# Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 17, 2007, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527 "2007-04-17T21:34:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 96
**Author:** ![Millit\_the\_Frail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/51bf81/32.png) [@Millit\_the\_Frail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Millit_the_Frail)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1901 "2007-05-26T18:23:35Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] I put him on my list yesterday. And, if I recall correctly, you voiced some suspicion against him as well: **BlasterMaster** [/QUOTE] That’s what I’ve been thinking. I wonder what would happen if my suspicions picked up any steam, but it looks like we’re not going to find out today. I want to take a step back and look at the general pattern on the days that have passed so far. Only two of the days led to scum lynchings. Many led to townie lynchings, many had vote switches. Maybe there’s something we can learn there. Yesterday was really interesting. It felt like there was hardly any opposition toward lynching **Lemur** , except mine (which was plain old stupidity). So it appears that when we’re on to a scum and there are no other targets to switch to, the Mafia are just going to sit back and let him hang, maybe add a few of the last votes. The problem with recognizing that pattern is that it’s frighteningly similar to what the Mafia would do if our only good prospect was a townie. Maybe we need two good lynch targets in the running, and we can observe who’s pulling the strings again and again and again We can match up our suspects with their behavior around the lynchings of **fluiddruid** and **Lemur** and maybe triangulate to scum. I kind of want someone other than **SCL** to garner some votes so we can see just where everyone stands on her. Sorry if it doesn’t look like I’m saying much of substance…It’s a holiday weekend, I have nothing to do, and the activity in here is surprisingly low, so forgive me if I’m talking to myself. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1902 "2007-05-26T18:31:22Z")
Even with a vote against him, **zuma** doesn’t seem to have anything to say. I’m sure he could have caught up with the thread by now… ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1903 "2007-05-26T20:55:37Z")
[QUOTE=tirial] **Idle Thoughts** - tempers got heated repeatedly earlier before the last no-kill night, and you weren’t posted laughs/taunts. Sorry, that doesn’t fly. If SCL is town, then yes I will think you are scum. You switched away from fluiddruid on Day 4, in a manner that I did worry would cause her to get off as she did in Day 3. [/QUOTE] Pardon me, but TAUNTS? I have not taunted anyone in this game. All of my light posts in here have been just that. Light posts to keep the mood light. As for **Omi** telling **SCL** to procreate in a rather rude fashion, I didn’t want to step into there because that was a bit more major infraction that I actually expected a mod to step in for (as it went against the rules of the forum). But sheesh. Again, suspecting me for posting smiles and having a few jokes and being able to laugh? Either you take this game too seriously or you’re looking for any reason to have to explain why you’re about to vote for me or an excuse to vote for me in the future. Seriously. Get better sensible reasons. If you want to vote for me because, like you pointed out, I actually voted for someone other then **fluiddruid** , fine. At least that’s something that looks weird. But come on. You strike me as being a bit more sensible then reading scum tells in posts where someones showing humor or semi-humor. If you really want to vote for me for that reason, still feel free, but not only will that make me think all the more that you’re now having to go against your original team after being recruited, but it will look even worse for YOU if I get the rope and everyone finds out I’m town. So if you TRULY, REALLY are still town, why go on a limb as flimsy as the one you’re going on or trying to build? Why not vote against **SCL** and see if she’s town? And if she is, feel free (not only you but everyone) to go against me the next day (IF I’m even still alive, that is). Heck, even if she’s scum, feel free to go against me. Because see, I have something on my side that none of you personally know. Mainly that I’m SURE I’M TOWN. So no matter what happens, if I get lynched or murdered, people who are killing me by this point (or starting to call for my head) will have the tables turned on them most likely, when it’s found I was telling the truth. And hopefully the real pro-towners will go back over my posts and use them to help them out. I’ve certainly been pretty adamant in my thoughts and suspicions. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1904 "2007-05-26T21:03:42Z")
Oh, and **Diggit** , you’re so full of doody. : p Hahah, you make me laugh actually. I see what you’re doing. You’re in Mafia IV too and you must have read and took notes on what **Gadarene** said about how townies usually act, cause I see you doing it full force now. Heh. Funny how you only started to seemingly have those attributes after yesterday. Hahahaha, however I won’t really count or hold that against you as it’s based on things outside of this game. It’s just something that struck me as funny (but also odd since you haven’t really been doing those things before yesterday). It’s also something only a few others here will get as not everyone in this game will know about that game (or even where it is, possibly although the link was posted in the **Malacandra** thread). Either way, it doesn’t matter. If that is what you’re doing or isn’t, I still have too strong of suspicions on you for all those other reasons. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1905 "2007-05-26T21:11:36Z")
Ya know, **Idle Thoughts** , if we’ve gonna vote for someone “to see if they are town” as you urged above, you would be a better target than I am. At least I have voted against scum, which is something you can’t say for yourself. I don’t recommend that tactic myself. If reminds me of “dunking” witches; if they drown they’re innocent. However, they’re not going to be around to enjoy their vindication. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2007, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1906 "2007-05-26T21:38:34Z")
[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady] Ya know, **Idle Thoughts** , if we’ve gonna vote for someone “to see if they are town” as you urged above, you would be a better target than I am. At least I have voted against scum, which is something you can’t say for yourself. I don’t recommend that tactic myself. If reminds me of “dunking” witches; if they drown they’re innocent. However, they’re not going to be around to enjoy their vindication. [/QUOTE] Maybe I haven’t voted for them but you’re forgetting some things… [Mainly](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8596814&postcount=1725) [these](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8581025&postcount=1585) [five](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8538735&postcount=1075) [posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8544421&postcount=1130) [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8547022&postcount=1192) Take a good look. I have more if you wish. So far in this game my feelings have been all right (well, almost). The only case it wasn’t was in **dnooman** ’s case. So yeah, maybe I haven’t voted for the scum yet when the time actually COMES..but I’ve already made it clear in lots of other posts that I felt that they WERE scum and getting their just desserts with all the votes. As you see (by those posts), I’ve said that, in every case, BEFORE the lynchings occured. So with 4 right and 1 wrong, in the whole game, I’d say my feelings record was pretty good so far. I feel that you’re scum. Pretty strongly too based on all the reason and explanations I’ve given. ---
**Author:** ![tirial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac91a4/32.png) [@tirial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tirial)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1907 "2007-05-27T08:47:24Z")
[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts] So yeah, maybe I haven’t voted for the scum yet when the time actually COMES..but I’ve already made it clear in lots of other posts that I felt that they WERE scum and getting their just desserts with all the votes. As you see (by those posts), I’ve said that, in every case, BEFORE the lynchings occured. So with 4 right and 1 wrong, in the whole game, I’d say my feelings record was pretty good so far. [/QUOTE] And FOSing scum without voting for them is a pretty good way to cover your back without actually putting any of the scum at risk. Voting for them when the time comes is when it actually matters. As you well know, my case against you is not based on a few “Hahas” and yes, taunts (“tricky tricky” is a taunt, BTW, especially when aimed at the defense of a poster you are trying to get lynched). Its based on a number of slips, a change in voting patterns, voting away from fluiddruid in a manner that could have got her off the hook (exactly the way **Blastermaster** did the day before). Consistantly refering to past game experience well before it was necessary in a fashion that could only make you a target, but not being nightkilled. Its also based on your building a case against someone based purely on the defense post of a scum, and the fact that the poster voted against scum pretty consistantly (more than you have). When fluiddruid was on the hook you voted CaerieD, now known to be town. When Lemur866 was on the hook you voted SCL. The night after I suspect you were recruited the mafia suddenly get a successful kill - either the town stopped getting lucky, or they changed tactics. And if SCL is town, the mafia have a very good reason to try to discredit her and get her lynched - because she’s been right too often. Vote Idle Thoughts ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1908 "2007-05-27T15:30:18Z")
Well, it looks like there is a good chance I’m going to get lynched. Since I think my neck is more valuable with a cat draped around it than a rope, and since my vote for **zuma** was mainly intended to get him to post, I’m going to unvote zuma and vote Idle Thoughts . I have already mentioned several reasons, but **tirial** in the post above says something I hadn’t thought of…why _hasn’t_ he been nightkilled? He has repeatedly bragged on his experience. **CaerieD** still had suspicion against her, so the town may very well have lynched her. Why nightkill her? And before **Idle Thoughts** comes in to say this is a revenge vote, or a “trying to save my neck” vote, I want to make it clear I had already gone from trusting him to suspecting him days before I changed my vote. Yes, I am trying to save my neck. If you compare voting records I think my neck is more valuable than his. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1909 "2007-05-27T15:50:39Z")
[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts] Oh, and **Diggit** , you’re so full of doody. : p Hahah, you make me laugh actually. I see what you’re doing. You’re in Mafia IV too and you must have read and took notes on what **Gadarene** said about how townies usually act, cause I see you doing it full force now. Heh. Funny how you only started to seemingly have those attributes after yesterday. (snip) [/QUOTE] [Confirmation bias](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias) at work. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1910 "2007-05-27T17:20:21Z")
[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts] Oh, and **Diggit** , you’re so full of doody. : p Hahah, you make me laugh actually. I see what you’re doing. You’re in Mafia IV too and you must have read and took notes on what **Gadarene** said about how townies usually act, cause I see you doing it full force now. Heh. Funny how you only started to seemingly have those attributes after yesterday. (snip) [/QUOTE] And while I’m at it: Could you please mention what two points you meant? I read that post, as you well know, but didn’t actually think to apply them to this game since they seem to be points that may be obvious to an observer but pretty hard to spot if you’re in the game yourself. My guess is you meant the points where he said that true townies usually write a post and rectify it shortly afterwards, you know, like I did way back [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8546505&postcount=1161) . (or maybe you meant the point that true townies are not really sure of themselves and qualify their statements and so on. Like I did in that same post) ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1911 "2007-05-27T19:29:20Z")
[QUOTE=tirial] And FOSing scum without voting for them is a pretty good way to cover your back without actually putting any of the scum at risk. Voting for them when the time comes is when it actually matters. [/quote] And how, exactly, haven’t I been doing that? [Obviously I can only vote for ONE person at a time.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8596814&postcount=1725) So what are you on about? I’ve been voting for all the people I think are scum at the time. In that post, I say I’m keeping my vote for **SCL** (who I feel (very strongly) is scum and that I feel **Lemur** is scum as well. So which is it **Tirial**? I only have one vote, you know. So had I voted for **Lemur** and, if **SCL** was the one that got it and was found to be scum, would you be doing the same thing? I bet you would. In this case, I felt BOTH were scum. So how is that “not voting for scum”? Seems to me that I had two suspicions and chose between the both of them. So your reasoning falls apart and holds no weight. > [@](#): > > As you well know, my case against you is not based on a few “Hahas” and yes, taunts (“tricky tricky” is a taunt, BTW, especially when aimed at the defense of a poster you are trying to get lynched). Funny that you see it as a taunt and I see it as a compliment paid for being clever and savvy IF she does turn out to be mafia. > [@](#): > > Its based on a number of slips, **a change in voting patterns** , Snipped. Please explain. For I have had the same voting pattern for the past four nights and have been saying the same thing for the past five or six. So what change are you speaking of? > [@](#): > > voting away from fluiddruid in a manner that could have got her off the hook (exactly the way **Blastermaster** did the day before). Consistantly refering to past game experience well before it was necessary in a fashion that could only make you a target, but not being nightkilled. Funny how, in [this post made just a few pages ago](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8609451&postcount=1835) you say how you’re “finding it hard to keep thinking I’m scum.” Now all of a sudden you’re going hard against me? Talk about changing tactics. > [@](#): > > Its also based on your building a case against someone based purely on the defense post of a scum, and the fact that the poster voted against scum pretty consistantly (more than you have). When fluiddruid was on the hook you voted CaerieD, now known to be town. When Lemur866 was on the hook you voted SCL. The night after I suspect you were recruited the mafia suddenly get a successful kill - either the town stopped getting lucky, or they changed tactics. Again, look at the history. I have been right in all of my feelings so far except in the case of **dnooman** , when lynching has occured. All the things I’ve layed out in the case against **SCL** have made sense. To the point where I’m not the only one who sees it or is supicious of her. I know **Millit** is too a little (even enough to vote for her). As is **Blaster Master**. As is **Hal Briston**. Makes you think maybe it’s not just me seeing these things. > [@](#): > > And if SCL is town, the mafia have a very good reason to try to discredit her and get her lynched - because she’s been right too often. What a crock. If she’s been right too often, why haven’t they killed her off at Night way back when she first started voting for **fluiddruid** all those times? Does that make any sense at all? Everyone keeps saying “Oh, why would they kill her, you’re doing a good job of it”, but see, after all this time **SCL** is STILL in no danger of being lynched or killed off. You’d think they’d kill her at night so people would attack me the next day. You’d think they’d help me lynch her so people would attack me the next day. You’d think they’d have killed her off by now if she’s been right all the time (and at the beginning of it too, before she could be right any more). NONE of that makes sense. How many times will she have to survive before people start actually going for her head? > [@](#): > > Vote Idle Thoughts That’s no surprise. Have at it. I think you’re scum too. To be fair, though, I don’t think you’ve always been. I think you were the recruit. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1912 "2007-05-27T19:32:32Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] And while I’m at it: Could you please mention what two points you meant? I read that post, as you well know, but didn’t actually think to apply them to this game since they seem to be points that may be obvious to an observer but pretty hard to spot if you’re in the game yourself. My guess is you meant the points where he said that true townies usually write a post and rectify it shortly afterwards, you know, like I did way back [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8546505&postcount=1161) . (or maybe you meant the point that true townies are not really sure of themselves and qualify their statements and so on. Like I did in that same post) [/QUOTE] Yeah, that’s what I meant. Just seems you’ve been doing it a lot more as of late. 😛 I don’t know if you are or aren’t or are even aware of it, but it just struck me as funny (as it did **Gad** too when everyone started doing it a little in Mafia 4). But I’m not holding that against you. No need. I already have enough suspicion by itself on you. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1913 "2007-05-27T19:37:58Z")
Gadarene, could we have a vote count please? (I know, I know, “ha-ha”). Message courtesy of _ **Idle Thoughts** _, others please disregard. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1914 "2007-05-27T19:38:37Z")
[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady] Well, it looks like there is a good chance I’m going to get lynched. Since I think my neck is more valuable with a cat draped around it than a rope, and since my vote for **zuma** was mainly intended to get him to post, I’m going to unvote zuma and vote Idle Thoughts . I have already mentioned several reasons, but **tirial** in the post above says something I hadn’t thought of…why _hasn’t_ he been nightkilled? He has repeatedly bragged on his experience. **CaerieD** still had suspicion against her, so the town may very well have lynched her. Why nightkill her? [/quote] I can explain that. It is yet another thing that can be explained if you follow my theory. You’re scum. There you go. Easy as pie. Another thing that could be explained if you were scum. You and your other mafia members did that so you could raise that point/issue here and give yourselves a reason to vote for me. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1915 "2007-05-27T19:41:13Z")
[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts] Yeah, that’s what I meant. Just seems you’ve been doing it a lot more as of late. 😛 I don’t know if you are or aren’t or are even aware of it, but it just struck me as funny (as it did **Gad** too when everyone started doing it a little in Mafia 4). But I’m not holding that against you. No need. I already have enough suspicion by itself on you. [/QUOTE] Not only did I notice it, but I pretty much **know** you’re town because of it ( **Gadarene** pretty much named you, don’tchaknow?) And, sadly, because of the trends we have thus far (votingwise), I’ll wait for the official vote count to force a coin flip between two townies. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1916 "2007-05-27T19:42:23Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] Gadarene, could we have a vote count please? (I know, I know, “ha-ha”). Message courtesy of _ **Idle Thoughts** _, others please disregard. [/QUOTE] Actually, I’m not ha-haing. He said he threw in a red herring over on proboards, remember? WELL, being a past host of many games, I happen to think that “Asks more often for vote counts” is the thing that townies DON’T do. I think that was the red herring. I had noticed all the others in my past experence…save for that one. But in other news, regardless of what you may be, I like you as as a poster. You’re like me, light and all in this game in comments and personality. ---
**Author:** ![SnakesCatLady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4af34b/32.png) [@SnakesCatLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakesCatLady)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1917 "2007-05-27T19:42:38Z")
**Idle Thoughts** , repeating “you’re scum” over and over does not make it so. It is not adding anything to the game. I do honestly wonder why CaerieD was nightkilled when there were townies who suspected her; it would make more sense to me that they would just let the town do the job for them. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1918 "2007-05-27T19:48:00Z")
[QUOTE=SnakesCatLady] **Idle Thoughts** , repeating “you’re scum” over and over does not make it so. It is not adding anything to the game. I do honestly wonder why CaerieD was nightkilled when there were townies who suspected her; it would make more sense to me that they would just let the town do the job for them. [/QUOTE] Oh, I know. I’m just trying to make it more than abundantly clear who people should go for if I’m the one lynched this day. Or at least what players to have the most suspicions over. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1919 "2007-05-27T20:04:59Z")
[QUOTE=Idle Thoughts] Actually, I’m not ha-haing. He said he threw in a red herring over on proboards, remember? WELL, being a past host of many games, I happen to think that “Asks more often for vote counts” is the thing that townies DON’T do. I think that was the red herring. I had noticed all the others in my past experence…save for that one. (snip) [/QUOTE] [Hal Briston asking for a vote-count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8580408&highlight=vote+count#post8580408) [NAF](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8485696&postcount=257) asking for a vote count [dnooman](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8486003&postcount=266) providing an unofficial vote count (granted: he wasn’t asking for it) [tirial](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8496246&postcount=507) asking for a vote count [DiggitCamara](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8532690&postcount=1026) asking for a vote count In other words: many current players (and some dead townies) asked for updated vote counts. I don’t know if this was the red herring or if it wasn’t, since I don’t know for a fact most of the other player’s allegiances. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2007, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/1920 "2007-05-27T20:06:58Z")
[QUOTE=DiggitCamara] [Hal Briston asking for a vote-count](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8580408&highlight=vote+count#post8580408) [NAF](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8485696&postcount=257) asking for a vote count [dnooman](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8486003&postcount=266) providing an unofficial vote count (granted: he wasn’t asking for it) [tirial](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8496246&postcount=507) asking for a vote count [DiggitCamara](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8532690&postcount=1026) asking for a vote count In other words: many current players (and some dead townies) asked for updated vote counts. I don’t know if this was the red herring or if it wasn’t, since I don’t know for a fact most of the other player’s allegiances. [/QUOTE] Fair enough. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=95) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527.md?page=97)