# Mafia: The Thrill of the Chase \[Newbie Friendly!\]

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [November 20, 2011, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526 "2011-11-20T06:04:36Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/901 "2011-12-17T01:02:41Z")

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> [@Svejk\_1](#):
>
> [spoiler]For your convenience, here are all 17 posts made by Gnarlycharlie.
> 
> There’s not a lot to go on. His votes were:
> 
> D1 - **Mahaloth** : “it feels like he’s trying to make an easy vote. he picks on what are slightly anti-town at worst.” This is **Gnarly** ’s first and last proper post that Day. It would appear that his vote is at least as easy as the one **Mahaloth** made.
> 
> D2 - **special ed** : “i’m still most suspicious of Mahaloth. i’m also suspicious of Special Ed. Special Ed’s new playstyle is already unhelpful to begin with but he seems to be more distracting than i’ve seen before. Mahaloth is voting for Special Ed. maybe it’s scum bussing fellow scum. if that’s the case i’ll help them.” I have a feeling that there’s some prophetic value in what **Gnarly** says here - perhaps he was right about one or both of them being scum? At any rate, here, the vote is both easy and weird - he votes _with_ the player he thinks is most suspicious, for another player that he also finds suspicious.
> 
> D3 - **Hirka** : “what bothers me is Hirka’s vote on Svejk. i understand that lynching Svejk can give us answers but Hirka’s reason is off. he’s willing to risk lynching a possible townie Svejk to prove he should be voting for scathach who he already suspects.” - the reasoning is a bit incoherent here, I don’t really understand what **Gnarly** means by ‘to prove he should be voting’ in this quote.
> 
> Other things that caught my eye:
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> - The man does not capitalize the personal pronoun ‘I’, nor does he capitalize at the beginning of sentences. Hardly a scum tell, but perhaps evidence that he is lacking in moral fiber.
> - “choie, some players don’t say anything after a townie is lynched because players used to be suspected of gloating and so choose to say nothing. the tells in the link are dated and IMO obsolete.” \*\*Gnarly \*\*did not ‘gloat’ - the tell \*was \*correct for him.
> - \*\*Gnarly \*\*had it in for **Special Ed** and **Mahaloth** especially, stating that they were his primary targets even when he was voting for **Hirka**. In each case, it could mean that they are town, and that **Gnarly** was trying to contribute to their demise; Alternately, it could mean that they are scum and \*\*Gnarly \*\*was trying to get in a one-off vote that would count towards town credit should either \*\*Maha \*\*or \*\*Ed \*\* be lynched. This latter option seems the more likely one; neither **Gnarly** ’s cases and their justification, nor his actual voting behavior suggest that he was ever trying to contribute to town getting lynched.
> 
> His [vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14522647&postcount=370)on D1 came in 46 moments before EoD, and was a one-off when there was a three-way tie in place. While it is understandable that he would not have stuck his head out to break the tie (I did not and sure as hell would not unless I was very certain of what I was doing) the vote he cast clearly was very inconsequential and harmless to **Mahaloth**. **Gnarly** ’s D2 [vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14547887&postcount=574)was 11 minutes before EoD, and was a second vote for\*\* Ed\*\*. Seeing that Inner was in the lead with four votes, here too \*\*Gnarly’s \*\*vote did not present any real danger for **Ed**. The third [vote](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14561373&postcount=702) came earlier, on Tuesday. This vote, too, remained a one-off vote throughout the Day and presented no real danger to \*\*Hirka \*\*at any point.
> 
> A third option is the intentional one-off harmless vote for a townie, but I find it hard to see what would motivate that.[/spoiler]

thank you for this, very insightful.

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**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/902 "2011-12-17T01:04:23Z")

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I have beer, very loud music, and an empty house. I’ve chosen this thread over the poker game at the casino for my friday night entertainment; which is probably for the best as far as my wallet is concerned (horrible at poker - \*\*MentalGuy \*\*can probably vouch for that). Let’s see how much I can get done here before my wife gets home and tears me away from it.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/903 "2011-12-17T01:29:42Z")

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Wow. Gnarly was not on my suspect list at all. I guess because he suspected me. Good one, everyone.

I still maintain my suspect list though.

1. Choir
2. Ed
3. Fubble

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/904 "2011-12-17T01:30:54Z")

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Neta:

Choie not choir. Autocorrect got me there.

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**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/905 "2011-12-17T01:32:08Z")

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Fubble… Apps forgiven if you pass me a few beers.

🙂

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**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/906 "2011-12-17T02:12:04Z")

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> [@Mahaloth](#):
>
> Fubble… Apps forgiven if you pass me a few beers.
> 
> 🙂

I assume that was intended to say “All’s forgiven” (damn auto correct)? If you like your beer flooded with bloody mary mix and extra helpings of worcestershire/tabasco, you’re welcome to as many as you can drink.

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**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/907 "2011-12-17T02:24:23Z")

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special ed seems to have a serious broner for my friend Svejk…

as of EOD3, ed has posted 146 times. starting with his 5th post of Day 1, he has been on Svejk’s ass about one thing or another, responding directly to Svejk 35 times; there were 20 more posts where he talks of or about Svejk without directly quoting him, and only 35 more posts that could be even remotely classified as contributive.

as it is, this tally took me a bloody hour, so there’s no way I’m doing it for everyone (I thought it’d go quicker with some nifty javascript filtering, but the beer is already slowing my fingers down) and only a slight chance I’ll even do it for anyone else, unless it’s requested specifically.

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**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/908 "2011-12-17T02:26:38Z")

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disaster: I’ve somehow run out of both tabasco and worcestershire already. I blame that nogoodsonofabitch **Mahaloth**

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**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/909 "2011-12-17T02:59:13Z")

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**Precambrianmollusc** hasn’t posted in 10 days and was at one point early on a leading lynch candidate

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**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/910 "2011-12-17T03:09:30Z")

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Also, choie said I was defensive rather than offensive - I’d like to get more clarification as to what she meant by that?

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**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/911 "2011-12-17T03:25:15Z")

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> [@fubbleskag](#):
>
> **Precambrianmollusc** hasn’t posted in 10 days and was at one point early on a leading lynch candidate

Yeah, I have the feeling that \*\*PCM \*\*might be sleeping with [del]the fishes[/del] \*\*orcenio \*\*and **gregorio** soon.

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**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/912 "2011-12-17T03:52:40Z")

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I won’t have much time to post over the weekend as usual, so I thought I’d swing by in case I’m killed overnight. (I don’t think I’m particularly at risk, by any means, but for once I have a few things to say.)

**Švejk** , thanks for the summary. I think this helps confirm in my mind that my gut was right regarding **special ed** and **Mahaloth** leaning Town. While it’s not ironclad that scum players don’t go after one another, it seems unlikely to play so riskily early in the game, especially without any clear threat and a generally increase scum advantage (due to both kill results and generally low participation).

I’m hoping we’ve gained some momentum. I know for myself that I will be taking a hard look at **Mental Guy** tomorrow and I’d like to come up with some solid reasons for a vote. It’s been nibbling at the back of my mind for a few days and I’d like to either solidify or discard that position as it is definitely going to shape my view of the game at this point.

Also, **Švejk** , you don’t need to apologize – you didn’t do anything wrong. ?I don’t think you needlessly distracted anyone; hashing things out, even between Town players, isn’t a waste of time. There is such a thing as jerking people around, sure – I’ve seen scum use endless rule discussions and number crunching that way – but you’re nowhere near that and it doesn’t strike me as intentional in any case. Your concentration is right where it should be right now, on finding scum. Alignment-wise, I am neutral on you at this point. I’m not quite ready to call it a town vibe but your actions since our initial scuffle seem to have a town orientation to me. You have contributed some good content and you have a valid reason for being defensive (after all, I was clearly on the attack). As a new player, your actions make sense to me.

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**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/913 "2011-12-17T06:07:06Z")

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I was at work this morning and was just able to look at the board every few minutes. I was getting flashbacks to Ragnarok and wondering if the scum were just putting on a show. Thankfully, charlie did not have a fake mason claim to pull out. I am still not quite sure how it happened, but good work to all those that were involved. Also, Hirka T’Bawa gets some major townie points from me.

Guiri, to answer your question from last night, I had not put together a list of who I thought would be scum with Mahaloth. It is not that I don’t think there would be some value in it, but at my skill level, I think I am better off trying to find the first scum and then using that information to try to root out the others.

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**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/914 "2011-12-17T06:14:48Z")

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Vote Record

Day 1

**Inner Stickler** - [del]GuiriEnEspana 81[/del] 82, choie 360  
Choie - GuiriEnEspana 82, special ed 351  
Silver Jan - [del]Svejk 119[/del] 329, **fisha** 302  
Svejk - [del]Precambrianmollusc 136[/del] 279(or 310), [del]Mahaloth 159[/del] 235  
Precambrianmollusc - [del] **Astral Rejection** 193[/del] 331, septimus 214, **wevets** 278, fubbleskag 359  
fluiddruid - [del]choie 207[/del] 360, [del] **wevets** 219[/del] 278  
fubbleskag - Mahaloth 235, [del] **Astral Rejection** 331[/del] 364  
Mahaloth - [del]MentalGuy 254[/del] 323, **gnarlycharlie** 370  
**wevets** - fluiddruid 266, Precambrianmollusc 279, **Astral Rejection** 364  
**fisha** - Silver Jan 318, MentalGuy 323, **Inner Stickler** 357  
Special Ed - Svejk 361

Day 2

**Inner Stickler** - Scathach 448, choie 524, GuiriEnEspana 558, Svejk 568  
GuiriEnEspana - septimus 505  
septimus - [del]GuiriEnEspana 510[/del] 538, [del] **Astral Rejection** 513[/del] 532, [del]MentalGuy 522[/del] 533, [del]fubbleskag 525[/del] 536, fubbleskag 560  
Scathach - Svejk 520, **Inner Stickler** 544, Hirka T’Bawa 548, MentalGuy 549  
Special Ed - Mahaloth 528, **gnarlycharlie** 574  
fubbleskag - special ed 543

Day 3

choie - Mahaloth 645  
Svejk - [del]special ed 646[/del], [del]Hirka T’Bawa 663[/del] 869, choie 809, [del]fluiddruid 860[/del] 872  
Hirka T’Bawa - **gnarlycharlie** 702  
fubbleskag - [del]Scathach 703[/del] 748, [del]fluiddruid 705[/del] 860, Silver Jan 818, [del]fubbleskag 834[/del] 847  
Mahaloth - MentalGuy 723, [del]fubbleskag 730[/del], septimus 785  
Scathach - [del]choie 736[/del] 792  
**gnarlycharlie** - Scathach 748, GuiriEnEspana 784, special ed 862, Hirka T’Bawa 869, fluiddruid 872  
special ed - Svejk 778

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**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/915 "2011-12-17T07:42:19Z")

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> [@fubbleskag](#):
>
> special ed seems to have a serious broner for my friend Svejk…
> 
> as of EOD3, ed has posted 146 times. starting with his 5th post of Day 1, he has been on Svejk’s ass about one thing or another, responding directly to Svejk 35 times; there were 20 more posts where he talks of or about Svejk without directly quoting him, and only 35 more posts that could be even remotely classified as contributive.
> 
> as it is, this tally took me a bloody hour, so there’s no way I’m doing it for everyone (I thought it’d go quicker with some nifty javascript filtering, but the beer is already slowing my fingers down) and only a slight chance I’ll even do it for anyone else, unless it’s requested specifically.

Why is\*\* Svejk\*\* your friend? I had **Svejk** as sort of a Townie newbie but I am still suspicious of you.

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**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/916 "2011-12-17T14:35:56Z")

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> [@Silver\_Jan](#):
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> Why is\*\* Svejk\*\* your friend? I had **Svejk** as sort of a Townie newbie but I am still suspicious of you.

why is the first question relevant, and how are the two related?

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**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/917 "2011-12-17T15:08:22Z")

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> [@fubbleskag](#):
>
> why is the first question relevant, and how are the two related?

Why do you call him your friend on here or do you know him in RL, that’s all? If you don’t know him in RL then it looks like you could be scum buddies.

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**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/918 "2011-12-17T15:47:50Z")

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I believe the term is snuggling. It is remarkably effective, I find myself having a hard time denouncing it, worried that I might hurt **fubbles** ’ feelings. Then again, he is just some random bozo on the internet that I don’t really know IRL and might never meet, and everybody knows that random bozos on the internet _have_ no feelings. So here goes - I find **Fubbleskag** increasingly suspicious for all the nice things he says to and about me, and especially after that little stunt he pulled yesterday trying to ‘save me’.

YesterDay, two people specifically stated they leaned town on me: \*\*[Gnarly](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14561373#post14561373)\*\*and **[Fubbles](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14564025#post14564025)** (again [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14571760#post14571760)). In the case of **Gnarly** , this makes good sense - there was a good chance that I was going to get lynched and if that did in fact happen and people saw I was town, he would at least have gone to bat for me, and he’d have been right all along. The same might be true for **Fubbleskag**.

Then there was the time that \*\*Mahaloth \*\*and I were tied for the lynch 3-3, and \*\*fubbles \*\*withdrew his vote for \*\*Mahaloth \*\*and [voted for himself](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14571835#post14571835), so that Mahaloth now had 2 votes, I still had three, and he now too had three. He was trying to save me. It was only a matter of time before someone ([me](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14571863#post14571863), in this case, but I was not alone in being confused about this move) pointed out that this makes no sense - and **Fubbleskag** [revoted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14571894&postcount=847) **Mahaloth**. Someone was bound to come along and point this out, or he could have posted something like ‘I redid the math on this one and actually I’m not saving **Švejk** , but **Mahaloth** , putting myself at risk needlessly, so I’m undoing what I did, sorry everybody’. Very possibly an empty gesture rather than failed heroics.

My cases against **Ed** have been rated 🙂 and 🙂 🙂 ([here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14543264#post14543264) and [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14567892&postcount=781)). Now he attacks **Ed** , who I’ve voted for twice, for ‘being on my ass’ ([here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14574716&postcount=907)) and he calls me his ‘friend’, and earlier ‘[peach](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14544248#post14544248)’. This man is just being \*too \*nice. I think this might be a case of scum being nice to a vocal newbie in hopes that it might give him some town cred. Consider yourself pinged, mister.

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**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/919 "2011-12-17T16:04:53Z")

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Small correction - the case rated 🙂 by **Fubbleskag** was against **Scathach** , not against **Ed**.

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**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/920 "2011-12-17T16:20:03Z")

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> [@Svejk\_1](#):
>
> Sleep tight sweet **choie**. While you’re in dreamland, let me rephrase the question. You voted against me for a certain number of reasons at a time when that vote made me tied for a lynch; others, **Ed** in particular have since withdrawn their votes and voiced their doubts about my scumminess.

Thanks for the well-wishes, I did have a good sleep but I could still do with some more, I’m still at a deficit for sure.

Re: **ed** ’s having removed his vote from you… since you think/thought Ed is scum, that’s an odd thing to use in your defense! 😃 Or does his having changed his mind about you change your mind about him?

> [@](#):
>
> After your vote I raised a number of issues [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14571869&postcount=845), calling into question your reasoning underlying your vote for me. All you’ve done is comment [4 minutes after EOD](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14572636&postcount=879) that you are ‘just more in favor of a Svejk lynch’. That’s fine, but I’d like to see you comment on that a bit more fully if you don’t mind. Do you consider me a prime lynch target for D4?

Well, my issue ws that almost all of your posts (until now, with your very helpful look back at **gnarlycharlie** ’s record–awesome job!) have been about defending yourself and OMGUSing **special ed**. I mean, do you actually think [this is making a case on **special ed**?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14567709&postcount=778) It’s saying almost nothing about his other actions; it’s about his suspicions against _you_, not your suspicions against _him_.

That’s what I mean about defensive rather than offensive. Heck, [here you even say "I should say why Ed is scummier than others](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14567722#post14567722) but you proceed _not_ to say anything about Ed in that post; your whole stated rationale for voting **special ed** was because he was going after _you_. A classic OMGUS move common for newbies; I _know_ I did the same thing at least once in my first game. It’s also common for scum.

So basically while you don’t need to beat yourself up or wear a hair shirt, I (unlike **fluiddruid** , whose post should make you feel all warm and snuggly :D) _did_ think you were a distraction, just like the weird posts from **fubbleskag** and **Mahaloth**. Not a heinous distraction, but it wasn’t particularly productive Townie behavior either.

Combined with that oddball last-minute switch from **Scathach** back on D1, I just felt, yeah, he could well be newbie scum trying desperately to avoid getting lynched. That seemed to be your main _raison d’etre_ in the thread on D2; you even stayed away for a few days because you were low about the prospect of being lynched (understandable for anyone, Scum or Townie) and didn’t want to add fuel to the fire (less understandable for a Townie). All that seemed anti-Town to me. The weird dynamic about this game is that the more you post about your own innocence, the guiltier you look. At least IMHO. My reasoning could certainly have been wrong, but that’s what it was.

As I’ve said before, if you’re Townie, keep posting as you have been for the past 24 hours – investigate, don’t defend. (I’m not saying you can’t defend yourself, just don’t focus the majority of your time on that.) This way even if the worst happens and you _are_ lynched, at least your posts offer us a useful batch of post-mortem fodder to examine. Same goes for me or any other Townie.

Do I think you’re a prime D4 lynch candidate? Nah, not at this time; there are a variety of candidates as far as I can tell, and I definitely want to look at **gnarlycharlie** ’s history. Again, thank you for that, it’s most helpful.

Anyway speaking of posting only on one topic, I think I’ve spent enough on this one. There’s scum to be hunted and since this Night could be my or any other Townie’s last, we need to get crackin’.

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> Also, choie said I was defensive rather than offensive - I’d like to get more clarification as to what she meant by that?

Hm, you know, to be honest, I’m looking back on your posts and I think I was misremembering them. So I apologize for that.

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