# MAFIA: The Road to Canterbury - Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 21, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807 "2012-06-21T01:57:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/341 "2012-07-03T01:24:57Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > Obviously, I find Snickers suspicious since I voted him(her?), but could you expound on what pinged you. It doesn’t really matter to me, but since you asked (thanks!), it’s her. I’ve got the ladybits. (And now we pause while people ask, “Cite?”) ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/342 "2012-07-03T02:20:06Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > Thanks for the quick response. > > I’m going to hold off commenting on **Mosier** ’s claim for the time being, as I’m very interested to hear what other players think of it. I think you should explain why you wanted to know the timing of my night order. I gave you the benefit of the doubt by “going first” when you asked. Time for you to reciprocate. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/343 "2012-07-03T09:16:55Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > I don’t see any benefit at all for scum to skip night one. Given their limited kills, I can see a pretty obvious one - let us waste our protective powers, and give us another chance at a mislynch (and possibly taking out someone with a protective power). Lowers the chance that they’ll lose a kill to a protector, since they won’t necessarily get another chance, depending what-all tools they have, and which protector blocks which attack. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/344 "2012-07-03T13:37:58Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > As for not taking a stance of any kind, I voted for you. How is that not taking a stance. Yes, I was considering other possibilities and I would have been doing that whether I wrote them down here or not. I will concede a bit of a point when you say I was barely making a case. My case was fairly simple. I thought your reaction to Stanislaus was an attempt at misdirection. You ranted about the third vote principle, which was just a parenthetical remark by Stanislaus. You did not seem to pay as much attention to the rest of his case. And although I had already voted by the time you responded to me, I also thought your response tried to make me look as bad as possible so you would have some reason to vote against me. Even though my case is simple and doesn’t rely on a lot of different actions by you, I consider your actions the scummiest I have seen. My “rant” about a parenthetical was a whole sentence, but yeah, you totally got me there. I’ve posted a bunch of responses to **Stanislaus** ; I’m sorry that I didn’t do a very good job of explaining myself. And since I didn’t vote for you, do I get to lose that OMGUS stain? 🙂 I don’t know what to do with **Mosier** ’s claim. It’s got a lot of “cool story, bro” (yep, I’m stealing that!) to me. I see that **SP** has confirmed that he didn’t act last night, so that’s something. I don’t know if I really follow **Mosier** ’s reasoning behind targeting **Plankton** - I don’t know whether scum would target someone without a lot of scrutiny on D1. And I find it odd that **Mosier** used his power on someone that he had very little interaction with or suspicion about, but perhaps he really did let the voting lead him. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/345 "2012-07-03T13:53:38Z")
**Mosier** , before settling on **Suburban Plankton** , did you take a look at **Alka Seltzer** or **KellyCriterion**? Are there reasons you didn’t choose either of them? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/346 "2012-07-03T13:56:27Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > Given their limited kills, I can see a pretty obvious one - let us waste our protective powers, and give us another chance at a mislynch (and possibly taking out someone with a protective power). Lowers the chance that they’ll lose a kill to a protector, since they won’t necessarily get another chance, depending what-all tools they have, and which protector blocks which attack. Eh. I can kind of see that, and I’m not going to rule out the possibility. But I don’t think it’s likely. Sure, if they run up against the monk’s power they lose the knife, but what are the odds of that? 1/15. And that’s assuming the monk even uses his power on N1. Meanwhile, there’s a 47% chance of all three investigators being town (though Scum knows with 100% certainty exactly how many are in play) and a 53% chance of them hitting at least one Scum in a N1 investigation. Anyway, if we boil it down to this simple scenario of 3 investigators being Town, Monk being Town, and everyone using their powers N1, it’s 3 times more likely to hit an investigator than it is to be blocked by a protection. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/347 "2012-07-03T13:59:08Z")
NETA: or **Inner Stickler** or \*\*Stanislaus \*\*or \*\*Babale \*\*or \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*or \*\*sinjin \*\*or **fubbleskag**? They didn’t garner any votes at all. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/348 "2012-07-03T14:20:42Z")
I can’t see scum voluntarily forgoing a NK. My money’s on a block or protect. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/349 "2012-07-03T15:58:09Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > What I find really interesting is how on D1, everyone was telling all three investigators “for God’s sake, investigate on N1!” > Now D2 dawns and the build up seems to be “For God’s sakes investigators, don’t tell anyone about your investigations on N1!” No one said this. > [@TexCat](#): > > I think there may be no scum amongst the Visor voters. Zero scum on that wagon. Visor seemed to go out of his way to look suspicious, not defend himself, and disappear. :snipped: Of course there may not be, but there also may be. Most people play scum the exact way they would play as Town, especially on day 1. I see no reason to lead us away from the people that voted on Visor. **vote TexCat** > [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > I’m going to hold off commenting on **Mosier** ’s claim for the time being, as I’m very interested to hear what other players think of it. Why must we go first? Oh, and I believe Mosier’s claim and I am of the opinion that anyone who learned anything last night should go ahead and tell us. Like Mosier said, it is likely to help Town more than scum. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/350 "2012-07-03T16:22:36Z")
> [@TexCat](#): > > I think there may be no scum amongst the Visor voters. Zero scum on that wagon. Visor seemed to go out of his way to look suspicious, not defend himself, and disappear. Of course, the scum know that he’s town, and it looks like he’s the overwhelming favorite for lynching. They don’t need to be on that wagon; they can take the opportunity to vote for each other safely or throw some suspicions elsewhere. TexCat, I’m hoping you can provide some enlightenment here. YesterDay, you voted for Visor late. You were second to last to vote for him after the bandwagon had already been established. Pretty safe vote there. You ALSO voted for no lynch, which is really strange and conflicting. We’d already established that no-lynch wasn’t good strategy but you wanted to muddle things up anyway. ToDay, you’re advocating that we not investigate the people who voted for Visor because clearly there wouldn’t be scum there. Hey! Coincidence! That includes you! Instead we should focus on people that voted for other people. Hey! Coincidence! That ignores your “no-lynch” vote and therefore doesn’t include you! Your whole voting record and rationale behind your attempts at Town direction seem really shady. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/351 "2012-07-03T16:47:13Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > I think you should explain why you wanted to know the timing of my night order. I was wondering if you’d had a chance to read a specific night post. > [@Mosier](#): > > I gave you the benefit of the doubt by “going first” when you asked. Time for you to reciprocate. If you’re looking for reciprocation, I fully expect to come under scrutiny when/if I claim. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Why must we go first? Says the guy with 3 posts all game. :dubious: It’s not for me to dictate what people do and don’t comment on, but assessing claims is an important tool for catching scum. There is no pro-town motive for ignoring it. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Oh, and I believe Mosier’s claim… Good that you are taking a position on this, but I’d also like to hear why you trust the claim please. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/352 "2012-07-03T16:52:26Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > My “rant” about a parenthetical was a whole sentence, but yeah, you totally got me there. I’ve posted a bunch of responses to **Stanislaus** ; I’m sorry that I didn’t do a very good job of explaining myself. And since I didn’t vote for you, do I get to lose that OMGUS stain? 🙂 > > I don’t know what to do with **Mosier** ’s claim. It’s got a lot of “cool story, bro” (yep, I’m stealing that!) to me. I see that **SP** has confirmed that he didn’t act last night, so that’s something. I don’t know if I really follow **Mosier** ’s reasoning behind targeting **Plankton** - I don’t know whether scum would target someone without a lot of scrutiny on D1. And I find it odd that **Mosier** used his power on someone that he had very little interaction with or suspicion about, but perhaps he really did let the voting lead him. I did not argue that scum would target someone with little scrutiny. I argued that the scum who used the tool would himself be someone who enjoyed little scrutiny. Scum wouldn’t pick someone to make the night kill who would be likely to be under watch. They knew the summoner was active. I said before that I picked Suburban Plankton to watch because he was not under much pressure during the Day. There were quite a few targets that fit the criteria, but I can only watch one. There’s no particular significance to the fact that it was him and not whoever you (collective you) wish it would have been. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/353 "2012-07-03T17:11:13Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > If you’re looking for reciprocation, I fully expect to come under scrutiny when/if I claim. The reciprocation I was referring to was for you to explain the significance of the timing question. I’m not asking you to claim. I think you knew that already, though. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/354 "2012-07-03T17:19:49Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > Good that you are taking a position on this, but I’d also like to hear why you trust the claim please. I just do. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/355 "2012-07-03T17:29:37Z")
Given that we’ve already decided there’s little point to fake claiming in this game, I’m not sure why it’s worth noting one trusts a claim or not. I won’t be surprised at all if Mosier dies and flips Summoner. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/356 "2012-07-03T17:31:51Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I just do. Ok…then let’s put it this way: Do you trust the claim simply on a gut level, or do you have any other reason (that you can, of course, keep to yourself if you like) to back it up? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/357 "2012-07-03T17:36:56Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Ok…then let’s put it this way: Do you trust the claim simply on a gut level, or do you have any other reason (that you can, of course, keep to yourself if you like) to back it up? In other words, are you guessing or an investigator. Nice and subtle. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/358 "2012-07-03T18:04:50Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > In other words, are you guessing or an investigator. Nice and subtle. Those are the main two. A third would be if **Mosier** dropped some subtle hint that **Mahaloth** picked up on. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/359 "2012-07-03T18:52:44Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > I argued that the scum who used the tool would himself be someone who enjoyed little scrutiny. Aha - I get it now. Thanks for posting that; the clarification helps. I was thinking exactly backwards. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/360 "2012-07-03T19:04:27Z")
I’m going to place a vote on **Mahaloth**. He’s barely posting at all. On a read-through, his posts seemed to me to be pushing for the use of as many town powers as possible, as soon as possible, or short on any actual real content. And his recent “I just do” kind of rubs me the wrong way. **Mahaloth** , could you be more forthcoming? Maybe a vote will help in that department. Vote **Mahaloth** I’ll probably revisit this later. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=19)