# MAFIA: The Road to Canterbury - Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 21, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807 "2012-06-21T01:57:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/781 "2012-07-24T15:39:26Z")
I’ll be brief here, since the Dope seems to be bouncing up and down for me this morning, and I’m having one of those days at work. **I am the Prioress.** I protected myself last Night because \*\*Hal \*\*had made it pretty clear who he was going to target. I was hoping to be able to use my power in a more obviously beneficial way, but I figured it was better to self-preserve than to simply die. More later, job and hamsters willing. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/782 "2012-07-24T15:52:50Z")
I’m not voting for Suburban Plankton. Not yet anyway. I need to do a lot more research before I just jump on the bandwagon. In fact, I need to do some looking back at just toDay to figure out how, exactly, this bandwagon started. I don’t know if Suburban Plankton is scum. I don’t know if he’s not scum either. He’s kinda been off my radar this whole game. And looking at the list which Stanislaus just posted, he’s been off everyone’s! Look at it. Day 1 through 4 and not a single Day ends with a vote for Suburban. Hell, there may not have been a single vote for him cast this entire game! Now, suddenly, there’s a 5-0 race to get him lynched? I’m not ready to call it that easily. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/783 "2012-07-24T16:28:43Z")
i’m going to go over the rules to see how scum might protect one of its own. in the meantime **Unvote Suburban Plankton** if he really is scum, **Hal** would be too and lying about trying to kill **Burby**. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/784 "2012-07-24T16:32:59Z")
NETA: if **SP** is town, it still doesn’t answer why there wasn’t a scum kill. are they doing it on purpose? is their strategy to make town use our powers and clean up after? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/785 "2012-07-24T16:41:39Z")
For those questioning my Survivor vs. Win-Stealer status, I know this is “malevolent 3rd party wouldn’t do that”, but I came across something. I was just doing a re-read of the past two Days, and realized something in my [role-claim post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15293250&postcount=700): > [@](#): > > You will note that investigations always deliver a Scum/not-Scum response. Thus they will not reveal your identity. However, if you happen to be investigated while under the influence of the Canon’s potion of True Sight, your true alignment will be revealed to the investigator. If I were a win-stealer, wouldn’t I be afraid of the Potion of True Sight being used, especially since I’m a pretty damn good choice for its use? It would have been a simple matter for me to remove those lines, but I C&P’d my role exactly as it stood. Just putting it out there… ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/786 "2012-07-24T16:43:22Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Only if you also think that lynching a vig who hits town players is not the same as lynching town. It’s not so cut and dried. A vigilante still wins with town, and is always acting in town’s best interest. Hal is an enormous unknown to us. Maybe he has an exclusive win condition. Maybe he’s scum-aligned. Maybe he changes his mind and decides to win with scum. _We don’t know._ I don’t get how you can draw a parallel between “vig” and whatever Hal is, and act like they’re entirely equivalent. I’ve already said I’m willing to let him make one of those kills, and I’m willing to think about letting him ride out the game if he hits scum. But we as a group need to discuss this stuff. He very well might not be entirely on the level. On a different note: Suburban Plankton, did you hint anywhere about your power? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/787 "2012-07-24T16:47:59Z")
Oof, Hal, that’s a really scummy thing to post. Suburban has claimed prioress? Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/788 "2012-07-24T16:54:01Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > **If he’s 3rd party and not a PFK** , lynching him is just as damaging to town as lynching a town player and therefore equally attractive to scum. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I don’t get how you can draw a parallel between “vig” and whatever Hal is, and act like they’re entirely equivalent. Because I’m not. I’m drawing a parallel between vig and a third party role with access to kills. If Hal is not third party, then no, they are not equivalent. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/789 "2012-07-24T16:54:24Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > NETA: if **SP** is town, it still doesn’t answer why there wasn’t a scum kill. are they doing it on purpose? is their strategy to make town use our powers and clean up after? I think it’s exceedingly unlikely they skipped a night kill. Story’s color hints that something very unusual happened in the interaction of powers. We’re mostly certain of Mosier is the Seraph. This explains the no-poison-death. Suburban claims he protected himself, and Hal claims he attacked Suburban. They’d both have to be scum for this to be a ruse. And, the jig will be up if either dies, so for now we can dismiss this, too. I can’t check the rules easily on my phone, but I think a protection only saves against one attempted kill. So scum didn’t attack Suburban. If the rules say otherwise, they _could have_, but why would they when Hal has been very clear on his intent? Nobody else died. Nobody else has claimed anything related to this mess. So… where _did_ the scum kill go? One possibility: Hal Bristol is scum, and used a Storyteller-provided cover role. His “special” kill was in fact a regular scum kill, and failed against Suburban’s self-protect. This seems plausible to me, and accounts for all variables. Any mistakes in my reasoning? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/790 "2012-07-24T16:56:21Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Oof, Hal, that’s a really scummy thing to post. ??? If I were afraid of being investigated, I would have edited my PM so as to not put the idea in anyone’s head. Saying _that_ is “really scummy”? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/791 "2012-07-24T16:58:20Z")
Pointing it out is. “Hey guys, look over here at this thing I did which a scum person would totally not do and I did it so clearly I’m not scum. Look, look, look at it!” ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/792 "2012-07-24T17:01:37Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Nobody else died. Nobody else has claimed anything related to this mess. So… where _did_ the scum kill go? Exceptionally unlikely (for many reasons) possibility, but a possibility nonetheless: **Plankton** _isn’t_ scum, and scum also took a shot at him last night. And god dammit, if you’re going to smudge me, at least get my name right. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/793 "2012-07-24T17:07:22Z")
That’s definitely a possibility. I think protections only defend against a single kill attempt, but if I’m wrong, that’s certainly a possibility, though unlikely. Sorry about your name. At least it’s not really a smudge. I’ve definitely accused you of being scum. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/794 "2012-07-24T17:25:45Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Sorry about your name. At least it’s not really a smudge. I’ve definitely accused you of being scum. 😃 Heh, all is forgiven, then. As to my being scum, well, hopefully I make it to toNight and I can try and write _actual_ scum out of the story. Change these tales up a bit…maybe give them a nice sci-fi flair or something. 🙂 It won’t convince everyone that I’m not a win-stealer, but since my PM is clear in that the color of the kill will not be anything scum-tool-based, hopefully it’ll remove my being scum from the table. Oooo…“Geoffrey Chaucer’s Evil Dead”…I _like_ it! ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/795 "2012-07-24T17:51:34Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > Inner, > > My concern isn’t really about SP vs Hal. As Mosier pointed out, we’re getting to the stage where it’s very easy for the scum to manipulate the vote, because their signal is less likely to be drowned out by noise. > > Given that warning, I’m just a little alarmed to see the vote count rack up to 5-0 so quickly. I don’t expect everyone voting for SP is scum, but if we’re not going to generate any other candidates, we’re making life ludicrously easy for them. This entire argument is ridiculous. The more candidates, the easier it is for scum to drive the truck. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/796 "2012-07-24T18:00:44Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > ??? > > If I were afraid of being investigated, I would have edited my PM so as to not put the idea in anyone’s head. Saying _that_ is “really scummy”? Of course, we know that the Canon claimed to have used the Restorative, don’t we? So you’d have no reason to believe that the True Sight is even in play. Unless you DO have reason to believe that, and are hiding something. Besides, you CLAIM to have done a simple C&P job. How do we know that’s true? ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/797 "2012-07-24T18:14:08Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > For those questioning my Survivor vs. Win-Stealer status, I know this is “malevolent 3rd party wouldn’t do that”, but I came across something. I was just doing a re-read of the past two Days, and realized something in my [role-claim post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15293250&postcount=700): > > If I were a win-stealer, wouldn’t I be afraid of the Potion of True Sight being used, especially since I’m a pretty damn good choice for its use? It would have been a simple matter for me to remove those lines, but I C&P’d my role exactly as it stood. > > Just putting it out there… The Potion of True Sight is a Canon ability. The Canon ( **sinjin** ) was killed on Night 2, and we were told that he used his Power. If he chose the Potion rather than the Restorative, and used it on Night 2, then it would have still been in effect last Night. Of course, two of our three Investigators used their powers on Night 1, but it’s possible that the Reeve could have ‘successfully’ investigated you last Night. \*if \*the Canon chose the Potion and \*if \*he used it on the (unknown) Reeve and \*if \*the Reeve is Town That’s a lot of ‘_ifs_’. I suppose that it was possible given our knowledge yesterDay that \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*(the Friar) could have been the Seraph, so he could have investigated you with the beneft of the Potion, but that still didn’t make it a likely scenario. Also, an Investigator wouldn’t, as far as I can tell, know that they had been administered the Potion, so they might not want to risk ‘wasting’ their power on an investigation of you, since it would be likely that it would return a ‘false’ result. So I don’t think you were in a lot of danger of being ‘found out’ by the Potion of True Sight. Yes, it was a risk, but not a very big one. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/798 "2012-07-24T18:15:19Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > On a different note: Suburban Plankton, did you hint anywhere about your power? Not intentionally. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/799 "2012-07-24T18:31:22Z")
Re-read the rules. The line about protection from the prioress is : _Once per game, you may target a player of your choice at Night (or target yourself). If this player is attacked, the attack will fail. Only poison (see Scum Tools) can circumvent this protection, though you yourself can always be blocked._ So it looks like the protection is absolute. To be clear: **Storyteller, will a protection defend against multiple attacks?** ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2012, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/800 "2012-07-24T18:43:11Z")
For the record, I don’t think Hal is Scum. Scum wouldn’t go to that much effort to construct such an elaborate false claim. And while I think that ‘flipping’ a Townie to 3rd-Party is plausible, I don’t think doing the same for a Scum is remotely likely, because but would be extremely unfair to the other Scum. But whether Hal is a (relatively) benign Third Party, or a PFK, is another question. Unfortunately for Hal, I don’t think there’s any way for him to prove it to us one way or the other, meaning that we need to get rid of him sooner or later. One thing that Hal mentioned when he claimed struck me, though > [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Also note: **story** said that I “get to find out **one of** the hidden elements of the game” (bolding mine) So I’m thinking there’s a good chance someone else here isn’t who they seem to be – perhaps someone with a more malevolent goal. I can’t help but think of \*\*Stanislaus \*\*when reading this. He was investigated twice on Night 1 and came up Town. There were initially a couple of “what if’s…” with regard to his alignment, but once fubbleskag turned up Town and MHaye told us that the Cloak of Lies was not in use, I think we’ve all pretty penciled in Stanislaus as Town. I’m wondering why two different people investigated Stanislaus in Night 1. He must have done something to make himself a juicy target. Perhaps that wasn’t an accident. Perhaps he knew that an investigation of him would return ‘Town’. If this comes across as a blatant smudge on Stanislaus, that’s probably because it kind of is…but not really. There’s nothing I can point to right now that paints Stanislaus as “likely Scum”, but that’s in large part because I haven’t really been looking at him at all since his Day 2 double-‘confirmation’. It’s nothing more than a “bad feeling” at this point, but since my neck is on the block right now this isn’t the time to keep my thoughts to myself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=41)