# MAFIA: The Road to Canterbury - Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 21, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807 "2012-06-21T01:57:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/421 "2012-07-05T16:38:05Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > I’ve had a death in my immediate family. I won’t be all that active for a while. Sorry to hear that. Visor. Take the time you need. RL is more important than Mafia games. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/422 "2012-07-05T16:44:56Z")
**Unvote Snickers Vote TexCat** Explanation to come. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/423 "2012-07-05T16:46:07Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > I notice that **fubbleskag** refers to “The brotherhood” while **gnarlycharlie** calls it “the brotherhood of the rose”, a phrase I’ve not seen in the rules or colour posts. > > **@fubbleskag** - Please could you post your night PM from storyteller. it is what my result PM says although it does not appear in my role PM. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/424 "2012-07-05T17:00:13Z")
I’ve been suspicious of TexCat since before my post in 350. I think my concerns haven’t been adequately addressed. In fact, if anything, more evidence has arisen to highten my suspicion. 1. For the second day in a row, there’s a good possibility TexCat will end the day with multiple votes. This time for both gnarlycharlie and Inner Stickler 2. Inner Stickler’s vote looks like Tex is just voting for the second highest vote getter in order to force a tie. 3. Both Inner Stickler and TexCat voted for each other. Now, there’s a _possibility_ that both are scum and are trying to go for a no-lynch but this seems risky than other options that wouldn’t increase either of their vote counts. A more likely scenario is that only one of them is scum and if that’s the case I choose Tex. 4. Visor, the only 100% confirmed town, selected Tex right from the start. Even with no explanation, this alone should be of value. 5. TexCat’s vote of Inner didn’t come with any good explanation other than, as I said before, bandwagon jumping. 6. The accusations Tex made concerning others, gnarly in particular, seem weak. Obviously some are more substantial reasons than others. But on the whole I’m convinced that \*\*TexCat \*\*needs to go. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/425 "2012-07-05T17:13:31Z")
Well, my Mosier vote has served its purpose. Based on Mosier’s defence and other people talking about him, I no longer think him as likely to be Scum. **unvote** TexCat is still worrying me, as I said before. The self defend vote and other signs worry me. **Vote Texcat** ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/426 "2012-07-05T17:13:46Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > I notice that **fubbleskag** refers to “The brotherhood” while **gnarlycharlie** calls it “the brotherhood of the rose”, a phrase I’ve not seen in the rules or colour posts. “The Brotherhood” appears in several places in the [rules and roles page](http://bladerunnergame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=canterbury), but the only mention of “Rose” that can find is that it’s one of the scum tools. This _screams_ scum slip to me…taking a closer look, back in a couple minutes. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/427 "2012-07-05T17:14:36Z")
On the subject of the Mafia team names, in the Roles and Scum Tools posts, Storyteller refers to the bad guys as “The Brotherhood” quite frequently. So on to responses. > [@Stanislaus](#): > > **MHaye** : do you believe that \*\*Suburban \*\*is also scum, or that \*\*Mosier \*\*got lucky in guessing a Town player who neither acted, nor was acted upon? (Good point, **Tengu** ). Either are possible, but I’d be more likely to suspect Mosier got lucky (assuming for the moment that he is in the Brotherhood.) > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > The question at the beginning of this post is “Texcat, Snickers or IS?”…so apparently the answer is “Mosier”??? As Snickers deduced I was, rhetorically by that stage, asking “which player shall I review the votes on.” The answer was Texcat, as you can tell from the second line of the post. So you review **TexCat’s** posts, then without reviewing the rest of your ‘candidates’, place a vote on **Mosier**? [/quote] Looks like it doesn’t it? Unless, of course, you read in context. Posts 380 and 381 have to be read together. In 380, I reviewed some of the events of the Day, then (as is my custom) broke when my draft reached about an A4 page of 12-point font. I came out of that somewhat predisposed to be suspicious of Mosier, primarily because his choice of subject reminded me of _my_ mental contortions in the first Evil Dead game, when I was a Mafia-aligned Watcher. I guess that, having been there and done that, it just smelled of Mafia evasion to me. Then I reviewed votes on Texcat. It so happens that Mosier placed the third vote, so I reviewed it. The vote, added to his claim, was enough to push me into a vote. I think at this point (I posted 381 at 1:10am BST) I was a little fatigued, and not as disciplined as I could have been with my draft. Sorry about that. > [@](#): > > …and since you can’t post during the day it seems your analysis on \*\*Snickers \*\*and **Inner Stickler** isn’t forthcoming. I suppose I shouldn’t complain about your saying “I’ll be back soon with more analysis” and then failing to follow up, because I’m guilty of that myself. But that still doesn’t explain what you did here… I tried to do Snickers when I got up this morning but ran out of time. Let me reread the draft and finish it up. On ties; remember that a tied votes allows a one-hour extension in which votes can be changed before the no-lynch becomes final. Plus, Texcat is now in the lead with 6 to IS’s 4. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/428 "2012-07-05T17:23:53Z")
I like the case against **Inner Stickler** , but I have some suspicions of **fubbleskag** , and dislike **Hal Briston** ’s vote. If **fubbleskag** is scum, “confirming” **Stanislaus** is a great way of getting a bandwagon rolling, and a safe place to hide. **fubbleskag** made quite a good post [earlier](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15236635&postcount=369) in the Day prodding several players, but I notice he didn’t try to engage with either of the players **Stanislaus** was expressing suspicion of at the time ( **Snickers** and **Suburban Plankton** I believe). **TexCat** edges it for me. It’s reached the point where he just seems to be making stuff up and not responding to arguments, which reminds me of **Freudian Slit** in colourless. Starting a vote on no-lynch is a high profile place for scum to be, but TexCat is clearly aware of this and has posted to that effect. Can’t rule out a gambit. **Unvote MHaye** (more on him later) **Vote TexCat** This is a bit of a train-wreck with two claims on the table and no time to assess them properly, and some players not voting. The low activity players are really hurting us. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/429 "2012-07-05T17:28:31Z")
Re: “Brotherhood of the Rose” > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > it is what my result PM says although it does not appear in my role PM. A possibility, but really, I’m not buying it. Either you slipped up by using scum’s “code name” publically, or **storyteller** kinda screwed you by giving you info known only to scum. If it was a slip, then woohoo, got scum. If not, well, at least you got to put your power to use. Unvote **Inner Stickler** Vote **gnarlycharlie** ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/430 "2012-07-05T17:38:29Z")
## FWIW Canterbury Role PM Welcome the game; you are The Friar You are a man of God in name only, part of a religious order that makes its way by begging, grift, and outright thievery. Still, the tattered robes of your order lend you an air of respectability that your own glib and friendly nature enhance; others find, to their detriment, that their tongues and wallets seem looser in your presence. Once per game, you may target a player of your choice at Night and determine whether that player is part of the Brotherhood (ie, Scum). This ability can be blocked, but will produce false results only if your target is influenced by the Coat of Lies (see Scum Tools for details). Re: N1 Action Quote: Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie for my first and only action, i’ll target Stanislaus. Based on the results of your investigation, Stanislaus is not a member of the Brotherhood of the Rose. Your power is now used and gone. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/431 "2012-07-05T17:41:23Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Well, my Mosier vote has served its purpose. And exactly what purpose was that again? > [@](#): > > TexCat is still worrying me, as I said before. The self defend vote and other signs worry me. **Vote Texcat** You might want to try that again. Preview is your friend… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/432 "2012-07-05T17:48:32Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > Hal’s giving me credence because I’m probably Town. He doesn’t agree with my case _at all_, but he thinks I’m at least honestly mistaken. That said, he votes Inner anyway. His reason is that Inner didn’t consider, or dismissed, the idea that Scum deliberately no-killed. In fact, he goes further and says that in not mentioning it, Inner was actually “pressing” the counter-argument. But fundamentally, it’s a disagreement about what scum might or might not do. > > Hal, how does this indicate Inner is scum? What makes him more likely to be scum than Town who doesn’t agree with you? Why does my being honestly wrong make it worth following my vote if you disagree with my case? Goddamn laptop and its random reboots, chewing up the post I just spent 15 minutes on… To sum it up, I don’t agree with most of the individual points you made against **Inner** , but that’s because I’m looking at it from a playstyle perspective. I wouldn’t vote for **Inner** based on the posts of his that you highlighted because most of them we’re posts that I could have easily made myself. However, just because that proves (to me, at least) that a townie could make those posts, doesn’t guarantee to me that **Inner** is town. It just means he was making points in a townie style. So I saw no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt when the “no reason for scum to lay low” post set off my scumdar. As to my actual problem with his position, it seems to me that if we go with his “can’t see scum voluntarily forgoing a NK position”, that gives up bad info about what powers have been used and what ones remain. And I’m not about to suggest that all blockers/protectors pipe up and say “nope, I didn’t do anything last night” just to prove his position. Anyway, my vote on him is a moot point now…just didn’t want to leave the question unanswered. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/433 "2012-07-05T17:51:55Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > Re: N1 Action > Quote: > Originally Posted by gnarlycharlie > for my first and only action, i’ll target Stanislaus. > Based on the results of your investigation, Stanislaus is not a member of the Brotherhood of the Rose. > > Your power is now used and gone. **fubbleskag** , does your PM contain similar wording? ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/434 "2012-07-05T18:51:07Z")
i wonder why **Texcat** hasn’t claimed. granted it may not save her, if you’re town it’s the right thing to do . ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/435 "2012-07-05T18:55:19Z")
She said she wouldn’t be around for EOD. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/436 "2012-07-05T19:04:01Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > She said she wouldn’t be around for EOD. i mean earlier when she was tied with hours to go. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/437 "2012-07-05T19:06:38Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > And exactly what purpose was that again? > > You might want to try that again. > > Preview is your friend… 🙂 The purpose was to pressure Mosier and, if Scum, any of his buddies into making a mistake. Josue handled it well, which tells me he is Town or competent Scum. Certain other players reacted in certain ways that gave rise to certain opinions, which I will.share at EoD. And good catch; **Vote TexCat** ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/438 "2012-07-05T19:07:59Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i mean earlier when she was tied with hours to go. At the time she voted, based on the current unofficial vote counts, she would have been breaking a tie with her vote. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/439 "2012-07-05T19:38:12Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The purpose was to pressure Mosier and, if Scum, any of his buddies into making a mistake. Josue handled it well, which tells me he is Town or competent Scum. Certain other players reacted in certain ways that gave rise to certain opinions, which I will.share at EoD. > > And good catch; Vote TexCat who’s Josue? ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/440 "2012-07-05T19:57:08Z")
Updated vote count (unvotes not shown, just deleted), not sure if Babale’s unvote of Mosier is valid. TexCat (8): visorslash (337); Mahaloth (349); Mosier (371); Inner Stickler (406); Suburban Plankton (417); Enderw24 (422); Alka Seltzer (428); Babale (437) Inner Stickler (3): Stanislaus (375); fubbleskag (378); TexCat (402) Snickers (2): gnarlycharlie (324); MentalGuy (340) Mosier (2): Babale (379); MHaye (381) MHaye (1): sinjin (326) gnarlycharlie (2): TexCat (309); Hal Briston (429) Mahaloth (1): Snickers (360) I have already mentioned that I do not really think TexCat is scum. I would prefer almost anyone else that has votes except Mosier, but I think it is too late in the Day to try to push an alternative. Hopefully everyone is right and TexCat is scum that is playing very boldly. It is too late toDay for a vote change to mean much and I want to hear from fubbleskag, but if his PM is not the same as gnarlycharlie’s, then gnarly will be my vote for toMorrow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=23)