# MAFIA: The Road to Canterbury - Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 21, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807 "2012-06-21T01:57:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/601 "2012-07-12T16:46:41Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Besides, when I said Storyteller doesn’t like powers resolving instantly, I really meant that. There’s a game in this group’s history (Last Bastion on [idlemafia.com](http://idlemafia.com)) where Storyteller was killed out in the middle of one Day with little or no warning. He did _not_ like it. He’d never put a role like that in one of his games, simply because he’s been on the receiving end and had his fun ruined. OOG: I wouldn’t say my fun was ruined. I think that was my third-favorite game to play in ever, and one of the top two wasn’t even really Mafia. But I’m happy to say this publicly: **ALL actions resolve at Dusk or at Dawn, with no exception (I suppose a modkill for very egregious rule violation might be instantaneous, but I don’t think we need to worry about that.** ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/602 "2012-07-12T17:18:39Z")
**Unvote Mahaloth** Just because I don’t want the Day ending with multiple votes and since no one else is voting for him it’s pretty much irrelevant at this point. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/603 "2012-07-12T20:14:23Z")
> [@Snickers](#): > > Wow, that’s a crap vote. First off, both **gnarlycharlie** and **MentalGuy** are voting me for stale reasons does old reasoning necessarily make my vote invalid? > [@Snickers](#): > > I’m with **Enderw24** - I don’t agree with the reasoning behind pardon the lynch leader, if **Visor** has been recharged. It lessens accountability and gives scum a place to hide, and I don’t like it. “I’m voting, but I don’t really mean it” isn’t a place a townie should be. > > Vote gnarlycharlie > > He pinged me earlier, and I haven’t been able to shake it. And his claim seems > In his [vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15217777&postcount=254) for me way back in D1, he mischaracterises me as thinking that investigations are only valuable if they reveal scum. I don’t think that, and I never did. Neither did I think that late investigations don’t suffer from the same issues as early ones. Look at [post 105](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15194713&postcount=105), my direct response to the first time he raises these questions. Either he’s not reading or he’s trying to build a shoddy case just before EOD without jumping on a wagon (a case that he hasn’t bothered to update since). i don’t think i’m mischaracterizing what you said. an investigation result is good whether the result is scum or town. why discourage investigation at all? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/604 "2012-07-13T01:52:06Z")
Dammit, I really told myself I wouldn’t let this happen in this game. Sorry for the delay. Dusk momentarily. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/605 "2012-07-13T01:58:52Z")
[Anticipation](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLoyg3JKRQ)… ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/606 "2012-07-13T01:59:28Z")
…Actually, not momentarily. I must attend to an administrative matter and will hold the official Dusk until I have. Expect Night Three to begin no later than 8AM Eastern tomorrow. Management apologizes to all for the delay. In recompense for the inconvenience, everyone will be given a duck. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/607 "2012-07-13T02:17:42Z")
Perfect! Then, before we lynch anyone, we can weight them against the duck. Everyone knows that Scum are lighter than a duck! ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/608 "2012-07-13T12:59:04Z")
**Day Three** The Day’s deliberations were long… _very_ long… extending well into the early evening in spite of the fact that a rough consensus had developed some hours before. It was almost as if some unseen force had misplaced a critical spreadsheet, needed to ensure that all events were properly tracked and announced. But that was silly superstition, surely. Eventually, as the sky turned to full dark, they settled on a victim and led him to the noose. He went quickly, and quietly; he had always believed in the rule of law - yea, even over the rules of heaven - and he had no intention of betraying his belief at the last. Some believed that he would be saved by some last-minute intervention. It was only when his feet finally stopped kicking that they realized they were to be disappointed. When the dust settled and the body had been properly buried, the 16 living pilgrims retired for the night. And the rest, except for the ethereal sound of quacking, was silence. * * * **fubbleskag** , The Man of Law, has been lynched. His power had been used. Night Three begins now and will end on the late side of the 1-5 period on Saturday (probably right around 5). Also, **RyJae** has joined the game in place of **Alka Seltzer**. Play nice. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/609 "2012-07-13T13:13:27Z")
FFS. Sorry fubbles. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/610 "2012-07-13T13:31:16Z")
Dammit. ---
**Author:** ![Snickers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Snickers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snickers)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/611 "2012-07-13T13:35:35Z")
But at least we all have ducks. And RyJae, too - welcome! ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/612 "2012-07-13T13:57:40Z")
Hello townies 🙂 I have been paying attention since the start, I was just a day late to volunteer to play. I love this game, even when it feels like you’re banging your head against a brick wall. Now I want my duck, in orange sauce please. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/613 "2012-07-13T13:58:40Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > Apologies in advance, on my phone again. > > I am the man of law. Last night I investigated Stanislaus and was informed that he is not a member of the brotherhood unless the cloak was used. > > I wanted to avoid overlap and thought it safest to investigate someone unlikely to have garnered too much attention. I chose him specifically from that list because I feel he is a strong mafia (the game) player and knowing his alignment held more weight than the other candidates. > [@Stanislaus](#): > > \*\* > vote fubbleskag\*\* > [@Stanislaus](#): > > FFS. Sorry fubbles. FFS indeed. When fubbleskag role claimed, the result it came as no shock to me. At that point, you hadn’t pinged me as scum. But now…? Fubbleskag targetted you, Stanislaus, and said you’re not scum. He was the very first person in the game to make a role claim which has to be a huge risk if he’s scum. Now you know with 100% certainty whether you’re town or scum. So let’s assume you’re town. Fubbleskag says you’re town. You know Fubbleskag is correct which lends credence to his role claim. So then you turn around and lynch him? How does that make any sense? I mean, you can argue that he used the Momento. Or you can argue that if he was scum he’d already know with certainty that you’re Town and therefore wouldn’t need to guess. But you used neither of those rationalizations when you voted for him. So tell me, there wasn’t a single other person in the game pinging your scum meter harder than the guy who first stepped up and said you were Town? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/614 "2012-07-13T13:59:50Z")
> [@RyJae](#): > > Hello townies 🙂 I have been paying attention since the start, I was just a day late to volunteer to play. I love this game, even when it feels like you’re banging your head against a brick wall. > > Now I want my duck, in orange sauce please. Welcome to the game RyJae. Have you had the opportunity to review the other board’s postings to get caught up there? ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/615 "2012-07-13T14:14:59Z")
Admitting that I clearly screwed-up by letting last-minute self doubt get the better of me… > [@Enderw24](#): > > Fubbleskag targetted you, Stanislaus, and said you’re not scum. He was the very first person in the game to make a role claim which has to be a huge risk if he’s scum. Now you know with 100% certainty whether you’re town or scum. > So let’s assume you’re town. Fubbleskag says you’re town. You know Fubbleskag is correct which lends credence to his role claim. Why is it a risk to claim? (NB you’re wrong - Mosier claimed first). Why does fubbleskag knowing I’m town lend credence to his role claim? Do you not see how he would also know this if he is scum? Did you not read my first response to his claim, which included mention of how it didn’t prove his allegiance? Did you not read his acknowledgement of this point in his reply? ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/616 "2012-07-13T14:16:51Z")
RyJae, Welcome to the game! How did you feel when you discovered you were Scum? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/617 "2012-07-13T14:18:39Z")
??? Are we cracking jokes or did I miss something revealing in RyJae’s post? ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/618 "2012-07-13T14:36:07Z")
It’s a shame that fubbleskag died and came up Town, but that does give us some extra information. In this game, there are two problems with believing an investigator’s claim. One is that the investigator might be a lying member of the Brotherhood. The other is that the investigated player might be wearing the Cloak of Lies. Since fubbleskag was Town, we can believe his report that he investigated Stanislaus, and that Stanislaus came up Town. I will now reveal without further ado that the result of fubbleskag’s investigation was not corrupted by the Cloak of Lies. I am The Clerk of Oxford. On Night 1 I asked Storyteller whether the Cloak of Lies had been selected by the Brotherhood. He said no. [QUOTE=storyteller0910] The Cloak of Lies is not in the game as of Night One. [/QUOTE] I don’t believe there is a way to corrupt my investigation (beyond removing my power before I use it). The conclusion I draw from this is that Stanislaus is Town. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/619 "2012-07-13T14:37:19Z")
Other board? Ha I get it. I will be upfront in my PM to storyteller I told him I would be willing to fill in or be spoiled. And I gave my suspicions on who was scum. You know as a record for if I got spoiled I could use as a aha I knew it all along. I was wrong on Alka, now me. I was in agreement with Texcats idea on who scum was. Which included me. Also in full disclosure I did not have any limitations on who I would fill in for, I really did think I was coming in as scum. But I got the PM and did a :smack: > [@](#): > > OK, you’re on. Here’s your role PM: > > Welcome to the game, you are The Physician[blockquote]In all the world, there is no doctor of medicine more skilled and accomplished than you. Unfortunately, this still means a lot of leeches and astrology – the country where penicillin will be invented hasn’t even been invented yet - but when one has the plague one takes what one can get. Unfortunately, your current journey is a pilgrimage, not a business trip; you’ve left the majority of your tools at home. You have room enough in your pack for exactly one item to carry with you on the trip to Canterbury; during Night Zero, you will choose which of the following two to bring along. Thereafter, you may use the item at your discretion. > > (1) Emergency Kit: If you choose to bring along this item, once per game you will have the option to provide medical attention to any TWO players of your choice, protecting them from harm. Only poison (see Scum Tools) can circumvent this protection, though you yourself can always be blocked. > > (2) Antivenom: If you administer this serum to any player, (s)he will be immune to death by poison (see Scum Tools). You may dose a player with this even after (s)he has already been poisoned, and if you do, the poison will not harm him or her. > > NOTE: Whether you choose to bring along the antivenom or not, as long as you are alive you will see the signs at Dawn if any player is poisoned in the Night.[/blockquote] > > – > > Alka Seltzer chose item 1 (the emergency kit) and protected himself and Visorslash on Night One. You therefore have no power remaining. Have fun! So anyway, I have to rethink my entire pre-entering scum line up. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2012, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/620 "2012-07-13T14:39:02Z")
RyJae, welcome back. 🙂 (I now have Led Zeppelin running through my head.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=32)