# MAFIA: The Road to Canterbury - Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 21, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807 "2012-06-21T01:57:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/861 "2012-07-26T20:52:27Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Your stabbing Big Brother in the back in Firefly mafia is close, though. You have to admit that. That it was…although I had never seen the show at the time, so much of the irony was lost on me. Good memory, though. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/862 "2012-07-26T21:02:12Z")
For a while there, I had a glimmer of hope that I’d make it through the Day… ☹ Oh well, c’est la mort. **story, can I have spoilers, please?** ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/863 "2012-07-26T21:06:43Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > That it was…although I had never seen the show at the time, so much of the irony was lost on me. > > Good memory, though. Thanks. 🙂 It’s one of my stock of “You can’t rule out unlikely stuff, because less likely things have been known to happen” tales, along with things like Night 1 of Pedescribe’s Terminator II game. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/864 "2012-07-26T21:11:56Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > **Suburban Plankton** , who started out as the REEVE but was a member of the Brotherhood of the Rose, has been lynched. Well done guys. I’m glad you guys could see something that I obviously couldn’t. But there’s still two pieces outstanding from Day 5 I’d like to look at. One, we know that Suburban couldn’t protect himself the Prioress power (though I agree with **MHaye** that it’s extremely likely the Prioress is Scum as well). So what protected him? Hawk’s one option. Anything else? Second, where did Scum kill go? We know for certain it wasn’t a double protection of Suburban. Was it a second block? No one’s stepping up to take credit here. Finally, this is now the first official confirmation in the game of “the Brotherhood of the Rose.” ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/865 "2012-07-26T21:31:49Z")
Just reminding everyone that as the Seraph I’m likely to die tonight. If anyone has a trick up their sleeve to save me, I’d appreciate it. I can’t find anything in the rules that would save me, but I guess you never know. Before I die, I’d like to hopefully influence the vote tomorrow. Suburban Plankton was the only vigorous defender of RyJae when I accused him. There’s no reason for him to do that if RyJae were town. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/866 "2012-07-26T22:12:12Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Well done guys. I’m glad you guys could see something that I obviously couldn’t. > > But there’s still two pieces outstanding from Day 5 I’d like to look at. One, we know that Suburban couldn’t protect himself the Prioress power (though I agree with **MHaye** that it’s extremely likely the Prioress is Scum as well). So what protected him? Hawk’s one option. Anything else? Yes. You’re assuming Hal really did attack him last Night. We cannot be sure of that - there is no evidence supporting Hal’s claim at all. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/867 "2012-07-26T22:45:22Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Before I die, I’d like to hopefully influence the vote tomorrow. Suburban Plankton was the only vigorous defender of RyJae when I accused him. There’s no reason for him to do that if RyJae were town. :dubious: There’s a very good reason why a scum player might mount a vigorous defense of a town player. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/868 "2012-07-27T02:53:55Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > :dubious: > > There’s a very good reason why a scum player might mount a vigorous defense of a town player. Can we at least agree to starting this discussion with the presumption that RyJae is certainly not confirmed or “likely” town? Several players have made lists of their confirmed and/or likely town leans, which include RyJae’s name. I’d like to at least dispel the idea that RyJae belongs on such a list. At the very least, he revealed physician (with power depleted) when only scum could have benefited from the knowledge. There was no conceivable benefit for town to have that knowledge. I propose that he made the reveal in order to appeal to the sense of trust people have for players who offer info. This somehow earned him a spot on several players’ “trusted” list. I’d like to begin the discussion about him without the presumption of innocence he has enjoyed so far. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/869 "2012-07-27T12:25:55Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > Can we at least agree to starting this discussion with the presumption that RyJae is certainly not confirmed or “likely” town? Several players have made lists of their confirmed and/or likely town leans, which include RyJae’s name. I’d like to at least dispel the idea that RyJae belongs on such a list. > > At the very least, he revealed physician (with power depleted) when only scum could have benefited from the knowledge. There was no conceivable benefit for town to have that knowledge. I propose that he made the reveal in order to appeal to the sense of trust people have for players who offer info. This somehow earned him a spot on several players’ “trusted” list. I’d like to begin the discussion about him without the presumption of innocence he has enjoyed so far. ``` I don't think Alka/myself are on an innocent list, that I have seen. I know I don't like innocent lists, except mod confirmed in any shape anyway. Only one person can escape the magnifying glass, Visor. ``` Since you started your line of reasoning, which I will mention again since you skip this part. \*\*You based it on wrong assumptions, proven wrong assumptions, the sub in (me for Alka was not the delay), no one should have known you where poisoned, and yet you have never acknowledged your blatant mistakes. \*\* You’re like puppy with a slipper, let it go, and go find a nice juicy bone. I even left some meat on that gnarly bone. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/870 "2012-07-27T14:00:50Z")
Updated Player List w/claimed roles and actions **Unknown** 1. Mahaloth 2. Inner Stickler 3. Babale 4. MentalGuy 5. Tengu (now known as Kamino Neko), replaced by Astral Rejection **Claimed** 5. gnarlycharly - Friar - investigated Stanislaus N1 - result: S is Town 6. [del]Alka Seltzer[/del] RyJae - Physician - protected self & visor N1 - no kill? 11. Enderw24 - Nun’s Priest - watched Visor N2 - no activity 15. Mosier - Summoner/Seraph - watched SP N1 - no activity. Watched Babale N4 - result pending 18. MHaye - Clerk - checked Cloak N1 - Cloak not in play 19. Hal Briston - Chaucer - gained Shipman power - attempted NK on SP N4 - SP lived. **For All Intents and Purposes, Claimed** **13. Visorslash - Pardoner** -Pardoned self D1 **Other** 3. Stanislaus (investigated as town by fubbleskag, while MHaye says the _Cloak of Lies_ is not in play) **Dead** **7. Texcat - Miller - died with power unused 10. sinjin - Canon - used potion - presumed Restorative, presumed on visor 14. fubbleskag - Man of Law - investigated Stanislaus N1 - S reported Town 17. Snickers - Knight - used action - presumably drew attack 16. KellyCriterion - Shipman- power unused - apparently claimed by Hal 8. Suburban Plankton - Prioress - protected self N4 - didn’t die** ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/871 "2012-07-27T14:07:11Z")
Spotted a mistake in the dead list, Hal. Suburban Plankton should read: - **8. Suburban Plankton - Reeve - didn’t die N4 (despite claimed but unverified attack)** SP _wasn’t_ the Prioress, and could not have protected himself, even with the Memento. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/872 "2012-07-27T14:10:01Z")
Hal, your list is off a bit. At a glace I see three things: 1. Suburban Plankton wasn’t the Prioress. Suburban was the Reeve. He lied about his claim and about his action. 2. Visor didn’t watch me. At least, I really don’t remember that claim and if Visor is the Pardoner, there’s no way he could watch me. 3. The claims by the investigators was NOT that the investigatees were Town. It’s that they weren’t scum. There’s a difference as you should well know, given your claim. That’s three big ones just skimming through that list. So you really really should double check the whole thing. ETA: AAAAh, Never mind about #2. I thought it said Watched \*\*BY \*\*Visor, which confused me. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/873 "2012-07-27T14:20:21Z")
Gaaa…thanks guys. I did that in a bit of a rush so I could get a “players” page added to my signature. Didn’t think about difference since the last one. Update is on its way. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/874 "2012-07-27T14:27:00Z")
Ok, here’s an updated version with the above changes. I don’t have time to double-check every claim at the moment (huge work project due by noon), but if anyone points anything out, I’ll be happy to make the change. Otherwise I’ll recheck each of the claims this afternoon. Updated Player List w/claimed roles and actions **Unknown** 1. Mahaloth 2. Inner Stickler 3. Babale 4. MentalGuy 5. Tengu (now known as Kamino Neko), replaced by Astral Rejection **Claimed** 5. gnarlycharly - Friar - investigated Stanislaus N1 - result: S is non-scum 6. [del]Alka Seltzer[/del] RyJae - Physician - protected self & visor N1 - no kill? 11. Enderw24 - Nun’s Priest - watched Visor N2 - no activity 15. Mosier - Summoner/Seraph - watched SP N1 - no activity. Watched Babale N4 - result pending 18. MHaye - Clerk - checked Cloak N1 - Cloak not in play 19. Hal Briston - Chaucer - gained Shipman power - attempted NK on SP N4 - SP lived. **For All Intents and Purposes, Claimed** **13. Visorslash - Pardoner** -Pardoned self D1 **Other** 3. Stanislaus (investigated as non-scum by fubbleskag, while MHaye says the _Cloak of Lies_ is not in play) **Dead** **7. Texcat - Miller - died with power unused 10. sinjin - Canon - used potion - presumed Restorative, presumed on visor 14. fubbleskag - Man of Law - investigated Stanislaus N1 - S reported non-scum 17. Snickers - Knight - used action - presumably drew attack 16. KellyCriterion - Shipman - power unused - apparently claimed by Hal 8. Suburban Plankton - Reeve - didn’t die N4 (despite claimed but unverified attack)** ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/875 "2012-07-27T14:29:10Z")
> [@Hal\_Briston](#): > > Gaaa…thanks guys. I did that in a bit of a rush so I could get a “players” page added to my signature. Didn’t think about difference since the last one. Update is on its way. Have you found how to shorten your sig? [noparse][post=15189849]Post 1[/post][/noparse] =\> [post=15189849]Post 1[/post]. It’s a lot shorter than the URL tag. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/876 "2012-07-27T14:30:02Z")
Ahh, I see. Ah well – I just made it into a web page. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/877 "2012-07-27T14:40:13Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > Have you found how to shorten your sig? > > [noparse][post=15189849]Post 1[/post][/noparse] =\> [post=15189849]Post 1[/post]. > > It’s a lot shorter than the URL tag. You taught me something new, at least! ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/878 "2012-07-27T14:45:39Z")
So here are the people left unclaimed: 1. Mahaloth 2. Inner Stickler 3. Stanislaus 4. Babale 5. MentalGuy 6. Astral Rejection Here are the roles left unclaimed: 1. The Squire 2. The Merchant 3. The Monk 4. The Prioress 5. The Cook 6. The Parson We know the Reeve was a scum role. I strongly believe, given the false claim, that the Prioress is a scum role. That leaves two. I’m going to go out on a limb and say that I also believe that the Squire is a scum role. I’m not certain, of course, but here’s my rationale. This is the squire’s ability: > [@](#): > > Once per game, you may target any dead Town player at Night. If your target has already used his/her power, you will learn what (s)he did and what the results were. If your target has not already used his/her power, you may adopt it as your own and use it as if you had their role. Ability #2 looks interesting and, were I the squire I’d be tempted to use it for that given the right ability pick-up. But there’s something huge that can be done with role 1. Snickers, the Knight, used his power. He was guarding someone and then he died. Now, maybe Scum targeted Snickers. Maybe scum targetted Snickers’ protection. It’s 50/50. But we as a group have never really discussed those possibilities, mainly because it was impossible to know. Not so for the Squire. How I’m reading it is that the squire’s ability can show us who acted upon Snickers and that would be a huge information gain! But the squire hasn’t shown his face yet. There’s still time tonight but my thinking (and obviously I’m not 100% certain on this) is that the reason the squire hasn’t claimed is that there’s no longer a role of squire for Town to claim. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/879 "2012-07-27T14:53:20Z")
Enderw24, I disagree. If my read of thy description is correct, we’d learn who Snickers guarded, not who did the killing. There’s nothing in Snickers’ role that would yield that information. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/880 "2012-07-27T14:54:23Z")
“Thy” is an auto-corrected “that.” But in this setting, that typo kinda works! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=45)