# Mafia: The Thrill of the Chase \[Newbie Friendly!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 20, 2011, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526 "2011-11-20T06:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/481 "2011-12-06T04:57:18Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > this looks like it’s missing a few letters/words; I’ll assume you meant something along of the lines of “…justify considering a player…”. Actually if you just change “just” to “judge” the sentence works fine. 🙂 My guess he was torn between the longer “justify considering…” and “judge” and kinda ended up somewhere in the middle. > [@fubbleskag](#): > > so you’re saying that if Player A makes 50 posts in Day 1, 49 of them are jokes, chatting about the weather, answering new player questions, etc, and in 1 of them they make a “me too” vote, that they should not be given a second thought? Well… that’s a _bit_ of a strawman argument, isn’t it? I mean, yes, of course if someone is _that_ egregiously poor in the signal-to-noise ratio, then it’s certainly something to take into consideration. That would certainly come across as a desperately new scum player to me. But I don’t think anyone is usually quite that useless and fluffy, so generally I do think someone having several game mechanics/advice-filled posts–especially in a newbie-rich game like this–is not an especially useful metric to use. Exceptions should be made in this scenario with so many of us being newbies (or relative newbies). ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/482 "2011-12-06T05:01:18Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I dunno what MGT means. Mountain Grazing Time? Median Greenwich Time? Mountain Standard Time. The ‘G’ stands for ‘S’. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/483 "2011-12-06T05:32:35Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Actually if you just change “just” to “judge” the sentence works fine. 🙂 My guess he was torn between the longer “justify considering…” and “judge” and kinda ended up somewhere in the middle. “judge” makes sense as well, and doesn’t change my response. > [@choie](#): > > Well… that’s a _bit_ of a strawman argument, isn’t it? I mean, yes, of course if someone is _that_ egregiously poor in the signal-to-noise ratio, then it’s certainly something to take into consideration. That would certainly come across as a desperately new scum player to me. > > But I don’t think anyone is usually quite that useless and fluffy, so generally I do think someone having several game mechanics/advice-filled posts–especially in a newbie-rich game like this–is not an especially useful metric to use. Exceptions should be made in this scenario with so many of us being newbies (or relative newbies). admitted, it’s an extreme example. my point is that a signal-to-noise ratio, as you elegantly put it, is a factor that we would both consider - we’re just now left with determining at what ratio it becomes a factor worth considering. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/484 "2011-12-06T05:34:42Z")
Hey lovely mafia people, I’ve had a busy two days. I’ll be back to my usual loquacious self tomorrow after work. Just letting you know! ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/485 "2011-12-06T05:38:19Z")
NETA: > [@choie](#): > > But I don’t think anyone is usually quite that useless and fluffy, so generally I do think someone having several game mechanics/advice-filled posts–especially in a newbie-rich game like this–is not an especially useful metric to use. Exceptions should be made in this scenario with so many of us being newbies (or relative newbies). I’d also like to re-iterate that I’m not counting up people’s mechanics questions and thinking to myself “holy shit, **choie** has 18 mechanics posts, she must be scum”, but if I review a player’s posts and find that they’ve made 18 mechanics posts and not contributed to the actual game, I will raise an eyebrow. the point being that they’re posting, they’re active, but are not contributing to the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/486 "2011-12-06T05:39:44Z")
> [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#): > > Hey, First, sorry for being away! It has been a really bad week, had to work pretty much all of last week and this weekend. I’m on day 8 in a row working 12 hour shifts, and haven’t had time to even read the thread let alone write anything. I can’t believe I missed a whole freaking day!!! And then I come back, and we lost 2 town power roles. Not a good start at all. > > Again, Sorry! I work another shift tomorrow, but then I’ll be off Wed, Thu, Fri before going back for the weekend. So… When does this day end? I want to make sure I don’t miss another day! > > I’m going to read day one now, and then go to sleep, have to be up at 6am (dang 8am to 8pm stores! 9am to 9pm is MUCH better!). I’ll be back to post something actually constructive tomorrow night / Wed all day. Just wanted to make sure I let y’all know I haven’t abandoned the game, just RL got in the way. > [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Hey lovely mafia people, I’ve had a busy two days. I’ll be back to my usual loquacious self tomorrow after work. Just letting you know! while we’re at it, I’ll warn everyone that Tuesday night is my poker night, so there’s a good chance I won’t be very active until sometime Wednesday night after the poop-machine has gone to sleep. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/487 "2011-12-06T12:29:58Z")
I do not have any top suspects. I am leery of **Special Ed** and **Guiri** , but for no reason except that their posting styles seem different than that of prior games. **Mental Guy** also pings me slightly, though the only concrete comment I’d make would be that for someone too busy to post frequently, #259 seems odd: a rather long post that contributes almost nothing to our scum-hunting. But none of these “pings” is enough even for a Day 1 vote, so I’m in Day 2 without a clue. (And I’m still not 100% sure of PCM – he was looking better, but some of his latest posts almost seem to “protest too much.” :dubious: ) > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Anyway, the point of the question was that I’d like to hear how Septimus is getting along with his focus on that particular group of players. I think the Lurkers are very anti-Town, but we should leave them for the Vig to kill. Please, Townies, participate! It was disastrous the way our Cop got killed, but I definitely do not blame the Vig. As to the “one-off” voters, I was throwing that out there for consideration. Two pinging me (Guiri and Special Ed) weren’t one-off voters, but rather the “two-offers.” 😕 I agree that **Švejk** is posting very intelligently; it’s hard to believe he’s a newbie. I doubt he’s Scum – If Scum, he’d probably be faking naïveté. It’s nitpicking and largely irrelevant, but I think he may have made a minor statistics mistake: > [@Svejk\_1](#): > > …It is not clear to me who wevets would have been protecting, and the odds that \*\*wevets \*\*would have been protecting someone and scum picked just that player are low, given that no one clearly stood out as being in need of protection from scum killing. It’s just not clear to me how both scum and \*\*wevets \*\*would have converged on someone to protect/kill on the basis of the thread. Assuming for simplicity that targets are picked at random, the chance that Scum and Wevets would pick the same target is almost as good as the chance Scum picked Wevets. (If Bob and Alice independently each pick a number from 1 to 20, the chance Bob picks Alice’s number is the same as the chance Bob picks 7.) Of course picking the targets isn’t random. Although I won’t try to guess who it was, it hardly seems unlikely that Wevets and Scum would make the same guess about a Power role. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/488 "2011-12-06T12:57:59Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > I did? Did I get confused again? I don’t have time to double check before work ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/489 "2011-12-06T14:17:25Z")
If fubble is going to be rude to me the whole game, I don’t really want to continue. If he’s just been joking this whole time, I do not get the joke. 11 years on this board and I can’t remember a significant disagreement. Heck, Dio and me got along(not that he played mafia with me). I’m at a total loss, here. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/490 "2011-12-06T15:44:34Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Did I get confused again? > > I don’t have time to double check before work not entirely your fault; I addressed the question of my actual vote selection in a response to **Guiri** , but mangled the quoting, so it was probably not obvious to anyone but him. short version: post to fluff ratio was a contributing factor to my overall rating of each player, but was not a direct factor in my final vote. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > If fubble is going to be rude to me the whole game, I don’t really want to continue. If he’s just been joking this whole time, I do not get the joke. 11 years on this board and I can’t remember a significant disagreement. Heck, Dio and me got along(not that he played mafia with me). > > I’m at a total loss, here. I included in my Day 1 summary a note that your posting tone was “bitchy” and that that was “status quo”. another player commented about your “angry” tone in a reference to another game. your reply “nice random smudge” indicated to me that you didn’t get the reference or the joke from her immediately (even though you claim later that you did). I re-iterated my comment and mentioned that I thought it had been mentioned in previous games. I know that I’ve noticed the same tone from you in previous games, and perhaps I was mistaken in my memory that anyone else had commented on it - it’s not important enough an issue for me to go looking for the cite you demanded (this is a mafia game, not GD, ffs). for whatever reason you decided that my comment somehow meant that everyone hated you and threw yourself a childish little pity party, which is what led to my most recent comment. I voiced my opinion, it hurt your feelings, you reacted, and I made fun of that reaction. I won’t apologize, nor will I promise not to do it again - to your or anyone else that acts similarly (I would expect the same in return) if you’re scum, then by all means, fucking quit right now. if you’re town, suck it the fuck up and play the game. now I gotta get back to work. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/491 "2011-12-06T16:03:53Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > If fubble is going to be rude to me the whole game, I don’t really want to continue. If he’s just been joking this whole time, I do not get the joke. 11 years on this board and I can’t remember a significant disagreement. Heck, Dio and me got along(not that he played mafia with me). > > I’m at a total loss, here. > [@fubbleskag](#): > > I included in my Day 1 summary a note that your posting tone was “bitchy” and that that was “status quo”. another player commented about your “angry” tone in a reference to another game. your reply “nice random smudge” indicated to me that you didn’t get the reference or the joke from her immediately (even though you claim later that you did). I re-iterated my comment and mentioned that I thought it had been mentioned in previous games. I know that I’ve noticed the same tone from you in previous games, and perhaps I was mistaken in my memory that anyone else had commented on it - it’s not important enough an issue for me to go looking for the cite you demanded (this is a mafia game, not GD, ffs). for whatever reason you decided that my comment somehow meant that everyone hated you and threw yourself a childish little pity party, which is what led to my most recent comment. > > I voiced my opinion, it hurt your feelings, you reacted, and I made fun of that reaction. I won’t apologize, nor will I promise not to do it again - to your or anyone else that acts similarly (I would expect the same in return) > > if you’re scum, then by all means, fucking quit right now. if you’re town, suck it the fuck up and play the game. > > now I gotta get back to work. **Please be civil, and remember that it’s just a game. We’ve avoided a drama bomb in our mafia group for 3 years now, let’s keep it that way.** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/492 "2011-12-06T16:09:53Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > I included in my Day 1 summary a note that your posting tone was “bitchy” and that that was “status quo”. another player commented about your “angry” tone in a reference to another game. I don’t want to dignify you with a response, but the “angry” tone was part of my quirk for Party Quirks, not my actual personality. I had the 5 stages of grief as my quirk. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/493 "2011-12-06T16:13:27Z")
my second to last sentence was over the line, consider it retracted and I apologize. the first two paragraphs are civil, and I stand by them. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/494 "2011-12-06T16:14:28Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I don’t want to dignify you with a response, but the “angry” tone was part of my quirk for Party Quirks, not my actual personality. I had the 5 stages of grief as my quirk. I understand that it was a party quirks game and that you were playing a role there - I’m not referring to your tone in that game anywhere in my comments. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/495 "2011-12-06T17:18:58Z")
Wouldn’t it have been easier to say, “Hey dude, I’m sorry I hurt your feelings” instead? We’re just playing a game here. You don’t have to be right, and there doesn’t have to be a winner here. There was a blowup in one of my previous games, and it was unpleasant for everyone. Back to work. See you guys in a few hours. ---
**Author:** ![gnarlycharlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5f9b8f/32.png) [@gnarlycharlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnarlycharlie)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/496 "2011-12-06T17:59:33Z")
> [@choie](#): > > I think he was counting you among the “one-offs” (i.e. people who were the sole voter of one suspect) rather than the “didn’t votes,” considering **gnarlycharlie** was a “one-off” voter too (he voted for **Mahaloth** ). > > That said, if he _did_ mean the “one-offs,” then I should’ve been in there too with my solo vote for **Inner Stickler**. i realized that later at Night. while i was catching up, i decided to vote because i thought the deadline was close. in the posts i was reading he still had 2 votes on him. i never did fully catch up so i missed the unvotes. i took a break and promptly fell asleep. ☹ > [@Trepa\_Mayfield](#): > > Mountain Standard Time. The ‘G’ stands for ‘S’. what?! 😕 ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/497 "2011-12-06T18:29:56Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > Wouldn’t it have been easier to say, “Hey dude, I’m sorry I hurt your feelings” instead? We’re just playing a game here. Damn straight. Stop fighting, guys. Besides, it’s the season of peace and love – can’t we go back to ritualistic nighttime killings and the lynching of innocents? ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/498 "2011-12-06T18:55:44Z")
Choie who is this “we” you are refering to. I know I haven’t been involved in any ritualistic night killing Sounds like an admission to me. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/499 "2011-12-06T22:57:29Z")
_bitchslaps fubbleskag_ ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/500 "2011-12-06T23:26:04Z")
> [@gnarlycharlie](#): > > i realized that later at Night. while i was catching up, i decided to vote because i thought the deadline was close. in the posts i was reading he still had 2 votes on him. i never did fully catch up so i missed the unvotes. i took a break and promptly fell asleep. ☹ Bah! The more complicated an excuse is, the less likely it is to be true. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=26)