# Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 17, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527 "2007-04-17T21:34:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 91
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1801 "2007-05-24T14:20:04Z")
Yipes, **Millit**! Glad to hear you’re okay! ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1802 "2007-05-24T14:21:52Z")
\ What gives? The deadline was over an hour ago. Don’t make me break out the _very_ pointy ones! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1803 "2007-05-24T14:25:02Z")
\*It is the Village Green. It is dawn. It is peaceful. And suddenly a panicked grue comes tearing through the midst of the townspeople from the direction of the Wharf, screaming bloody murder. Quite literally. You find **CaerieD** pinioned on the pier, bereft of life and bearing a note that reads simply, “The Ghost of Detectives Past.”\* **CaerieD** , a citizen, is dead. The Day will end at 10:30 a.m. my time on Monday. Eleven players left, so six votes will lynch. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1804 "2007-05-24T14:36:55Z")
Damn. G’bye, **CaerieD**. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1805 "2007-05-24T14:37:33Z")
Damn…well, I guess that streak couldn’t last. Sorry to see you go, **CaerieD** – hopefully much will be revealed because of this. In the meantime, I’ve had the analysis of **Lemur** ’s posts ready for about two days now. Unfortunately, several of the indicators in my analysis were ones that made me suspect… **CaerieD**! Looks like I’ve got some editing to do before I post this. Ok, I think I pulled all the now-irrelevant portions, and properly edited the ones that had a change in relevancy: [QUOTE=Lemur866] [But in order to head off the Lightning lynch, we’ve got to pick someone else, and that means bandwagoning on one of the people who have three votes already, compared to Lightning’s five. And honestly, I don’t feel any strong difference between Projammer and Omi No Kami and Lightning.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8494445&postcount=486) [/QUOTE] Hmmm…of the three named, we have two dead townies and **Omi** / **Zuma**. I had done an anti-FOS on **Zuma** on the basis that scum would not flame out the way **Omi** did. Was I wrong about that? After all, it was **fluiddruid** ’s naming of **Lemur** on her “suspicion list” (and the assumption that one scum would be named on there) that convinced me of **Lemur** ’s guilt. [QUOTE=Lemur866] [I disagree that the later votes against **percypercy** are likely to be scum votes.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8503394&postcount=614) [/QUOTE] If we are to assume that **Lemur** was spreading lies every chance he got, that would indicate that some of the later votes against **percypercy** _were_ cast by scum. Here’s the breakdown: Final vote: **CaerieD** (now confirmed town) 2nd to final: **Blaster Master** 3rd to final: **dnooman** (confirmed town) 4th to final: **fluiddruid** (confirmed scum) Three of these we know about, so it comes down to whether or not **Lemur** was actively trying to hide scum in there. We know **fluiddruid** was scum, but is 4th place close enough to safely call? Was he trying to hide possible **Blaster Master** scum status? Or was he playing this one straight (a distinct possibility – the logic presented in that linked post is solid)? [QUOTE=Lemur866] [So…unFOS CaerieD and unFOS SnakesCatLady.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8588163&postcount=1635) [/QUOTE] I have a hard time seeing scum playing something like that as an all-or-nothing – more likely, we’re looking at one townie and one scum, making things look awfully suspicious for **SCL**. Of course, it didn’t last long…the next day, it was [“So I’m gonna vote SnakesCatLady once again”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8596964&postcount=1728). ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1806 "2007-05-24T15:03:44Z")
[nonplaying]… good to hear you’re all right, Millit[/nonplaying] Sorry to see you go, CaerieD ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1807 "2007-05-24T15:10:14Z")
Aw, well, I lasted longer than I did in the last game at least. Good luck, my fellow citizens! I’ll be rooting for you over my nachos. GO TOWN! ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1808 "2007-05-24T15:24:16Z")
**Concerning scum’s relationships to each other** Now that we have two scum out of the game, we can make interesting analysis of their behavior and patterns. And **Lemur866** ’s posts make very interesting reading! Right off the bat: Apparently we have two “antagonizing” scum. That is, \*\*fluiddruid \*\*pointed her finger, repeatedly, at **Lemur866**. In fact, on her “suspicions” she only repeated **Omi no Kumi/zuma** ’s name and **Lemur866**. **Lemur866** seemed largely unconcerned with her attacks on him; in fact, like I pointed out yesterday, he was the first one to try to subtly derail her lynching on day 3 (post 912). ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1809 "2007-05-24T15:34:15Z")
Sorry to loose you **CaerieD**. Unfortunately that does remove one of my leading scum candidates. I don’t think it exonerates **Blastermaster** or \*\*Rachm Qoch \*\* however. Basically, if CaerieD is town, and conveniently voting along with the mafia (which has appeared to have happened twice - Day 1 & 3) why kill an extra vote? And more important why kill someone who was on the town suspicion list? Either 1. to distract suspicion from the people she’s been voting with 2. to put the town attention on the people she was voting for or if they worked this out 3. to put rachm Qoch and Blastermaster, who she often voted with on the front line 4. to get one of the people she was voting for lynched. So I suppose it all depends on how complex the scum are. There are other options for selection that would affect this, but they make this even more complex. Looking at **Hal Briston** ’s post BTW, if you look at the final four votes as he laid them out, that makes **Blastermaster** the third vote out of the four in the second block. Unfortunately with \*\*lemur866 \*\*gone I don’t currently have a leading suspect, although I am beginning to doubt if the recruit has occurred yet. First because Lemur866 was so insistant it had. Second, because if its saved to the endgame the recruit is a pretty powerful tool. If they have already used it however, then we are facing a fixed number of scum from here on, and each posters’ alignment would be fixed, which can only be good for the town. (Why would scum insist that a recruit took place when it didn’t? What a good way to make the town lynch other townies.) If there were 4-6 mafia to start, two have been killed. 2-4 mafa remain (+1 possible recruit) 3-5 mafia. How many posters are left total?\*\* Gadarene \*\* could we have an updated player count? Also, since fluiddruid and lemur866 are confirmed scum, can we cross reference their posts and see if that gives us any leads on other mafia? I’ll have a look at that later myself. (This post is brought to you by the blue goblins of sleep deprivation and the angels of caffiene.) ---
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1810 "2007-05-24T15:46:39Z")
Thanks everyone. And **tirial** , you made me laugh. 🙂 Ouch…CaerieD! I think we will learn a lot from this revelation. I wonder why her? More substance later, including a spreadsheet update. I’m doing laundry today to get rid of that nice “burning wood” smell. Ahhh. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1811 "2007-05-24T15:50:58Z")
I’m puzzled about the mafia’s reasons for taking **CaerieD** also; there were still plenty of players (including me, sorry) who were suspicious of her. It seems likely she would have been lynched in the next few days. I am very suspicious of **Omi/zuma**. I hate to do it to **zuma** , but the record **Omi no Kami** left behind isn’t a good one. **Omi** voted and unvoted **fluiddruid** and **Kyrie Eleison** on Day 1, and ended the day with no vote. No vote again on Day 2, and voted/unvoted **fluiddruid** to end Day 3 with no vote. Finally a vote on Day 4 for **fluiddruid** , and voted for **Rachm Qoch** on Day 5. **Zuma** subbed in and didn’t vote on Day 6. Lots of dancing around, but only 2 votes in 6 days. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1812 "2007-05-24T16:00:57Z")
**Concerning voting patterns** Again, I find it interesting to note how much their voting patterns differed. **fluiddruid** voted in most of the “pile-ups”, be it for one of the victims or one of the almost victims. **Lemur866** , however, displayed extreme caution. In all but two days (I’m excluding **fluiddruid** ’s bandwagon on day 4) he voted for someone who was in no actual danger of being lynched. He participated in **Projammer** ’s lynching which can be explained, since he was trying to save **fluiddruid** and when **Lightnin’** was lynched he voted for **SnakesCatLady** who, with his vote, came into range to be lynched. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1813 "2007-05-24T16:11:29Z")
**Concerning scum’s honesty** Surprisingly enough, **Lemur866** was an honest scum! Post 916 > [@Lemur866](#): > > That’s the thing. The mafia don’t want their fingers on a town lynch. And they KNOW who’s town. So when there’s a bandwagon to lynch a townie, they stay far away and let the town do the dirty work, and then all the townies who lynched a townie get FOS’d. > The only time this doesn’t apply is if a mafiosi is a leading candidate. Then it gets trickier, because they don’t want fingerprints defending a mafiosi, but they don’t want fingerprints lynching a townie either. Post 919 > [@Lemur866](#): > > But that’s crap, because “not voting against townies” is not the mark of a townie, it’s the mark of a careful mafiosi. Of course, we’ve got too small a sample size to work with here, but anyone who NEVER votes against townies is suspicious because…only the scum know who the townies are. > Unvoting dnooman without voting for anyone else is a way to get her fingerprints off a town lynch. Calling attention to herself this way is a bad move for a scum, but we can’t assume perfect play from anyone. Post 1200 > [@Lemur866](#): > > Remember that the mafia doesn’t care which innocent townie gets lynched, as long as it isn’t a mafiosi. And even if a mafiosi is going to the noose, they still can’t collaborate too hard, because they’ll expose themselves. He pretty much described the strategy he was following. And, due to that, **Hal Briston** ’s idea that there might be scum hidden at the tail end of day one’s lynching sounds very plausible to me. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1814 "2007-05-24T16:16:54Z")
Safe travels to the big nacho plate in the sky, CarieD. ☹ If a silver-lining can be found, at least you were just vanilla. There’s an option to consider as to why she was selected, but it requires me going down a path that I’ve spoken out against in the past: that of trying to guess what happened on the no-kill nights. (But I am only going to think on it briefly, because I do think such conversations can suck up a lot of time and energy without being anywhere even close to accurate.) If none of those no-kills were due to a recruiting attempt, but were all Doctor or NW blocks (this also assumes that the scummy bastages aren’t throwing in a “no lynch” just to fsck with our heads) they may have tried to change up their strategy after repeatedly being denied. Could they have targeted her because she was not a likely candidate for protection? Or could they have gone to random selection? They sure took a long time to come to a decision, though they could very well have been sitting on it just to make us crazy. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1815 "2007-05-24T16:18:46Z")
Just a final thought: During the last day I repeatedly asserted that scum had decided early on there was no way they could save **fluiddruid**. **Newsflash** : I was wrong! 😃 **Lemur866** , at least, voted very late against her, using a technique he described elsewhere (voting against a teammate if they don’t see any other way to save her). ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1816 "2007-05-24T16:20:28Z")
**Come to the Dark Side** , please stop reading my mind. It tickles. I was going over my notes and thinking the exact same thing about the reason CaerieD was taken. It leads me to think a block of some kind has to have taken place on at least one of the no kill nights. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1817 "2007-05-24T18:32:53Z")
R.I.P. **CaerieD**. That death came out of left field. Good to see you’re okay, **Millit** [QUOTE=DiggitCamara] Right off the bat: Apparently we have two “antagonizing” scum. That is, \*\*fluiddruid \*\*pointed her finger, repeatedly, at **Lemur866**. In fact, on her “suspicions” she only repeated **Omi no Kumi/zuma** ’s name and **Lemur866**. [/QUOTE] Snipped. And, nearing the end there and especially in her big defense post, **SnakesCatLady**. Vote SnakesCatLady ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1818 "2007-05-24T18:39:59Z")
[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts] R.I.P. **CaerieD**. That death came out of left field. Good to see you’re okay, **Millit** Snipped. And, nearing the end there and especially in her big defense post, **SnakesCatLady**. Vote SnakesCatLady [/QUOTE] \>color removed\< **Idle Thoughts** , doesn’t the fact that Lemur866 voted with you give you the slightest hint? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1819 "2007-05-24T18:42:02Z")
**tirial:** > [@](#): > > Gadarene could we have an updated player count? Coming right up. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1820 "2007-05-24T18:44:04Z")
**Updated player list:** Alive: 1. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 2. Hal Briston 3. nesta 4. SnakesCatLady 5. tirial 6. Blaster Master 7. Millit the Frail 8. Rachm Qoch 9. DiggitCamara 10. zuma 11. Idle Thoughts Dead: 1. percypercy – citizen (lynched, Day One) 2. NAF1138 – citizen (murdered, Night One) 3. dnooman – citizen (lynched, Day Two) 4. Kyrie Eleison – detective (murdered, Night Two) 5. Projammer – do-gooder (lynched, Day Three) 6. fluiddruid – mafia (lynched, Day Four) 7. Lightnin’ – do-gooder (lynched, Day Five) 8. Lemur866 – mafia (lynched, Day Six) 9. CaerieD – citizen (lynched, Night Six) Eleven players left; **six votes needed** to lynch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=90) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=92)