# MAFIA: The Road to Canterbury - Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 21, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807 "2012-06-21T01:57:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/921 "2012-07-29T17:36:46Z")
Hmm…I had said there was a one-in-three spot for the Prioress to try and hide, but it’s actually one-in-four – I had forgotten that, while semi-confirmed, **Stanislaus** has not made a role claim as of yet. So, for purposes of this, I’m grouping him in with the rest. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Also, no, I don’t object to a mass claim. There aren’t too many of us left, but would it be wise to have Visorslash decide the order, if he’s available? > > The way I see it, the scum prioress will have to false claim something, and I assume they’ll false-claim to match whoever we as a town already suspect the most, to increase the chance of surviving one more night. I’d prefer to at least try to stymie that. If **Visorslash** wants to put out an order, I’m cool with that – but really, I’m fine with players coming clean the next time they post. A town player is going to want to get their role out there as quickly as possible, and let’s face it, toDay’s lynch is going to be a 50/50 between the Prioress and whoever is matching up with the Prioress’ claim. They can try and play it with whoever is most suspicious, but really, it’ll be a coin flip. Scum _will_ be lynched – the only question is if it’s toNight or tomorrow Night. Holding out, waiting to see who claims what first, will be biggest suspicious move someone can make right now, IMO. So then, **Babale** , **MentalGuy** , **Astral Rejection** and **Stanislaus** – you’ve got Merchant, Monk, Cook and Prioress unclaimed. What say you? ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/922 "2012-07-29T17:51:42Z")
[OOG]just wanted to let you guys know that a typhoon is hitting us now. power may go out and i may be unable to participate. [/OOG] ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/923 "2012-07-29T18:08:02Z")
Explain to me why a town player wants to put their role out as soon as possible? That gives scum the most choices to fake a claim. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/924 "2012-07-29T20:26:51Z")
Visor, I appreciate your wariness of my PM to you. And for the record to everyone else, that PM was sent on Night 1. I sent it fully aware of the risk that you’d turn around and label me Scum. I considered it an acceptable risk to take. It wasn’t done to cozy up to you. To be brutally honest, I never expected you to last as long in the game as you had, which is precisely why I sent that PM in the first place. You were a target and, while I assumed you had come to that conclusion yourself I wanted to make you aware of it so that, should you choose, you could say what you needed to say before you died. The rationale behind my reasoning still stands even now. So if scum haven’t figured it out I’m not going to help them along by continuing to discuss it. FTR, my wife is calling me scum right now. Mainly because I should be doing some housework right now and not posting as much on this game thread (or anywhere online) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/925 "2012-07-29T21:06:36Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Explain to me why a town player wants to put their role out as soon as possible? That gives scum the most choices to fake a claim. Because townies have nothing to hide. No matter when it’s done, scum has exactly three fake claims they can make. They can claim Merchant, Monk or Cook, and it doesn’t matter _when_ they make the claim, there will still be a counter-claim. Let’s say the scum Prioress is going to claim Monk. If they claim it before the actual Monk, then the real Monk will come in and say “that guy is scum because _I’m_ the real Monk”. If the real Monk claims first, then scum will come in and say the exact same thing. We’re going to have pretty close to a coin flip either way. Like I said, I can pretty much get behind the idea of a claiming order, and I’d be happy if **Visorslash** would come in and post an order, but if he doesn’t post an order by tomorrow afternoon (real time), then it’ll get into “put up or shut up” time for the four unknowns. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/926 "2012-07-29T21:44:52Z")
Ultimately, I guess it doesn’t much matter. I just wanted to understand your thought process. I’m the merchant. I’d like to leave it as an exercise for the scum as to whether or not I’ve used my power yet. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/927 "2012-07-29T21:46:02Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > :dubious: > > > [@Mosier](#): > > > > Before I die, I’d like to hopefully influence the vote tomorrow. Suburban Plankton was the only vigorous defender of RyJae when I accused him. There’s no reason for him to do that if RyJae were town. > > There’s a very good reason why a scum player might mount a vigorous defense of a town player. So that’s two scum defending Ryjae. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/928 "2012-07-29T22:36:19Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > So that’s two scum defending Ryjae. And one unknown not claiming. Unless you have a reason you think it isn’t a good plan. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/929 "2012-07-29T22:40:58Z")
Why so certain that the Prioress is scum? There’s a fairly obvious case for a Town Prioress not claiming: 1. SP was a virtual certainty to lynch in any case. 2. Scum may have the Bloody Spear. 3. Protective roles who admit their existence on a Day when a scum is runaway vote leader have a good chance of having their (self) protective abilities rendered null by use of the Bloody Spear by the already IDed scum. I wouldn’t have claimed under those circumstances. We’ve run away with this idea that SP would have used a team-mate’s roleclaim because…??? why exactly ???. without ever really examining it. So, everyone who’s sure the Prioress is scum - how does the Bloody Spear fit into your assessment? ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2012, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/930 "2012-07-29T22:58:39Z")
Not a terrible theory. I have my doubts that it worked that way, but if it did, kudos to the scum who came up with the plan. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/931 "2012-07-30T02:03:35Z")
Hal, kill RyJae. I think that’s acceptable. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/932 "2012-07-30T02:07:30Z")
Or maybe Astral. I’m not entirely sure. Is there links to the updates so I can go back an reread? ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/933 "2012-07-30T02:11:36Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > Hal, kill RyJae. I think that’s acceptable. Acceptable to kill a townie? You may be confirmed town but your orders to kill are asinine. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/934 "2012-07-30T02:34:04Z")
**Enderw24** ’s PM is not allowed by game rules, no? That seems suspicious to me. **Hal** killed Town. And useful Town at that–a Vig. A Vig who was trying to kill Scum, and actually succeeded. Now, **Hal** claims to have reasons for killing Town. But what if he’s lying? What if he’s decide to work with Scum and therefore killed someone he thought was dangerous? Either **Hal** is against us, or he’s a loose cannon that’s already proved himself deadly. Therefore, **Vote: Hal**. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/935 "2012-07-30T11:01:43Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > Or maybe Astral. I’m not entirely sure. Is there links to the updates so I can go back an reread? I think you may have misunderstood what’s on the table here. We’re looking for you to post the order in which you want Babale, MentalGuy, Astral Rejection and Stanislaus to role-claim. Analyze it, pick them at random, whatever you wish – but sooner would be better than later. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/936 "2012-07-30T11:08:33Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > What if he’s decide to work with Scum and therefore killed someone he thought was dangerous? I killed **Mahaloth** simply for being the unknown player with the fewest posts, working under the theory that he’s generally a good player so scum would have likely recruited him, and I thought he was laying very low. If you can find something in his limited posts that made him more “dangerous” than anyone else, I’d love to hear it. > [@Babale](#): > > Either **Hal** is against us, or he’s a loose cannon that’s already proved himself deadly. Therefore, **Vote: Hal**. So, “he’s attempting to work in a pro-town manner every step of the way and until scum hunting isn’t that important, he’ll permanently count in favor of town in the win condition totals” is off the table, huh? Why do I get the feeling you’re going to be one of the two on the line when the role-claims come out? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/937 "2012-07-30T13:39:11Z")
I’m going to be at work to the next 12 hours, so I’ll go ahead and claim now, even though I think I’m more heedful unclaimed. I am the Monk, and I have not yet used my power. Happy, Hal and Visor? ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/938 "2012-07-30T14:14:17Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’m going to be at work to the next 12 hours, so I’ll go ahead and claim now, even though I think I’m more heedful unclaimed. I am the Monk, and I have not yet used my power. Happy, Hal and Visor? > [@](#): > > Once per game, you may target a player of your choice at Night (or target yourself). If this player is attacked by a member of the Brotherhood wielding one of the sacrificial knives (see Scum Tools), the attack will be foiled and the knife itself wasted. If your target is attacked in any other way, your protection will be useless and lost. Well, I think it begs the question of what exactly you’re waiting on to use your power. In general, the odds aren’t in your favor of choosing correctly. If only there was a high target, high probability kill like, say, The Seraph, that could have been foiled. Alas, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/939 "2012-07-30T14:15:30Z")
For a role that can waste a scum nightkill, you sure are leaving it a bit late to use your power. And its a bit strange you didn’t protect Mosier either! **[COLOR=“Red”]Unvote; Vote: Babale**[/COLOR] ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/940 "2012-07-30T14:15:51Z")
_ghostly wailing and jangling of chains_ > [@Babale](#): > > **Enderw24** ’s PM is not allowed by game rules, no? That seems suspicious to me. > [@MAFIA: The Road to Canterbury (Open Game; Sign-Ups)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-open-game-sign-ups/624906/47): > > > [@MAFIA: The Road to Canterbury (Open Game; Sign-Ups)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-open-game-sign-ups/624906/46): > > > > Regarding the bolded section: Can you clarify how this relates to PMs between players? Will this be allowed? > > No. I mean, I can’t enforce it, because how can I know if players are PM-ing one another? But players are asked to refrain from private communication on the honor system, I guess. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=48)