# MAFIA: The Road to Canterbury - Game Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 21, 2012, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807 "2012-06-21T01:57:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/941 "2012-07-30T14:17:27Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > Well, I think it begs the question of what exactly you’re waiting on to use your power. In general, the odds aren’t exactly in your favor of choosing correctly. If only there was a high target, high probability kill like, say, The Seraph, that could have been foiled. Alas, huh? X-post, just realised that Seraph can’t be protected against, nevermind. But vote stays, because Stanislaus and myself are pretty much confirmed, 100% in my case, and you haven’t thought to protect either of us? Still suspiscious. ---
**Author:** ![Visorslash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ee59a6/32.png) [@Visorslash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Visorslash)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/942 "2012-07-30T14:20:30Z")
Though I must admit Enders post seems quick to jump as well. Bus, easy wagon, who knows. Opinions? And kill RyJae Hal, because if two scum have defended him, it is looking likely that he is scum. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/943 "2012-07-30T14:48:28Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > Though I must admit Enders post seems quick to jump as well. Bus, easy wagon, who knows. Opinions? Wait, so you find it suspicious that I came to the same conclusion as you at the same time as you? That seems odd. As pointed out above, I see that my assessment was incorrect. Monk protecting Seraph won’t work. Finally, to the scary ghost of fubbleskag: Oops. Either I didn’t see Story’s request or I just forgot about it. It’s been 6 weeks since he posted that and a month since I sent my one and only PM to a player in the game. I guess I looked at this: > [@](#): > > 1. There are no post restrictions. As long as you are alive, you may post whatever you like, wherever you like, whenever you like. You may quote your role PM, and any PM sent to you by the moderators. You may discuss strategy by Day or by Night. If you have access to outside boards, you may post to them on any subject at any time. If someone claims a post restriction of any kind, they are lying; lynch them. as permission to do what I did. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/944 "2012-07-30T15:33:27Z")
> [@Visorslash](#): > > Though I must admit Enders post seems quick to jump as well. Bus, easy wagon, who knows. Opinions? > > And kill RyJae Hal, because if two scum have defended him, it is looking likely that he is scum. Have you ever played this game, or anything similar? I only ask because that right there makes it seem like you have not. Scum do not tend to defend one another, it almost makes it like a clique that town can quickly and easily win using as soon as one scum is offed. Seriously, just because you’re confirmed town, does not make you more knowledgeable than the rest of us. The only thing we have going for us with you being confirmed is we know you have no ulterior motives. As for the Stan being pretty much confirmed, please do not spread that. It is completely false. Unless I am mistaken, this is based on supermans er Hals word that the cloak isn’t in play. I admit that bigger fish are left to fry though, I just don’t think saying that helps town in any way. ``` I don't like Babale not using their power yet, that is odd, considering the suspicions they where gathering in the past. As a town they probably should have used it quickly to avoid the loss of a power if they where town and got mislynched. I am trying to think through the brain of Babale and after I read some more I will make my vote for whomever I find to be the scummiest other than my gnarly friend. Who I am already quite certain is a scum. ``` ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/945 "2012-07-30T17:20:45Z")
i’m back for now. the bad: power’s been out for over 24 hours now. ☹ the good: our building has emergency power. 🙂 the ugly: it’s not enough to run the elevators and i live on the 14th floor. :eek: i think **Babale** is town. it would have been easier to say he used his power rather than admit he didn’t if he wanted to escape scrutiny. not using his power can be chalked up to his being new. ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/946 "2012-07-30T17:28:34Z")
> [@RyJae](#): > > As for the Stan being pretty much confirmed, please do not spread that. It is completely false. Unless I am mistaken, this is based on supermans er Hals word that the cloak isn’t in play. I admit that bigger fish are left to fry though, I just don’t think saying that helps town in any way. RyJae, putting Stanislaus into the highly-probably Town category is dependent on two things; fubbleskag’s Night 1 investigation that returned a Town result, and my verification that the Cloak is not in play. It has nothing to do with Hal at all. Now you can question whether I am telling the truth - after all for all you know I might be a Brotherhood member trying to pull the wool over your eyes - but fubbleskag flipped Town on death so we can be certain that he was faithfully reporting his results. Gnarlycharlie corroborates fubbleskag, but he’s not dead so we can’t take that as adding to the argument. What it boils down to is that Stan is non-Brotherhood, unless I’m lying or my result was somehow corrupted by a hidden element of the game. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/947 "2012-07-30T17:48:50Z")
I only have time for a short post at the moment. I will explain more later. I am the Cook. I attempted to block Snickers on Night 1. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/948 "2012-07-30T18:06:06Z")
Updated Player List w/claimed roles and actions **Unknown** 12. [del]Tengu[/del] (now known as Kamino Neko), replaced by Astral Rejection **Unknown-Other** 3. Stanislaus (investigated as non-scum by fubbleskag, while MHaye says the _Cloak of Lies_ is not in play) **Claimed** 5. gnarlycharly - Friar - investigated Stanislaus N1 - result: S is non-scum 6. [del]Alka Seltzer[/del] RyJae - Physician - protected self & visor N1 - no kill? 11. Enderw24 - Nun’s Priest - watched Visor N2 - no activity 18. MHaye - Clerk - checked Cloak N1 - Cloak not in play 19. Hal Briston - Chaucer - gained Shipman power - attempted NK on SP N4 (SP lived) - killed Mahaloth N5 4. Babale - Monk - power unused 9. MentalGuy - Cook - block Snickers N1 **For All Intents and Purposes, Claimed** **13. Visorslash - Pardoner** -Pardoned self D1 **Dead** \*\*7. Texcat - Miller - died with power unused 10. sinjin - Canon - used potion - presumed Restorative, presumed on visor 14. fubbleskag - Man of Law - investigated Stanislaus N1 - S reported non-scum 17. Snickers - Knight - used action - presumably drew attack 16. KellyCriterion - Shipman - power unused - apparently claimed by Hal 15. Mosier - Summoner/Seraph - watched SP N1 - no activity. Watched Babale N4 1. Mahaloth - Squire - presumably killed Inner Stickler N5 - killed by Hal N5 2. Suburban Plankton - Reeve - didn’t die N4 (despite claimed but unverified attack) 3. Inner Stickler - Parson \*\* ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/949 "2012-07-30T21:18:59Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > I only have time for a short post at the moment. I will explain more later. I am the Cook. I attempted to block Snickers on Night 1. I was in hurry when I typed this and made a mistake. It wasn’t a typo, since I was thinking Night 1 at the time, but I just had a brain cramp. The night I attempted to block Snickers was Night 2. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/950 "2012-07-30T21:27:28Z")
I’ve colored in Hal Briston as purple third party because it helps fill in the chart. **Day 1 (post 1)** Visorslash vf Suburban Plankton, 10 [del]Visorslash unvote Suburban Plankton,[/del] vf TexCat, 20 Stanislaus vf Visorslash, 98 Alka Seltzer/RyJae vf Mahaloth, 118 TexCat vf no lynch, 122 MentalGuy vf Mahaloth, 124 fubbleskag vf Alka Seltzer/RyJae, vf Enderw24, vf Mahaloth, vf KellyCriterion, 128 [del]Alka Seltzer/RyJae unvote Mahaloth,[/del] vf Enderw24, 131 Mahaloth vf Visorslash, 136 Tengu/Astral Rejection vf no lynch, vf Visorslash, 138 Enderw24 vf Snickers, 140 [del]fubbleskag unvote Mahaloth, unvote Alka Seltzer/RyJae,[/del] 141 Stanislaus vf Hal Briston, 144 Hal Briston vf no lynch, 155 fubbleskag vf TexCat, vf Tengu/Astral Rejection, vf Hal Briston, 187 Mosier vf TexCat, 192 Sinjin vf MHaye, 197 Babale vf Visorslash, 200 Snickers vf Hal Briston, 207 [del]fubbleskag unvote Enderw24[/del], 216 [del]MentalGuy unvote Mahaloth,[/del] vf Visorslash, 222 [del]Visorslash unvote TexCat,[/del] vf Visorslash, 224 KellyCriterion vf Tengu/Astral Rejection, 225 [del]Stanislaus unvote Visorslash,[/del] vf Snickers, 226 Suburban Plankton vf Visorslash, 228 [del]Enderw24 unvote Snickers,[/del] vf Visorslash, 230 [del]fubbleskag unvote KellyCriterion,[/del] 235 TexCat vf Visorslash, 238 [del]MentalGuy unvote Visorslash,[/del] vf Snickers, 239 Inner Stickler vf Mosier, 240 [del]fubbleskag unvote Hal Briston, unvote TexCat,[/del] 243 [del]Stanislaus unvote Hal Briston,[/del] 245 MHaye vf Visorslash, 250 gnarlycharlie vf Snickers, 254 Lynch: Visorslash, town Pardoner Night Kill: none **Day 2 (post 303)** TexCat vf gnarlycharlie, 309 Stanislaus vf Suburban Plankton, 313 gnarlycharlie vf Snickers, 324 sinjin vf MHaye, 326 Enderw24 vf Snickers, 330 [del]Alka Seltzer/RyJae unvote Enderw24,[/del] vf MHaye, 333 Visorslash vf TexCat, 337 MentalGuy vf Snickers, 340 Mahaloth vf TexCat, 349 Snickers vf Mahaloth, 360 [del]Stanislaus unvote Suburban Plankton,[/del] 362 Mosier vf TexCat, 371 Stanislaus vf Inner Stickler, 375 fubbleskag vf Inner Stickler, 378 Babale vf Mosier, 379 MHaye vf Mosier, 381 Hal Briston vf Inner Stickler, 399 TexCat vf Inner Stickler, 402 Inner Stickler vf TexCat, 406 Suburban Plankton vf TexCat, 417 [del]Enderw24 unvote Snickers,[/del] vf TexCat, 422 [del]Babale unvote Mosier,[/del] 425 (not sure this unvote counts) [del]Alka Seltzer/RyJae unvote MHaye,[/del] vf TexCat, 428 [del]Hal Briston unvote Inner Stickler,[/del] vf gnarlycharlie, 429 Babale vf TexCat, 437 [del]TexCat unvote gnarlycharlie,[/del] 444 TexCat vf gnarlycharlie, vf Alka Seltzer/RyJae, vf MHaye, 445 Tengu/Astral Rejection vf MHaye, 448 Lynch: TexCat, town Miller Night Kill: sinjin, town Canon **Day 3 (post 474)** Stanislaus vf Inner Stickler, vf Enderw24, vf Babale, vf gnarlycharlie, 483 Alka Seltzer/RyJae vf fubbleskag, 489 Visorslash vf fubbleskag, vf Babale, 490 fubbleskag vf Inner Stickler, vf KellyCriterion, 491 Enderw24 vf Mahaloth, vf KellyCriterion, 493 gnarlycharlie vf Snickers, 499 MentalGuy vf Snickers, 507 [del]Stanislaus unvote Enderw24, unvote Inner Stickler,[/del] vf Alka Seltzer/RyJae, 510 Hal Briston vf Snickers, 513 Tengu/Astral Rejection vf Alka Seltzer, 515 Mahaloth vf Alka Seltzer/RyJae, 517 Mosier vf Babale, 522 Babale vf Alka Seltzer/RyJae, 526 Suburban Plankton vf Hal Briston, 536 Babale vf Hal Briston, 539 Snickers vf gnarlycharlie, 541 KellyCriterion vf Tengu/Astral Rejection, vf Alka Seltzer/RyJae, 561 [del]Mahaloth unvote Alka Seltzer/RyJae,[/del] vf KellyCriterion, vf Enderw24, 565 [del]Babale unvote Alka Seltzer/RyJae, unvote Hal Briston,[/del] vf KellyCriterion, 566 [del]Hal Briston unvote Snickers,[/del] vf KellyCriterion, 571 [del]Stanislaus unvote Alka Seltzer/RyJae, unvote Babale, unvote gnarlycharlie,[/del] vf fubbleskag, 576 [del]MentalGuy unvote Snickers,[/del] vf Hal Briston, 584 KellyCriterion vf fubbleskag, 590 Inner Stickler vf fubbleskag, 592 [del]Mosier unvote Babale,[/del] vf fubbleskag, 593 MHaye vf Hal Briston, 596 [del]Enderw24 unvote Mahaloth,[/del] 602 Lynch: fubbleskag, town Man of Law Night Kill: Snickers, town Knight Substitutions: RyJae for Alka Seltzer, Astral Rejection for Tengu **Day 4 (post 634)** RyJae vf gnarlycharlie, 639 Mosier vf RyJae, 652 Stanislaus vf Mahaloth, vf Hal Briston, 667 Stanislaus vf Enderw24, 668 Suburban Plankton vf Hal Briston, 671 Mahaloth vf KellyCriterion, 681 MentalGuy vf KellyCriterion, 683 Hal Briston vf KellyCriterion, 688 [del]Stanislaus unvote Mahaloth, unvote Enderw24,[/del] 689 MHaye vf Hal Briston, 690 Astral Rejection vf Hal Briston, 692 [del]Enderw24 vf KellyCriterion,[/del] 701 Inner Stickler vf KellyCriterion, 709 gnarlycharlie vf KellyCriterion, 726 Lynch: KellyCriterion Night Kill: none **Day 5 (738)** Mosier vf Suburban Plankton, 755 Hal Briston vf Suburban Plankton, 756 gnarlycharlie vf Suburban Plankton, 761 Astral Rejection vf Suburban Plankton, 762 Inner Stickler vf Suburban Plankton, 776 [del]gnarlycharlie unvote Suburban Plankton,[/del] 783 Mahaloth vf Suburban Plankton, 812 Visorslash vf Suburban Plankton, 817 Stanislaus vf Suburban Plankton, 818 Suburban Plankton vf Stanislaus, 824 Suburban Plankton vf Mahaloth, 825 Enderw24 vf gnarlycharlie, 827 gnarlycharlie vf Enderw24, 837 MentalGuy vf Suburban Plankton, 838 MHaye vf Suburban Plankton, 839 RyJae vf Stanislaus, 840 Lynch: Suburban Plankton, scum Reeve Night Kills Mosier, town Seraph & Summoner Night Kill: Mahaloth, town Squire Night Kill: Inner Stickler, scum Parson ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/951 "2012-07-30T21:33:11Z")
I had considered blocking Snickers on Night 1, but I think I just had trouble psychologically overcoming my normally cautious playstyle. I just felt like I might be wasting my power. But after thinking about it some more, I decided it was likely to be wasted anyway. I was obviously suspicious of Snickers and finally decided I might not get a better chance to catch a scum with my power. While I was obviously wrong in my judgement of Snickers, I don’t think I have seen any time since then that I would have rather used it (although since I no longer had the power, I haven’t thought about it a lot, and I am not sure what I would have done if I still had it when Hal claimed). ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/952 "2012-07-30T21:54:29Z")
Just noticed something interesting on Day 2, thanks to Astral Rejection’s post. OK, so Snickers and TexCat were both at 3 votes each. Then Inner Stickler, scum, garners 4 votes in a very short period of time to come out of nowhere to take the lead. Then Inner and Suburban, both scum, cast votes on TexCat (town) to push Tex back to the lead. Was that enough? Or would Scum do more to ensure Inner didn’t end up getting lynched that day? Here are the people that voted for TexCat after Inner and Suburban: Me, Alka (RyJae), and Babale. Part of me thinks maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree with this line, but that’s only because I’ve included myself on this list and I know I’m not scum, so how sure can I be about the other two? But still…would scum trust that 5 votes was enough to get TexCat to swing and save Inner? Or would they put one more scum there voting for TexCat just for good measure? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/953 "2012-07-30T23:37:05Z")
Some of these cases on Babale are _terrible._ I strongly believe in defending against bad cases, even if I think the person in question could possibly be scum. I’ve been trending scum on Babale all game, but Enderw24, another of my scum leans, has particularly egregious reasons for voting for Babale. I don’t believe they could both be scum, so Enderw24 gets my vote. Here’s what I take issue with: > [@Enderw24](#): > > Well, I think it begs the question of what exactly you’re waiting on to use your power. In general, the odds aren’t in your favor of choosing correctly. If only there was a high target, high probability kill like, say, The Seraph, that could have been foiled. Alas, huh? The odds go up of correctly using his power every Night. I’m not big on math, but a 1-in-19 shot is worse than, say, a 1-in-8 shot. Babale has yet to be in substantial danger of a lynch, so I don’t see “holding onto his power” as a bad thing. Further, as I posted before, _The Seraph could not be protected._ > [@Visorslash](#): > > For a role that can waste a scum nightkill, you sure are leaving it a bit late to use your power. And its a bit strange you didn’t protect Mosier either! Same issue. Mosier could not be protected, and I don’t believe Babale has acted scummily by not using his power. > [@Visorslash](#): > > X-post, just realised that Seraph can’t be protected against, nevermind. > > But vote stays, because Stanislaus and myself are pretty much confirmed, 100% in my case, and you haven’t thought to protect either of us? > > Still suspiscious. Likewise a bad reason for voting. Even though one of the main tenets of your vote is false, your vote stays. Mosier was **assuredly** the kill yesterNight, so why would Babale waste a protect on someone who wouldn’t be attacked? > [@Enderw24](#): > > Wait, so you find it suspicious that I came to the same conclusion as you at the same time as you? That seems odd. > > As pointed out above, I see that my assessment was incorrect. Monk protecting Seraph won’t work. So your assessment was incorrect… but you aren’t going to unvote? > [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i think **Babale** is town. it would have been easier to say he used his power rather than admit he didn’t if he wanted to escape scrutiny. not using his power can be chalked up to his being new. This I can now agree with. **Vote Enderw24** ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2012, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/954 "2012-07-30T23:38:50Z")
Also, I’m surprised nobody picked up on this yet… I claimed the merchant a while ago. That means Stanislaus is the Prioress. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/955 "2012-07-31T00:24:19Z")
Huh…sorry about that, **Astral** – don’t know how that one got past me. Updated Player List w/claimed roles and actions **Unknown-Other** 3. Stanislaus (investigated as non-scum by fubbleskag, while MHaye says the _Cloak of Lies_ is not in play) **Claimed** 5. gnarlycharly - Friar - investigated Stanislaus N1 - result: S is non-scum 6. [del]Alka Seltzer[/del] RyJae - Physician - protected self & visor N1 - no kill? 11. Enderw24 - Nun’s Priest - watched Visor N2 - no activity 18. MHaye - Clerk - checked Cloak N1 - Cloak not in play 19. Hal Briston - Chaucer - gained Shipman power - attempted NK on SP N4 (SP lived) - killed Mahaloth N5 4. Babale - Monk - power unused 9. MentalGuy - Cook - block Snickers N1 12. [del]Tengu[/del] (now known as Kamino Neko), replaced by Astral Rejection - Merchant **For All Intents and Purposes, Claimed** **13. Visorslash - Pardoner** -Pardoned self D1 **Dead** \*\*7. Texcat - Miller - died with power unused 10. sinjin - Canon - used potion - presumed Restorative, presumed on visor 14. fubbleskag - Man of Law - investigated Stanislaus N1 - S reported non-scum 17. Snickers - Knight - used action - presumably drew attack 16. KellyCriterion - Shipman - power unused - apparently claimed by Hal 15. Mosier - Summoner/Seraph - watched SP N1 - no activity. Watched Babale N4 1. Mahaloth - Squire - presumably killed Inner Stickler N5 - killed by Hal N5 2. Suburban Plankton - Reeve - didn’t die N4 (despite claimed but unverified attack) 3. Inner Stickler - Parson \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/956 "2012-07-31T00:25:29Z")
So, **Stanislaus** , that leaves you as the only non-claimant, so the Prioress is either you or the person claiming your role. What’cha got? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/957 "2012-07-31T00:28:50Z")
Sorry for short post, on phone. First of all, Ender admits his argument about me sucks, but doesn’t lift his vote? SCUM! For the first time, I will place two votes I intend to keep. I believe Ender is Scum and Hal is dangerous, so I will **Vote: Ended.** Now, to explain myself. Here’s why I’m holding on to my power: 1. The less people there are, the more likely that both Scum and I will pick the same target.Simple math. 2. Later kills are more valuable. Losing one knife oh of seven is no big deal; losing your last knife is. Also: It seems likely to me that on early nights, Scum will be playing it by ear. But later on, they likely have a nor involved, multi-day strategy. Losing a knife then creates more havoc. 3. Contrary to popular belief, none of the kills were sure things except or Mosier who can’t be protected. I wasn’t sure my skill wouldn’t be wasted. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/958 "2012-07-31T02:14:49Z")
Hal, could you change that list to show that I tried to block Snickers on Night 2. The way it is now, it looks as if I blocked someone and then didn’t say anything when there was no kill. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/959 "2012-07-31T02:52:03Z")
As I mentioned yesterDay, I had not really looked real close at Ender. So I spent some time after Day end giving Ender a look. > [@Enderw24](#): > > Unvote Snickers > Vote Visorslash > > I still have concerns about Snickers, but that can be put to the side for the moment. I’m voting for Visorslash for a variety of reasons. > > 1. Truth be told, I’m not convinced that there’s even a 50% probability Visorslash is scum. But I don’t need to be. I need to be convinced that a) there’s a better than 4/19 chance he’s one of the scum and b) he’s a more likely candidate than anyone else. I believe both of these to be the case. > 2. He’s gone in with the attitude from the begining that if I just convince people that there’s NO WAY scum would act like I’m acting, I’ll escape scrutiny. But that doesn’t pass the smell test. Besides, his behavior is decidedly anti-town even if he’s not scum. > 3. He voted for himself. For me, this goes beyond a question of scum or town. For whatever reason, Visorslash has decided that he doesn’t really want to play this game. And for me, there’s really nothing more frustrating than trying to play a game with someone who doesn’t give a shit. This goes for all games. I like winning. But I like playing more. And he’s ruining the experience for everyone. So let him take his ball and go home and let’s get on Mafia. This post bothers me mainly because of reason 3. I realize that at the time we were unaware of Visor’s personal circumstances and his Day 1 strategy, but reason 3 here just seems like he is stretching to make sure that players see he has a valid reason for his vote. > [@Enderw24](#): > > I’m back from vacation. Huzzah. > > Interesting non-turn of events. There are three possibilities on what happened that immediately occur to me, though they’ve already been brought up by previous posters. > > What I find really interesting is how on D1, everyone was telling all three investigators “for God’s sake, investigate on N1!” > Now D2 dawns and the build up seems to be “For God’s sakes investigators, don’t tell anyone about your investigations on N1!” I don’t think anyone was saying anything about not telling anyone their investigation results. He seems to be misrepresenting what some players were saying about delaying the reveal of their results. He was called on it pretty quickly, but it looks as if he is misrepresenting to possibly make a case against someone later. > [@Enderw24](#): > > Also, I’m going to > vote Snickers. > > Something pinged my radar yesterDay. That ping hasn’t been alleviated with the passage of time. I don’t think we really ever got an explanation for this. > [@Enderw24](#): > > TexCat, I’m hoping you can provide some enlightenment here. > YesterDay, you voted for Visor late. You were second to last to vote for him after the bandwagon had already been established. Pretty safe vote there. You ALSO voted for no lynch, which is really strange and conflicting. We’d already established that no-lynch wasn’t good strategy but you wanted to muddle things up anyway. > > ToDay, you’re advocating that we not investigate the people who voted for Visor because clearly there wouldn’t be scum there. Hey! Coincidence! That includes you! > Instead we should focus on people that voted for other people. Hey! Coincidence! That ignores your “no-lynch” vote and therefore doesn’t include you! > > Your whole voting record and rationale behind your attempts at Town direction seem really shady. Many players thought the no-lynch was a bad strategy, but TexCat never really agreed with that. So I don’t think she would have said it had already been established. I don’t mind the other part of your case so much, but we will look closer at how the lynch of TexCat went down a little later. > [@Enderw24](#): > > So I’m going to role claim. I’ll tell you upfront that it didn’t do anything. > > During N0, I chose Watch. > I felt that either power was slightly underpowered in that not learning what was done could lead to huge confusion should I actually catch anyone. > Last Night, I chose to watch **Visorslash**. > > I chose him specifically because he’s the only one alive that’s 100% confirmed Town. This means no one’s investigating him. I also _think_ the protector power’s been used but there’s no guarantee. So given his known town status he’s got a better than average chance of being killed at Night. So what it came down to for me is picking the most likely Scum target that wouldn’t also be targetted by Town to muddy things up. That was **Visorslash**. > > Alas, what happened was this: > So…nothing useful that I can see. Bleh. > But I’m guessing this is still a better result than leading us to lynch another Townie based upon my investigation. If you are actually Town and did this, I don’t really mind your choice, but you would be pretty safe false claiming this. > [@Enderw24](#): > > Right now, we are not 100% guaranteed that > > 1. Visorslash is the Pardoner > 2. Sinjin chose the Restorative as his power > 3. Sinjin used the Restorative on Visorslash > 4. Visorslash, power now restored, will use his power on today’s lynch > There are those advocating “hey everyone, go ahead and lynch whoever you want to. It’s all good!” No. It’s not all good. ALL FOUR of those need to be true and even _then_, it may not be good strategy. I find your assumptions to be really suspect and I’m wondering why you’re leading us down that path. > > **MentalGuy, Hal Briston, Mosier** , I’m looking at you. I never advocated “go ahead and lynch whoever you want to”. I did propose a strategy, but I still thought players should vote for whomever they felt was scum and give reasons why they thought so. When I found the above posts, they increased my suspicion of Ender, but I am not sure they put him above Babale on my scum list. However, since then I have learned of his PM to Visor, which I agree looks like he was trying to buddy up. Also, the vote record for Day 2 I thought was interesting. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > **Day 2 (post 303)** > > TexCat vf gnarlycharlie, 309 > Stanislaus vf Suburban Plankton, 313 > gnarlycharlie vf Snickers, 324 > sinjin vf MHaye, 326 > Enderw24 vf Snickers, 330 > [del]Alka Seltzer/RyJae unvote Enderw24,[/del] vf MHaye, 333 > Visorslash vf TexCat, 337 > MentalGuy vf Snickers, 340 > Mahaloth vf TexCat, 349 > Snickers vf Mahaloth, 360 > [del]Stanislaus unvote Suburban Plankton,[/del] 362 > Mosier vf TexCat, 371 > Stanislaus vf Inner Stickler, 375 > fubbleskag vf Inner Stickler, 378 > Babale vf Mosier, 379 > MHaye vf Mosier, 381 > Hal Briston vf Inner Stickler, 399 > TexCat vf Inner Stickler, 402 > Inner Stickler vf TexCat, 406 > Suburban Plankton vf TexCat, 417 > [del]Enderw24 unvote Snickers,[/del] vf TexCat, 422 > [del]Babale unvote Mosier,[/del] 425 (not sure this unvote counts) > [del]Alka Seltzer/RyJae unvote MHaye,[/del] vf TexCat, 428 > [del]Hal Briston unvote Inner Stickler,[/del] vf gnarlycharlie, 429 > Babale vf TexCat, 437 > [del]TexCat unvote gnarlycharlie,[/del] 444 > TexCat vf gnarlycharlie, vf Alka Seltzer/RyJae, vf MHaye, 445 > Tengu/Astral Rejection vf MHaye, 448 > > Lynch: TexCat, town Miller > Night Kill: sinjin, town Canon The first 5 votes for TexCat are all from players whose alignment we now know. Visorslash, Mahaloth, and Mosier are the first to vote for her. Then Inner Stickler and Suburban jump on the wagon. The next vote after Suburban’s is Enderw24’s. Then after that we have Alka/Ryjae and Babale. I don’t know if scum would put three votes in a row on TexCat like that, but I could see Inner or Suburban recommending to go ahead and do it since other players would think it unlikely. There was an obvious scum attempt to save Inner here and Ender definitely helped that effort (and yes Alka/Ryjae and Babale did too, and I maintain some suspicion of them, especially Babale). Overall, though, I prefer the evidence against Ender. I would say the PM to Visor pushed it over the top for me. **Vote Enderw24** ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807/960 "2012-07-31T03:04:15Z")
Uh, guys, there’s nothing for me to unvote. I never voted for Babale. I’m assuming you’re confusing me with Visorslash. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-road-to-canterbury-game-thread/625807.md?page=49)