# MAFIA: The Road to Canterbury - Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 21, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807 "2012-06-21T01:57:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/281 "2012-06-29T14:06:10Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > Trying it out…so it does. I did not know that. Good to know. **Stanislaus** , apologies. Don’t mention it. It’s a fairly aggravating glitch in the board. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/282 "2012-06-29T15:34:33Z")
I have limited time to play until Monday, but a few quick observations. We can’t be certain **Visorslash** is The Pardoner, although if he is town that seems very likely to me. Another player probably wouldn’t have used the pardon on a player self-voting, and not certain to return to the game. It’s not clear to me whether _The Pardoner_’s power is affected by _The Cloak of Lies_. For **Visorslash** to be scum, they would have to use both the cloak and _The Momento_ (they almost certainly wouldn’t risk wasting the cloak on a player unless they had control of the pardon). I find it very unlikely that **fubbleskag** and **Suburban Plankton** are scumbuddies. Both made similar cases against me, then backed off when I responded. I’d already addressed the main point **Suburban Plankton** made against me when responding to **fubbleskag** , but **SP** obviously missed that. Scum-buddies normally pay attention to what the others are doing. If one does flip scum at some point, that would be a pretty strong indication to me that the other is town. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/283 "2012-06-29T16:38:19Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > It’s not clear to me whether _The Pardoner_’s power is affected by _The Cloak of Lies_. For **Visorslash** to be scum. The Pardoner’s power is irrelevant with regards to the Cloak. But we know Visorslash is town because Storyteller said so. Rule #4: 1. All public reveals by the moderator are 100% accurate in all cases. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/284 "2012-06-29T16:39:06Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > It’s not clear to me whether _The Pardoner_’s power is affected by _The Cloak of Lies_. It’s not relevant, as the Cloak (if chosen) has not yet been used - at least, I don’t think it can be used in N0, and N1 actions have not yet taken place. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/285 "2012-06-29T16:50:27Z")
I think it’s a good bet that \*\*Visorslash \*\*is indeed the Pardoner, and he used his ability on himself. And in doing so, gives us a confirmed Townie. As has been mentioned, the Cloak of Lies doesn’t come into play in ant case, as it was Mod reveal that told us he’s Town, and that is infallible. I’m not sure at this point if Visorslash should make a claim or not. It seems quite likely that he’s the Pardoner, which would mean he is Vanilla from this point on. If that is the case, then I don’t think there’s any harm in revealing it…but if that’s not the case (and someone else Pardoned him), then I’m thinking we wouldn’t want the Scum to know that…so I guess it’s best if Visorslash remain silent at this point. Right? ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/286 "2012-06-29T17:13:17Z")
Looking at the rules again, **Enderw24** and **MHaye** are both right, **Visorslash** is confirmed town. Agree with **Suburban Plankton** that there is no point in **Visorslash** claiming at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/287 "2012-06-29T17:33:36Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > Agree with **Suburban Plankton** that there is no point in **Visorslash** claiming at this point. Well, there _is_ one possible benefit to a claim if he’s The Pardoner: If The Canon chose The Restorative, then I’d say The Pardoner’s power would be a very good choice for a second go-'round. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/288 "2012-06-29T17:52:00Z")
For the record, I’m still not thrilled with the way \*\*Visorslash \*\*played Day 1. Assuming he is the Pardoner, then I can understand the strategy: play in such a way as to draw suspicion, guarantee that he will be the lynch candidate, and then save himself, resulting in a no-lynch situation while at the same time making sure we have a good voting record to analyze later. It makes good sense, but at the same time I can’t help thinking it was ‘wrong’…but I suspect that’s just my personal bias showing, in a “that’s not the way I would have played it” fashion… ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/289 "2012-06-29T19:12:04Z")
Sorry I missed the end of the day. We got our barn door hardware on Wednesday and 50 boxes from Ikea on Thursday and the singuy has been making me work like a rented mule\* trying to put all this stuff together and get the damn boxes out of the living room. When I read the thread last night, before I got to stories reveal these votes really stood out. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Yes, we do need a lynch. We also have 28+ hours left in the Day. I don’t think we’re at the “Oh noez, we have to lynch somebody!..OK, I’ll sacrifice myself for the good of the team” stage quite yet. > > **Vote Visorslash** > > For trying to drum up sympathy by playing the martyr. > Also for pointing out on multiple occasions how he’s ‘acting Scummy’; perhaps that’s because he’s Scum. > And as a policy vote: because he voted himself. All of these reasons suck. When have scum ever admitted “acting scummy” that’s just stupid. He made a slip (on purpose???) at the beginning of the game and when called on it he admitted that might seem scummy. A policy vote??? What’s that supposed to mean? As for trying to drum up sympathy, I’ve seen multiply people do that, particularly falsely accused town. > [@TexCat](#): > > I still prefer a no-lynch Today, but it looks like we are going to lynch someone. As I said [earlier](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15197425&postcount=113) my suspicions lie with Visorslash. His voting for himself almost seems like a admission of his slip to me, and I’m guessing that he disappeared so has not to inadvertently give anything about his teammates away. > > \*\*Vote: Visorslash \*\* Why bother changing your vote at this point in time if you really wanted a no lynch? He was already in well in the lead for the lynch. And your reasons are equally spurious. You have never seen frustrated townies vote for themselves and disappear? > [@MHaye](#): > > Afternoon all. > > I’ve just caught up with the thread, after falling behind to spend extra time with my fiancee before she went home (which was Tuesday). > > I see that Visorslash is comfortably in the lead for votes. I still have suspicions about him based on his thinking of 15 Townies, which I haven’t seen adequately explained, so I’m satisfied with his lynch. > > **Vote Visorslash** > > However, that is a weak reed. I’ll dig around a bit for something stronger. Back soon (65 minutes to earliest lynch deadline). This is the worst vote of all coming from MHaye. It is sooooo un-MHaye-like. He normally comes in at the tail end of the Day with an extensive analysis and a carefully explained vote. This just seems like an “Oh my God I need a voted down before the end of the day…ooooo shiny there’s Viorslash.” ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/290 "2012-06-29T19:13:45Z")
NETA: - The singuy is working himself 4 times as hard as me:)🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/291 "2012-06-29T19:47:47Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > I have respect for the move you played, Visorslash. You didn’t fully ping my scum radar but I just couldn’t make sense of why you’d be acting the way you did. I seriously, honestly, never considered your role as pardoner as a means of explaining what was going on. Well done. Ditto. > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Assuming he is the Pardoner, then I can understand the strategy: play in such a way as to draw suspicion, guarantee that he will be the lynch candidate, and then save himself, resulting in a no-lynch situation while at the same time making sure we have a good voting record to analyze later. Yeah, it was a clever move, gave us the best of both worlds - keeps the numerical advantage the no-lynch side wanted, while still getting the info the pro-lynch side wanted. No matter how you weight those two advantages, you have to admit this way is better than either of the others. Gotta give him props for that. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/292 "2012-06-29T20:22:46Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Sorry I missed the end of the day. We got our barn door hardware on Wednesday and 50 boxes from Ikea on Thursday and the singuy has been making me work like a rented mule\* trying to put all this stuff together and get the damn boxes out of the living room. When I read the thread last night, before I got to stories reveal these votes really stood out. > > All of these reasons suck. When have scum ever admitted “acting scummy” that’s just stupid. He made a slip (on purpose???) at the beginning of the game and when called on it he admitted that might seem scummy. A policy vote??? What’s that supposed to mean? As for trying to drum up sympathy, I’ve seen multiply people do that, particularly falsely accused town. > > Why bother changing your vote at this point in time if you really wanted a no lynch? He was already in well in the lead for the lynch. And your reasons are equally spurious. You have never seen frustrated townies vote for themselves and disappear? > > This is the worst vote of all coming from MHaye. It is sooooo un-MHaye-like. He normally comes in at the tail end of the Day with an extensive analysis and a carefully explained vote. This just seems like an “Oh my God I need a voted down before the end of the day…ooooo shiny there’s Viorslash.” There’s a saying: “Hindsight is 20/20”. Your logic may be unassailable here (or not, but for sake of argument let’s just assume that it is)…but your words would carry a lot more weight if you had posted them \*before \*\*\*Visorslash \*\*was Mod-confirmed. I’m not necessarily saying you’ve done anything wrong by saying them now, but it’s real easy to find faults in others’ logic once you know for a fact that they were wrong. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/293 "2012-06-29T21:06:43Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > There’s a saying: “Hindsight is 20/20”. Your logic may be unassailable here (or not, but for sake of argument let’s just assume that it is)…but your words would carry a lot more weight if you had posted them \*before \*\*\*Visorslash \*\*was Mod-confirmed. > > I’m not necessarily saying you’ve done anything wrong by saying them now, but it’s real easy to find faults in others’ logic once you know for a fact that they were wrong. You don’t have to believe me but I read the final posts before reading the outcome of end of day and these three votes jumped out at me as I was reading. I guess by your reckoning I shouldn’t be able to post anything at all about anyone’s votes because I missed the end of the day. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/294 "2012-06-29T21:23:16Z")
> [@sinjin](#): > > Why bother changing your vote at this point in time if you really wanted a no lynch? He was already in well in the lead for the lynch. And your reasons are equally spurious. You have never seen frustrated townies vote for themselves and disappear? And did you even bother to look back at where I had earlier (conveniently linked) said that I thought Visorslash was scum? His disappearing was just one additional reason for my vote. And I did not change my no-lynch vote, I added a vote for Visor. I thought it important to get on record who I thought was the scummiest, even if I still thought no-lynch was town’s best option for the Day. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/295 "2012-06-29T21:31:47Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > I’m not necessarily saying you’ve done anything wrong by saying them now, but it’s real easy to find faults in others’ logic once you know for a fact that they were wrong. Yes, _that’s how we play the game_. We get more information, and revisit what people said in light of it. Even if sinjin weren’t saying it was an “unspoiled” reaction, this would be a very odd, highly defensive complaint to make. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/296 "2012-06-29T22:30:17Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > And did you even bother to look back at where I had earlier (conveniently linked) said that I thought Visorslash was scum? His disappearing was just one additional reason for my vote. > > And I did not change my no-lynch vote, I added a vote for Visor. I thought it important to get on record who I thought was the scummiest, even if I still thought no-lynch was town’s best option for the Day. And this is why I hate multiple votes. It just muddies up the vote record. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/297 "2012-06-30T04:29:02Z")
can the three investigators (pun not intended) look into the ones who voted for **Visorslash**? there has to be scum there. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/298 "2012-06-30T14:17:25Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > can the three investigators (pun not intended) look into the ones who voted for **Visorslash**? there has to be scum there. Directing the investigators while the cloak could be in play is probably not a good idea. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/299 "2012-06-30T17:22:31Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > Directing the investigators while the cloak could be in play is probably not a good idea. we may never know a good time to use it. _shrugs_ ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2012, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/300 "2012-06-30T21:51:44Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > we may never know a good time to use it. _shrugs_ Huh? gnarly, do you have an explanation for this? Because it looks to me like you are talking about a good time to use the cloak. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=16)