# Mafia: The Thrill of the Chase \[Newbie Friendly!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 20, 2011, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526 "2011-11-20T06:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/841 "2011-12-16T13:45:11Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > vote fubbleskag > > **Septimus** , if you’re still online and have any town leaning on **Svejk** , I’d ask that you switch your vote to myself in order to save him. Paraphrasing Svejk, WTF? You KNOW your alignment. If you’re Town, this is just stupid, you cannot know Svejk’s alignment and cannot prefer to have him live instead of you. If you’re scum, farewell. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/842 "2011-12-16T13:47:34Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > Dude what are you doing! We have already lost 6 town. If you are town, than you have to be more sure that you are town than that I and Mahaloth are? Why give up a toss-up between 2 possible scum and 1 possible scum and yourself? I have trouble understanding that coming from a town POV. as I said. I know I’m town, and am convinced you are town. of the two of us, I think you bring more value to the rest of town in the long run. if I can’t save you, I can at least give you a 50/50 chance. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/843 "2011-12-16T13:57:23Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > the cases on \*\*gnarlycharlie \*\*are weak and weaker, so I’m definitely not comfortable putting my vote there; which wouldn’t help \*\*Svejk \*\*in any case. > > **Guiri** , if you had to choose between \*\*Svejk \*\*and **Mahaloth** , who would you vote for? In the last game I was immediately pinged by Mahaloth who had just made two posts. He was lynched and flipped scum. I’m not sure how much was pure luck and how much was intuition. In this game I didn’t get that same ping, just weaker vibes. Svejk echoed part (only part) of my argument when switching his vote from Scathach to Inner so it would be inconsistent for me to vote him for that. I may have opened a door to a scummy maneuver to save Scathach but, as I mentioned, I started to get Town pings from Scathach’s comments at the end of D2, whether she’s pulling the wool over my eyes or not, we’ll find out eventually, but that makes me suspect Svejk’s motives were honest. I will not vote to save Svejk but forced to choose between them, Mahaloth. My gut says neither are scum and to lynch Gnarly. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/844 "2011-12-16T14:00:50Z")
Well, I appreciate you are trying to help, but I already had a 50/50 chance going in with someone else you are less certain is town than you are yourself - you’re not saving me, you are saving **Mahaloth**. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/845 "2011-12-16T14:03:12Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Honestly what I’m seeing most in this thread over the past few days are more people acting like their own attorneys at a murder trial rather than a proper posse. I wish there was half as much effort being put into looking at _other posters_ rather than defending yourself. > > The way I see it is that your deeds are more important than your defenses. Don’t tell us you’re not scum. Tell us who’s scummier than you. I say this in particular to **Svejk** and **fubbleskag** and even to **gnarlycharlie** , though he’s not that guilty of it.It’s really hard to judge **Svekj** , because he’s just been _so_ on the defensive and obsessed with proving his innocence. Typical noob disease (I feel okay saying that having semi-recovered from it myself). I have been a key candidate for a lynch from the get-go toDay, and it’s been difficult trying to change the subject. That said, I have made my feelings clear in post [#780](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14567722&postcount=780) and they often align with yours - people do some stuff that is really too weird to be likely scum, bringing me back to square 0. Also, I have made an extensive case against Ed, who I believe is scum. Yes, it involves defending myself, but that is really secondary to the case, it is only because his scummy actions have involved voting for me, and going out of his way to heap more smears upon me. Now since you are the one to cast vote #3 against me, complaining that it is all so difficult and that this is ‘a toughie’, I’m going to call you out on this. How come you don’t evaluate my defence? I see that it might be good if I’d been able to do much scum hunting but as it is I’ve contributed several posts explaining my actions on D2 - if you are voting for me, you must think there is a considerable amount of BS in there. Secondly, you complain that I have not made any proper cases, when the case against Ed is so long not even you would call it minimal. How come you have not commented on the relative merits of that case, even to say something that, long as it might be, it’s just an OMGUS vote. As it stands, your post is just a lot of fluff to say you really don’t know and that by process of eeny meeny minie moe… you are going to vote for me but that it has been really difficult. Also you are not going to comment on 1) my defence because there’s too much of it (😕) and 2) on my case (which you contend I have not really made in the first place) against Ed. Because you are curious. Yeah right. :dubious: You’re off the town-lean-list, lady! ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/846 "2011-12-16T14:09:03Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > Well, I appreciate you are trying to help, but I already had a 50/50 chance going in with someone else you are less certain is town than you are yourself - you’re not saving me, you are saving **Mahaloth**. hmm. I hadn’t looked at it that way at all. damnit. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/847 "2011-12-16T14:15:26Z")
**unvote fubbleskag** **vote Mahaloth** Svejk’s point is so obvious when stated that it’s embarassing. I’m not convinced Mahaloth is town, so this is the better vote between him and myself, even if my original vote for him was tainted. Sorry, Mahaloth. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/848 "2011-12-16T14:30:22Z")
Well I’m happier to be taking my chances with \*\*Mahaloth \*\*than with you. I might even vote for him, but I don’t think I will since saving me in that way, if I pulled it off, will only create more doubts and suspicions. All this talking about me on D2 has done town the disservice of preventing it from scum hunting. I realize I have given town something to talk about and I apologize for that - switching those votes at that time was a fuck up. At any rate, even though I am town, I am not certain that my continued existence is actually a benefit to town, so I’ll just see what happens, let the chips fall where they may. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/849 "2011-12-16T14:32:31Z")
To be less ambiguous - that is supposed to read: I could vote for him, but won’t, not ‘I might even vote for him, but I don’t think I will’. I made up my mind while writing that admittedly short post but forgot to go back and edit for clarity. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/850 "2011-12-16T14:54:02Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > For now, I’m keeping my vote on Choie. I still submit that I suspect: > > 1. Choie > 2. Special Ed > 3. Fubble > > in that order. @ Mahaloth, Choie and Special Ed have one vote each. Fubbles has two. You’ve made your preference clear, if you’re not going to vote Svejk, why not double up on Special Ed or push Fubbles into the lead? Or even vote Gnarly? Similar question to Gnarly: Mahaloth and Special Ed were your primary suspects, you’ve made your suspicion of Hirka clear but now you’ve a chance to lynch Mahaloth or push Special Ed closer to the lead, why keep the one off? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/851 "2011-12-16T15:46:42Z")
Metagame question for Gnarly and Svejk, why did you guys choose to hide your online status after this game started? ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/852 "2011-12-16T15:55:41Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > it’s not clear if they could talk during Day 1 specifically, is what I was asking about - but thanks for taking the effort to look Trepa has confirmed that they were in fact able to talk during Day 1. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/853 "2011-12-16T15:59:09Z")
Posting as I catch up > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Septimus, MentalGuy and Fubbleskag, assuming there are at least 4 scum remaining, who do you think are Mahaloth’s scum buddies? > > Special Ed, Hirka, Choie, same question, who do you think are Svejk’s scum buddies apart from, presumably, Scathach? I’m no longer stronly suspicious of Svejk. I’m waiting until I catch up to change my vote. This is not an admission that I am wrong. Just that I might not be as right as I thought I was. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/854 "2011-12-16T16:00:55Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > sorry for not bolding names in my last post, typing one handed in a hurry and forgot ewwwwwwww ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/855 "2011-12-16T16:09:04Z")
Less than an hour! Will the tie sit until then?! Vote Count: Mahaloth (3): MentalGuy, fubbles, septimus Svejk (3): Special Ed, Hirka T’Bawa, choie gnarliecharlie (2): Scathach, Guiri fubbles (2): fluiddruid, Silver Jan Special Ed (1): Svejk Hirka (1): GnarlyCharlie choie (1): Mahaloth ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/856 "2011-12-16T16:19:04Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > my last few posts are incredibly speculative, perhaps even bordering on paranoid. but it’s certainly a possibility. and even if it’s not true, it’s something I might try one day if I’m ever lucky enough to play as scum. > > back to the more timely dilemma. the more I think about it, the more I realize that my vote on \*\*Mahaloth \*\*is likely to be tainted; he rubs me the wrong way and I can’t honestly say with any certainty if it’s because he’s scum or not. I cannot bring myself to remove my vote from \*\*Mahaloth \*\*if it will mean certain death for **Svejk**. however, I did just notice **Silver Jan** ’s vote on myself, which may provide an out. so, in an effort to be honest with my vote, and following my own logic from an earlier post: > > **unvote Mahaloth** > **vote fubbleskag** > > **Septimus** , if you’re still online and have any town leaning on **Svejk** , I’d ask that you switch your vote to myself in order to save him. What the heck? (I’m at school. No cussing) ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/857 "2011-12-16T16:20:37Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > So what is your decision? I see you have not come back to the thread since you posted this, it’s a shame to leave us all hanging. > > As for my post, yes there is quite a bit in there about what others have said about me, about which I actually realized when I was editing it that it does not really answer any of your questions. Still, I thought it was nice to point out that there clearly is no consensus on voting for me, FWIW. > > Intentional confirmation bias? There’s no such thing, of course, I am suggesting that you are faking it for nefarious reasons. OK, fake confirmation bias as opposed to intential confirmation bias. I actually assumed that that was what you meant. \*\*Unvote: Svejk \*\* * * * by my calculations, I still have 40 minutes to vote. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/858 "2011-12-16T16:22:21Z")
Correct. And woohoo! ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/859 "2011-12-16T16:23:02Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I will not vote to save Svejk but forced to choose between them, Mahaloth. My gut says neither are scum and to lynch Gnarly. Dependin n where the vote is when I finish the thread, I might be willing to join you in lynching gnarly. If nothing else, it might help me trust your gut. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/860 "2011-12-16T16:23:16Z")
No, it won’t sit until then. 🙂 I really really hate to do this because this is so late – I meant to get in here before work this morning – but I hate the tie and I did promise to shift my vote if a **fubbles** lynch seemed unlikely, which seems to be true. I’m also not really confident in my vote for him anymore, his behavior seems too out there anymore to be a scum play. **unvote fubbleskag** **vote Svejk** I’m not 100% confident in this vote but I just continue to be pinged by Svejk’s style of participation. To sum up what I’ve said previously, the timing has seemed calculated and it seems, from my perspective anyway, that he’s too willing to use vague words to discredit rather than taking a strongly stated position, which is something I find to be a scum attribute. Lastly, on a purely gut level, I’d rather be on the side with special ed, Hirka and choie than with MentalGuy, fubbles and septimus. I think the former group seems to lean more Town if I’m just going based on my feelings at the moment. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=44)