# MAFIA: The Road to Canterbury - Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 21, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807 "2012-06-21T01:57:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/501 "2012-07-09T19:16:32Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Last Night, I chose to watch **Visorslash**. > > I chose him specifically because he’s the only one alive that’s 100% confirmed Town. This means no one’s investigating him. I also _think_ the protector power’s been used but there’s no guarantee. So given his known town status he’s got a better than average chance of being killed at Night. Huh? Something like this has been said a couple of times - that \*\*Visorslash \*\*has a good chance of being targeted because he’s known town - and I don’t get it. Scum knows exactly who town is anyway - everyone who’s not them is 100% confirmed town, from their perspective. And **Visor** ’s power is gone (he’s even admitted it), so he’s vanilla town anyway. I’m probably wrong, but I think that scum would rather pick off a power instead of a 100% vanilla townie early in the game, making \*\*Visor \*\*one of the last people they’d target. **Ender** , it’s your power and you’re definitely entitled to decide how to use it, but this reasoning doesn’t make much sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/502 "2012-07-09T19:35:17Z")
Ender, did your reply from story mention anything about your power being used and gone? I’m guessing no, because you’d already asked that previously, but thought I’d ask. I’m troubled by that line only appearing in **gnarlycharlie** ’s PM and not anyone else’s. (That they’ve reported, anyway.) ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/503 "2012-07-09T19:47:50Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > **Ender** , it’s your power and you’re definitely entitled to decide how to use it, but this reasoning doesn’t make much sense to me. As I said above, I used my power on Visor for two reasons. One of them is because I (and as you pointed out) others feel that Visor is a higher than average target for Scum. But to fully go into my line of thinking as to how I arrived at my conclusion, would, IMO, do nothing to help Town out and only give Scum some needless strategy advice. So they can keep on believing whatever they want to for whatever reasons they want to. 🙂 But there’s a second reason I targetted Visor and that’s because I felt it unlikely that any Town would target him. The problem with my power is that I learn \*who \*did something, but not \*what \*he or she did. So if two or more players target one person and I find out, where does that leave us? A possible mis-lynch, costing us yet another day. I didn’t want to muddy the waters with this ability so I chose the best path I thought I had available to get the results most useful for Town. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/504 "2012-07-09T19:54:02Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > Ender, did your reply from story mention anything about your power being used and gone? It did not. [QUOTE=storyteller0910] [QUOTE=Enderw24] Good evening. I am going to use my Watch power, targetting Visorslash. [/QUOTE] Visorslash was not targeted during Night Two. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/505 "2012-07-09T20:22:17Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > Huh? Something like this has been said a couple of times - that \*\*Visorslash \*\*has a good chance of being targeted because he’s known town - and I don’t get it. Scum knows exactly who town is anyway - everyone who’s not them is 100% confirmed town, from their perspective. Exactly the point – this game is knowledge vs. numbers. Scum have the knowledge, town have the numbers. Any time one gets a piece of the other, it’s a threat. All townies are confirmed town to scum, but **Visorslash** is the only one the rest of us _know_ are town – that makes him a huge threat to scum. We might not agree with what he has to say, and we have no guarantee he’s correct, but we _don’t_ need to second-guess his motives. That knowledge is absolutely key here. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/506 "2012-07-09T20:25:47Z")
Town needs to be careful discussing PMs, as it gives the scum a potential opportunity to role-fish. Scum would like to target town players who haven’t received an action PM yet. It’s not safe to assume that the moderator is consistent in use of language, or that he hasn’t provided scum with fake action PMs to go with with their fake roles. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/507 "2012-07-09T21:49:09Z")
Sorry again for joining the Day late. Seems like I have fairly minor but somewhat time-consuming activities every weekend and Monday. I plan to do a full reread tonight and post about it either tonight or tomorrow, but in the meantime, I will stick with the vote that I have been casting. **Vote Snickers** Assuming sinjin used the restorative on Visorslash, I think he should pardon whoever is lynched toDay. It would give us either a confirmed Town or confirmed scum. Looking at the scum tools, it looks like the only way the scum could stop him is with the bloody spear, which would reveal a scum anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/508 "2012-07-09T21:59:12Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > please be consistent. you didn’t vote **Texcat** for smudging me. furthermore do you agree that she should have claimed? at any rate, wouldn’t it have been easier for me to vote for **Texcat** since she was an easy target? > > by the way, look at the four you voted for. does that seem like a likely scum team? who would have chosen who? Did TexCat smudge you? It seemed more like she accused you of making a slip. No, I don’t agree she should have claimed. As you yourself said, the claim itself doesn’t mean anything. Scum can claim just as easily, just as accurately, as Town. We get the information about alignment, role and power use from story at Dusk - where’s the benefit to Town of a claim we can’t believe? In fact, I’d expect Scum to claim sooner than Town; they can only benefit from the “can we risk it” discussion following their “reveal”. As for the four I’ve chosen - I’m not trying to get the whole team. I don’t expect to be right about all of them (you) but these are my top individual suspects. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/509 "2012-07-09T22:20:52Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > I’m going to cross my fingers and work under the assumption that **Stanislaus** was not cloaked, and is therefore town. Hal’s missing a possibility here: that fubbles is scum, and so am I. (This is pre-gnarly’s claim) It would definitely be a gambit - but it’s a possibility. The only option he is considering is that I am scum, and fooled an honest investigation. FOS Hal, for implicitly assuming that fubbles is Town. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/510 "2012-07-09T22:25:00Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > On the investigator claims: > > Regardless of whether **gnarlycharlie** ’s claim is fake or not, his decision to target **Stanislaus** was made during the Night cycle. Early in the Day, he [reverses](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15217777#post15217777) his previous [position](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15213738#post15213738) to vote **Snickers** , a player **Stanislaus** was showing suspicion of. In contrast, **fubbleskag** doesn’t buddy up to **Stanislaus** until just before he claims. This is wrong in important ways: 1. If gnarlycharlie is scum, he could decide to “target” me at any time and be sure of getting the right answer. 2. gnarly’s vote for Snickers isn’t a reversal of his position. 3. gnarly’s vote for Snickers as linked to by Alka is from D1, when he could only have known my alignment if he were Scum. He voted Snickers early on D2 as a continuation of his D1 case. This is looking like an effort to protect gnarly and get fubbles lynched. **unvote Enderw24 unvote InnerStickler** **vote Alka Seltzer.** ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/511 "2012-07-09T23:26:04Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > 1. gnarly’s vote for Snickers isn’t a reversal of his position. > > 2. gnarly’s vote for Snickers as linked to by Alka is from D1, when he could only have known my alignment if he were Scum. He voted Snickers early on D2 as a continuation of his D1 case. You’re right here, I made a mistake. When reviewing players I have each post in a different browser window, as there is no way to view their posts consecutively. I’m not completely wrong though. In [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15230222&postcount=324) post, **gnarlycharlie** acknowledges an argument you made: _“now it’s tempting to vote for Texcat but i see the argument why it is likelier she is town.”_ Which you made [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=15229436#post15229436). > [@Stanislaus](#): > > This is looking like an effort to protect gnarly and get fubbles lynched. > > **unvote Enderw24 > unvote InnerStickler** > **vote Alka Seltzer.** If you’re town, I’m disappointed in you here. You should notice I’m voting for **fubbleskag** , and I voiced my suspicions on Days 1 and 2. That’s the 3rd case you’ve made toDay which is predicated on the guilt of another player. ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2012, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/512 "2012-07-09T23:27:34Z")
Meant to [quote] ([http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15229436&postcount=313](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15229436&postcount=313)) the relevant part. “I really doubt TexCat would have initiated the no-lynch discussion as Scum. (I know “Scum wouldn’t do that, unless they would” but drawing attention with a radical plan on Day One is so unnecessarily risky.)” ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/513 "2012-07-10T00:03:25Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > **Vote Snickers** > Assuming sinjin used the restorative on Visorslash, I think he should pardon whoever is lynched toDay. It would give us either a confirmed Town or confirmed scum. Looking at the scum tools, it looks like the only way the scum could stop him is with the bloody spear, which would reveal a scum anyway. I can get behind this idea. He’s certainly pinged me, so I’m fine with the move. If he’s town, woohoo, getting another confirmed would be sweet. If he’s scum, then we have a no-brainer toMorrow. The only problem would be him turning up scum and then that no-brainer becoming a “no-discussioner”, but we can cross that bridge if we need to. Vote **Snickers** ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/514 "2012-07-10T00:23:33Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > I can get behind this idea. He’s certainly pinged me, so I’m fine with the move. If he’s town, woohoo, getting another confirmed would be sweet. If he’s scum, then we have a no-brainer toMorrow. The only problem would be him turning up scum and then that no-brainer becoming a “no-discussioner”, but we can cross that bridge if we need to. > > Vote **Snickers** Before we all jump on Snickers, I think we should discuss whether there’s anyone else we’d rather have confirmed. Just because it’s likely that Visorslash can pardon today’s lynch doesn’t mean we should make the lynch decision casually. Personally, I’d rather have Babale confirmed than Snickers. I don’t have a read from Snickers at all, but I’m suspicious of Babale for reasons mentioned in my last post. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/515 "2012-07-10T00:24:39Z")
Vote: Alka Seltzer I’m still suspicious of MHaye and Babale, but they’ve said nothing to strengthen that suspicion, since then. Alka’s attempts to imply pretty much everybody’s Scum, on the other hand, more than pings me - it screams. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/516 "2012-07-10T00:43:49Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > 1. My research in #472 shows that in previous games Mahaloth and KellyCriterion were friends and happy to be in the same game together, I think it’s reasonable to assume that if one shows up as Scum, the other one will be as well. What research showed we were friends. I did welcome him to the game, but I thought(perhaps wrongly) that he had only played once over a year ago and was simply welcoming him back. I barely know the guy. My only memory is that I correctly called him out as scum in the other game we played. > [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > “I really doubt TexCat would have initiated the no-lynch discussion as Scum. (I know “Scum wouldn’t do that, unless they would” but drawing attention with a radical plan on Day One is so unnecessarily risky.)” It wasn’t that bold and I see no reason scum would not try that. If they put aside their “scumminess”, they would just try to play like town and if they thought of it, suggest it. Alka is pinging me something crazy in this game. Seems like he is kind of just suspicion spraying. It just feels off to me. **Vote Alka** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/517 "2012-07-10T00:44:49Z")
**Vote Alka** ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/518 "2012-07-10T08:14:48Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > It wasn’t that bold and I see no reason scum would not try that. If they put aside their “scumminess”, they would just try to play like town and if they thought of it, suggest it. > > Alka is pinging me something crazy in this game. Seems like he is kind of just suspicion spraying. It just feels off to me. > > **Vote Alka** This is a very lazy vote. You are skimming again, and clearly not following the exchange between me and **Stanislaus**. I didn’t quote this line: “I really doubt TexCat would have initiated the no-lynch discussion as Scum. (I know “Scum wouldn’t do that, unless they would” but drawing attention with a radical plan on Day One is so unnecessarily risky.)” To dispute the argument, but to show that **gnarlycharlie** picked up on it at the beginning of Day 2. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/519 "2012-07-10T08:26:43Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > Did TexCat smudge you? It seemed more like she accused you of making a slip. > > No, I don’t agree she should have claimed. As you yourself said, the claim itself doesn’t mean anything. Scum can claim just as easily, just as accurately, as Town. We get the information about alignment, role and power use from story at Dusk - where’s the benefit to Town of a claim we can’t believe? > > In fact, I’d expect Scum to claim sooner than Town; they can only benefit from the “can we risk it” discussion following their “reveal”. > > As for the four I’ve chosen - I’m not trying to get the whole team. I don’t expect to be right about all of them (you) but these are my top individual suspects. i considered it a smudge because not only did she imply that i slipped but didn’t vote for me, especially in a game where multiple votes are allowed. only after i called her out on it did she vote for me. ---
**Author:** ![KellyCriterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b3f665/32.png) [@KellyCriterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyCriterion)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2012, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/520 "2012-07-10T09:16:06Z")
Greetings all, I see I’m still being missed which is awesome. I’ve just done a read-through and compiled some notes. I hope (later tonight) to get some computer time, and post some meaty analysis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=27)