# Mafia: The Thrill of the Chase \[Newbie Friendly!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 20, 2011, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526 "2011-11-20T06:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2011, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/641 "2011-12-11T17:55:28Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Don’t worry. I’ll take care of her ;)😃 I chuckled out loud, which is rare for me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/642 "2011-12-11T17:58:57Z")
(I’ve been home for more than a day, but stayed quiet because I worry Night-time discussion helps Scum. I guess I’m growing up: Despite Bangkok’s glitter I confined my pleasure to a few bookstores and Japanese restaurants and hurried home to wife and kids.) > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Farewell Astral and Orcenio. > > One death is better than two, Septimus, did you self protect? Yes, I did. To answer your earlier question I posted my exact role PM, using mouse click-drag-Control-C to copy it. Would **Trepa** have said so if **Orcenio** ’s death were a Mod-Kill? I was certainly hoping the Vig-kill experiment would be completed last Night so I could try to Protect a Power role toNight. (Though I’ve not yet identified any likely Town Powers other than myself. :smack: ) The way players suddenly piled on **Inner Stickler** yesterDay to avoid Lynching **Scathach** was certainly striking. **Guiri** , let me ask you a question: Please rank, in order of likely Scumminess, the four votes on Inner: “Inner Stickler (4): Scathach, choie, Guiri, Švejk” ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/643 "2011-12-11T19:11:49Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > The way players suddenly piled on **Inner Stickler** yesterDay to avoid Lynching **Scathach** was certainly striking. You’re referring to Svejk and I, right? If you look at the vote record, I saw the opposite: 3 votes within an hour or so on Scathach looked like an attempt to save Inner. > [@septimus](#): > > **Guiri** , let me ask you a question: Please rank, in order of likely Scumminess, the four votes on Inner: > > “Inner Stickler (4): Scathach, choie, Guiri, Švejk” The votes or the voters? I didn’t find Scathach’s or Choie’s vote scummy, just not compelling, Scathach’s could have applied to several players, Choie added some meat. Obviously I stand by my vote despite being wrong. Svejk used a similar argument to mine although he made no mention of Hirka. As for potential scum motivation, any vote on a townie has a potential scum motivation. Given Inner’s flip, if Scathach is scum, Svejk’s stands out. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2011, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/644 "2011-12-11T21:44:00Z")
Ooh can I play? - **Scathach** - **Svejk** - **Guiri** - **choie** For me, **Scathach** trumps **Svejk** because she’s been targeted now by two people who are dead; one via lynching after a bandwagon, and one via nefarious scum. Also because there was a last minute rush to get her off the gallows. Assuming at least one of the threesome of **Scathach** , **Svejk** and **Guiri** is scum, I think it’s likely **Scathach** ; with **Scathach** being town, the other hypothetical scum team’s behavior doesn’t make much sense to me. Either that or all four of us are Town, in which case, yipe, we have no useful info from this vote. **Svejk** is an excellent player and I think he knows almost too much to be a vanilla newbie. His sudden vote-switching from one bandwagon to another is a bit neat. Frankly I kinda like the idea of both of them being scum. (But on the other hand, this seemed like such an obvious scummy move to leap on a bandwagon, the only way this works is if they were really epecting some of the lurkers to join in and bus **Scathach**.) **Guiri** pinged me before but not quite as much as the others. His prosecutorial behavior grates and could be seen as trying too hard; then again, maybe he’s trying exactly as hard as he should be, since our town’s lives are at stake. **choie** is patently an innocent townie and frankly I’m aghast that she’s even on this list. > [@septimus](#): > > (Though I’ve not yet identified any likely Town Powers other than myself. ) How would you identify likely Town Powers? Do doctors have some investigatory power or something? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/645 "2011-12-12T01:40:00Z")
I still suspect ed, and to a certain extent fubble, but you know who has pinged me quite a bit? Choie. It’s her tone, I think. Very light, supportive, making casual comment on others. I think she’s scum hiding in play sight. Anyway, it’s early. I’m voting to get it out there. **Vote choie** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/646 "2011-12-12T02:19:51Z")
Hmm, Astral was obviously going to do this… \*\*Vote: \*\*Švejk [COLOR=black] \*\*\*\*but now he’s dead [/COLOR] ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/647 "2011-12-12T02:23:46Z")
Interesting, **Mahaloth**. I didn’t think I was being all that casual; so far I think I’ve made more analytical cases (on a post-by-post basis) than most others, having taken exhaustive and exhausting looks at three players. But it’s nice to hear I’m supportive, even if it also means you don’t trust me. Meanwhile, I’m glad you brought up **fubbleskag** , because I’d almost forgotten about his strange behavior just before EOD. I’m kind of surprised that he chose to vote for **septimus** , then unvoted him after **septimus** claimed as doctor, then–after a series of very strange lackadaisical posts mostly consisting of copy/pasting and smilies–_re_votes **septimus**. Was it laziness? Fear of joining either the **Inner** or **Scathach** trains? Why did you still vote for **septimus** when most people quickly shifted their votes and decided to wait and see what happened at Night? What’s the story there, **fubbleskag**? Although it just struck me… if **septimus** ’s only proof is that he self-protected and wasn’t killed… that isn’t a hugely strong case for him. He could be scum who naturally wasn’t killed. Crap, the loss of the detective is a _real_ pain in the ass. (Wait, no. It’d probably be too risky to claim doctor as scum–they don’t know whether we have a real doctor who’d counterclaim.) ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/648 "2011-12-12T02:36:01Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Interesting, **Mahaloth**. I didn’t think I was being all that casual; so far I think I’ve made more analytical cases (on a post-by-post basis) than most others, having taken exhaustive and exhausting looks at three players. But it’s nice to hear I’m supportive, even if it also means you don’t trust me. > > Meanwhile, I’m glad you brought up **fubbleskag** , because I’d almost forgotten about his strange behavior just before EOD. I’m kind of surprised that he chose to vote for **septimus** , then unvoted him after **septimus** claimed as doctor, then–after a series of very strange lackadaisical posts mostly consisting of copy/pasting and smilies–_re_votes **septimus**. Was it laziness? Fear of joining either the **Inner** or **Scathach** trains? Why did you still vote for **septimus** when most people quickly shifted their votes and decided to wait and see what happened at Night? What’s the story there, **fubbleskag**? > > Although it just struck me… if **septimus** ’s only proof is that he self-protected and wasn’t killed… that isn’t a hugely strong case for him. He could be scum who naturally wasn’t killed. Crap, the loss of the detective is a _real_ pain in the ass. > > (Wait, no. It’d probably be too risky to claim doctor as scum–they don’t know whether we have a real doctor who’d counterclaim.) To make a shirt list: Things that point to Septimus being Town: 1. No counter claim. 2. Asked for Vig to shoot at him. Things that point to Septimus being Scum: 3. Doc claim may have been ploy to get Doc to counter claim. 4. We have a dead bodyguard, was there a calculated guess there was no Doc? Things to consider: 5. Doc may be an inactive player 6. If Vig didn’t shoot at Septimus, could they have believed him? or could they be a SK? 7. We still don’t know if the orcenio death was a mod kill (but I’m betting Vig/SK kill) ```auto PS, you made me giggle with the "I'm glad you brought up fubbleskag" comment. If you've ever seen Rat Race, I imagine Mr Bean going, "Look, a drifter!" ``` ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/649 "2011-12-12T02:37:44Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Hmm, Astral was obviously going to do this… > > Vote: Švejk > > ]but now he’s dead (Bleached) Holy crap. I just went back to look at his ( **Astral Rejection** ’s) posts to refresh my memory about whether he’d suspected **Švejk** and yep, he’d made his intentions loud and clear – I’d totally forgotten that. I’d also forgotten [I’d written this right afterward:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14549544&postcount=586) > [@me in post #586](#): > > Yipe, Astral, should you be announcing your intentions so early in the Night? If this were a murder mystery novel you’d be the reckless middle-aged housewife who announces that she knows who the murderer is and will be going to the police the next day with her eyewitness testimony… only to be the next on the killer’s hit list. Now **Astral** ’s dead and this makes me look horrible. (Or brilliantly prescient, but that’s wishful thinking indeed! Sadly I suspect I’ll be accused of PIS.) I wonder if I opened myself up to scum, who first killed **Astral** with the side effect of making me look really scummy and thus good candidate for lynching. And thereby continuing our stellar record of lynching Townies. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/650 "2011-12-12T02:42:05Z")
> [@choie](#): > > (Bleached) > > Holy crap. I just went back to look at his ( **Astral Rejection** ’s) posts to refresh my memory about whether he’d suspected **Švejk** and yep, he’d made his intentions loud and clear – I’d totally forgotten that. I’d also forgotten [I’d written this right afterward:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14549544&postcount=586) > > Now **Astral** ’s dead and this makes me look horrible. (Or brilliantly prescient, but that’s wishful thinking indeed! Sadly I suspect I’ll be accused of PIS.) I wonder if I opened myself up to scum, who first killed **Astral** with the side effect of making me look really scummy and thus good candidate for lynching. And thereby continuing our stellar record of lynching Townies. How does that make you look bad? You seem overly sensitive. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/651 "2011-12-12T02:43:17Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > To make a shirt list: Do your laundry on your own time! > [@special\_ed](#): > > Things that point to Septimus being Town: > > 1. No counter claim. > 2. Asked for Vig to shoot at him. > Things that point to Septimus being Scum: > 3. Doc claim may have been ploy to get Doc to counter claim. > 4. We have a dead bodyguard, was there a calculated guess there was no Doc? If we have a dead bodyguard, a dead detective, and no Doctor, we are _seriously_ fucked. (Though if **septimus** just keeps saving himself, there’s really not much use to him, is there?) > [@special\_ed](#): > > Things to consider: > > 1. Doc may be an inactive player God, I hope not. Bad enough we had an inactive detective. > [@special\_ed](#): > > 1. We still don’t know if the orcenio death was a mod kill (but I’m betting Vig/SK kill) Yeah, I’m with you. I really don’t think **Trepa** would leave us hanging like that (um… so to speak). Also a mod kill would usually mean a sub would be called in, wouldn’t it? Unless **Drain Bread** wasn’t available/interested anymore. > [@special\_ed](#): > > PS, you made me giggle with the “I’m glad you brought up fubbleskag” comment. > > If you’ve ever seen Rat Race, I imagine Mr Bean going, “Look, a drifter!” Alas I’ve never seen a Mr. Bean movie. Dare I ask if this is a good giggle or a bad giggle? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/652 "2011-12-12T02:47:33Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > How does that make you look bad? > > You seem overly sensitive. It makes me look like I have Perfect Information Syndrome, doesn’t it? Plus, I just got a vote against me, _and_ I was the first person voted in the whole game. Damn straight I’m sensitive! Also I just find it funny that I was right. That… doesn’t happen often. Meanwhile **Astral** ’s suspicion of **Svejk** makes the latter look bad, since we’re naturally looking at whom **Astral** suspected. Again, scum could be taking advantage of that. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/653 "2011-12-12T02:58:25Z")
> [@choie](#): > > It makes me look like I have Perfect Information Syndrome, doesn’t it? Plus, I just got a vote against me, _and_ I was the first person voted in the whole game. Damn straight I’m sensitive! > > Also I just find it funny that I was right. That… doesn’t happen often. > > Meanwhile **Astral** ’s suspicion of **Svejk** makes the latter look bad, since we’re naturally looking at whom **Astral** suspected. Again, scum could be taking advantage of that. Yes, Astral’s death is all WiFoM. I only mentioned it because I found it funny…and his wife wanted me to honor his memory 😛 If Švejk is Town, Scum could have killed Astral to increase suspicion of him. However, if Švejk is Scum, they could have killed Astral to get rid of some suspicion and hope that we’d consider Astral’s death WiFoM. I’ve played it both ways as Scum. As to you being right, yeah, it doesn’t look like PIS because what did you know, that the Scum were going to kill Astral in the future? That means either: 1. You are Scum and were giving away your actions in the game thread…to what end…? 2. You are Town and Scum wanted to make it look like you were giving away their actions in the game thread??? ```auto This is all leaving me with the impression that you are more concerned with how you look than I think you should be. It's 1 darn vote. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/654 "2011-12-12T03:01:59Z")
Vote Count: choie (1): Mahaloth Svejk (1): Special Ed > [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#): > > Was Orcino a mod kill? It was not, in fact, a mod kill. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/655 "2011-12-12T03:03:32Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Alas I’ve never seen a Mr. Bean movie. Dare I ask if this is a good giggle or a bad giggle? One of my favorite comedies. Seriously. Maybe it’s because I’d never heard of it and watched it one night with my son while he was in the hospital for testing, but my whole family loves it. Its a race? I hope I win! You…should…have…bought…a…squirrel ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/656 "2011-12-12T03:48:52Z")
> [@Trepa\_Mayfield](#): > > It was not, in fact, a mod kill. Thank you for answering. So, we have two kills tonight, and we had two kills last night. The way I figure it, there is three options 1. The Scum have independent kills, so, there are two of them killing every night (Is this something people more experienced have ever seen?). 2. The scum are killing someone, and we have a Serial Killer in the game. 3. We have a Vig who has unlimited shots who has shot blindly the past 2 days, and the scum are killing someone. Number 1 doesn’t seem likely to me, not very “Newbie Friendly”, and number 3 doesn’t seem that likely to me because I haven’t played in a game with an unlimited shot Vig… so I’m thinking number 2 is most likely. So, not only do we have scum we need to watch for, we have a SK. There are 14 of us left alive, we started with 20, with 6 people dead. If we figure this is 3 scum and a SK, that would be: Day 3: 13 alive Night 3: 11 alive Day 4: 10 alive Night 4: 8 alive Day 5: 7 alive Night 5: 5 alive So, if the SK doesn’t hit scum, and we don’t lynch the SK or scum, we only have 3 day/night cycles left… If we assume 4 scum and a SK, we only have 2 day/night cycles. People who are more experienced then I (or know where to find that point list thingamajig), if we assume town only has the known power roles, Cop, Bodyguard, Doctor; and we assume a SK, how many scum can we honestly expect? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/657 "2011-12-12T04:03:21Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > This is all leaving me with the impression that you are more concerned with how you look than I think you should be. > > It’s 1 darn vote. Why does everyone think I’m paranoid? You talk about this behind my back, don’t you? (Speaking of movie quotes…) > [@Trepa\_Mayfield](#): > > It was not, in fact, a mod kill. Gotcha. Thanks for letting us know! So gang: Vig or SK? Seems like a vig’s more likely. Would a SK only target lurkers? (I’m assuming the same person offed **gregorio** and **orcenio**. Hmm. Considering those names… maybe it’s an Italophobe!) ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/658 "2011-12-12T04:08:13Z")
> [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#): > > Number 1 doesn’t seem likely to me, not very “Newbie Friendly”, and number 3 doesn’t seem that likely to me because I haven’t played in a game with an unlimited shot Vig… so I’m thinking number 2 is most likely. Wait, vigs have some kind of limitation on their shots? What the hell, Batman has no friggin’ limits, why should our vig (if he _is_ ours)? How many are they limited to, typically? > [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](#): > > People who are more experienced then I (or know where to find that point list thingamajig), if we assume town only has the known power roles, Cop, Bodyguard, Doctor; and we assume a SK, how many scum can we honestly expect? Considering this game is (superficially at least) about lovers, couldn’t there be a Romeo/Juliet type of pair? THough I guess those aren’t power roles, just a weird dynamic, right? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/659 "2011-12-12T04:18:37Z")
I have more often seen unlimited Vigilantes than limited ones. Of the types of Vigilantes, in what I would consider decreasing popularity: 1. Unlimited, voluntary - possible 2. Unlimited, mandatory (must kill each Night) - possible 3. Remorseful (kills self after killing Town) - unlikely 4. Limited with 2 shots at least - possible, not very likely Additionally, it is still possibly a SK who is hoping if he is found out, he can claim to be a Vigilante Regarding the 2 Scum kills, I don’t think we would have 2 multiple player, non-Town factions in a Newbie friendly game. And I don’t think one side would get 2 kills, unless it is a very small side. And that doesn’t srike me as newbie friendly either. ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2011, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/660 "2011-12-12T04:19:46Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Wait, vigs have some kind of limitation on their shots? What the hell, Batman has no friggin’ limits, why should our vig (if he _is_ ours)? > > How many are they limited to, typically? I haven’t played in that many games more then you. This is the 4th actual game I’ve been involved with. In those games, I haven’t seen the vig actually do anything (always got killed really early), but, it was normally even a one shot vig, or a remorseful vig (can shoot unlimited amount of times, as long as he doesn’t kill a “Town” player, if he does, he loses his power). I don’t know how common this is either way, just know from the few games I’ve played here on the SDMB. > [@](#): > > Considering this game is (superficially at least) about lovers, couldn’t there be a Romeo/Juliet type of pair? THough I guess those aren’t power roles, just a weird dynamic, right? It is possible… I have read about those roles. However, the mod did say the color is “Just Color”… So, I don’t know… But, doesn’t those roles just mean if one dies they both die? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=34)