&postcount=1672), the more inclined I am to think that **Lemur** is scum as well. If it becomes necessary to lynch, I’d probably send my vote over there. ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1715 "2007-05-21T15:52:25Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] I remember being challenge moderately, but I’d expect if it was such a scum tell, as it looks like people are saying it is now, why didn’t it draw more attention than it did? It looks more to me like post-hoc reasoning to draw attention away from scum that are drawing attention today. FTR, is [this is post 1491](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8575143&postcount=1491), and it doesn’t look like the post you’re refering to. Considering that’s after day three, I don’t even know where to start looking for the post you meant. [/QUOTE] :smack: [1429](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8567734&postcount=1429) You quote it in 1458. And frankly I flagged it, but if no one else was going to follow it up, or even comment, what’s the point? I pushed **fluiddruid** like mad and it still took two days to get the scum hung. I’m not putting that much effort in on a suspicion. Of course, if anyone wants a serious debate of your potential scum merits/demerits I’m up for it, but no one else who has offered to make a case has ( **Millet** , have I missed your comments?). Unless I’ve got some validation I’m going back to voting for **lemur866** as the guy that looks scummiest to me. **FOS Lemur866 FOS BlasterMaster** I’ve given my reasons for both - anyone else want to join in? ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1716 "2007-05-21T16:59:14Z")
[QUOTE=tirial] :smack: [1429](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8567734&postcount=1429) You quote it in 1458. And frankly I flagged it, but if no one else was going to follow it up, or even comment, what’s the point? I pushed **fluiddruid** like mad and it still took two days to get the scum hung. I’m not putting that much effort in on a suspicion. Of course, if anyone wants a serious debate of your potential scum merits/demerits I’m up for it, but no one else who has offered to make a case has ( **Millet** , have I missed your comments?). Unless I’ve got some validation I’m going back to voting for **lemur866** as the guy that looks scummiest to me. **FOS Lemur866 FOS BlasterMaster** I’ve given my reasons for both - anyone else want to join in? [/QUOTE] You didn’t miss anything, except maybe my post o’ frustration. I can’t do the rest of the BM analyses until it’s too late for tonight’s vote. I have finals tonight. :eek: In short, though: BM voted and unvoted both SCL and Idle (Townies? One or both a token scum vote?) during the first day but settled on percy. No big smoking gun there, because there was no real vote swing. BM made the only vote for CaerieD (who was looking scummy but now seems like she was just confused town) on the second day. We’ve been over Day 3 - two vote/unvotes for fluid and one final vote for Projammer Day 4, early vote for Lightnin, switch to fluid when the pile-on really gets going Day 5, late day vote for CaerieD to bring her up to 3 votes. Lightnin had 4 at the time and was very soon after lynched. So I want to ask, since the SCL thing has gotten really quiet: What, again, is the rationale for lynching Lemur? I’m not sure I see it. If someone has already laid it out nice and clean, could I get a link? I apologize for the inconvenience, but if you want my vote on your side (or if you want to take me in another direction entirely, like Hal with nesta, which looks pretty vociferous but hasn’t really picked up any attention from anyone else yet–???), give me a summary. By the way, what time is this day ending? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1717 "2007-05-21T17:27:41Z")
> [@](#): > > By the way, what time is this day ending? In approximately eleven hours. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1718 "2007-05-21T17:30:20Z")
**Updated Vote Count** 3 – **Lemur866** (DiggitCamara, SnakesCatLady, Rachm Qoch) 1 – **nesta** (Hal Briston) 1 – **SnakesCatLady** (Idle Thoughts) I think that’s everybody. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1719 "2007-05-21T17:38:46Z")
[QUOTE=Millit the Frail] (snip) So I want to ask, since the SCL thing has gotten really quiet: What, again, is the rationale for lynching Lemur? I’m not sure I see it. If someone has already laid it out nice and clean, could I get a link? I apologize for the inconvenience, but if you want my vote on your side (or if you want to take me in another direction entirely, like Hal with nesta, which looks pretty vociferous but hasn’t really picked up any attention from anyone else yet–???), give me a summary. (snip) [/QUOTE] Right now my suspicions center, basically, around [the reasons I posted a while back](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8593144&postcount=1683). However, **tirial** has made a few points that make pretty good sense to me as well, so you might want to look at those. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2007, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1720 "2007-05-21T17:40:07Z")
[QUOTE=tirial] :smack: [1429](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8567734&postcount=1429) You quote it in 1458. And frankly I flagged it, but if no one else was going to follow it up, or even comment, what’s the point? I pushed **fluiddruid** like mad and it still took two days to get the scum hung. I’m not putting that much effort in on a suspicion. [/QUOTE] Umm… I’m not seeing any mention of it in there. You say: [QUOTE=tirial] **Blastermaster** and **CaerieD** are close to the top of my scum list. On Day one, they were the final two votes for **percypercy** (saving **Lightnin** or **Projammer** ), and on Day 3 their swing to Projammer (a bandwagon started by **Lightnin’** ) saved **fluiddruid**. Note their celebrations last night don’t include any mention of the fact they saved **fluiddruid** at the town’s expense the day before. [/QUOTE] First, this makes no mention of my reasoning on the breadcrumb, and second, it is basing my scumminess on the idea that the swing for \*\*percypercy \*\* was caused by scum to save **Lightnin’**. This is definitively false logic, because **Lightnin’** is proven town. You do make a mention that I changed my vote to **Projammer** , but again you ignore the logic that I used to make that swing. I was hardly the only individual voting for **Projammer**. Again, if you don’t like my logic behind the reason why I changed my vote, then attack my logic; but ignoring it all together and simply saying that I voted for a townie when the other option was scum is nonsensical. That is, as more scum are discovered, I’m sure people will look back and say the same thing about you when another scum is discovered, and had been chosen against in favor of a lynching a townie. The bottom line is, none of us have a good voting record, as we’ve managed to lynch exactly one scum so far. I am always careful to provide a clear reasoning trail for my votes so that if I happen to be called out for a bad vote, I can at least show my thought pattern, and that it’s not just a “eh, I have a gut feeling” vote. The problem is that you all are ignoring it. So, please tell me why, in the context of day three, why my thought that **dnooman** was the more probable breadcrumb is unreasonable. Also, tell me why my suspicion of **Projammer** was so unreasonable that, when I had reasonable doubt of the breadcrumb, that somehow looks fishy? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=85) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=87)