# Mafia: The Thrill of the Chase \[Newbie Friendly!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 20, 2011, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526 "2011-11-20T06:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/921 "2011-12-17T16:31:28Z")
OMG. It could be that I’m still low on brain cells due to lack of sleep, but it’s cracking me up that _again_ **Svejk** is basing a case on someone primarily due to that suspect’s behavior towards _him_. Is this the Mafia game’s equivalent of Narcissistic Perosnality Disorder? 😃 That said, yeah, **fubbleskag** ’s behavior this whole game has been freaky. Unvoting/voting for **septimus** , voting to abstain, voting himself… plus, I think his last post complimenting / snuggling **Svejk** (not sure which it is, same as **fluiddruid** ) is the longest thing he’s posted in the entire game. And where are all the smilies? ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/922 "2011-12-17T16:37:39Z")
Thank you for comments, I think you make a bunch of good points. As for Ed, I do think that I’ve grown less suspicious of him and that there was more OMGUS in my vote than I realized at the time. > [@choie](#): > > That seemed to be your main _raison d’etre_ in the thread on D2; you even stayed away for a few days because you were low about the prospect of being lynched (understandable for anyone, Scum or Townie) **and didn’t want to add fuel to the fire** (less understandable for a Townie). Bolding mine. At the risk of seeming defensive once more (and if it is up to me I’ll never say anything else about this ever) but that is not true, it was not my motivation for staying away, and I never said it was. I don’t think that I could have drawn a whole lot more fire than I was drawing at the time anyway. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/923 "2011-12-17T16:39:56Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Why do you call him your friend on here or do you know him in RL, that’s all? If you don’t know him in RL then it looks like you could be scum buddies. > [@Svejk\_1](#): > > [spoiler]I believe the term is snuggling. It is remarkably effective, I find myself having a hard time denouncing it, worried that I might hurt **fubbles** ’ feelings. Then again, he is just some random bozo on the internet that I don’t really know IRL and might never meet, and everybody knows that random bozos on the internet _have_ no feelings. So here goes - I find **Fubbleskag** increasingly suspicious for all the nice things he says to and about me, and especially after that little stunt he pulled yesterday trying to ‘save me’. > > YesterDay, two people specifically stated they leaned town on me: \*\*[Gnarly](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14561373#post14561373)\*\*and **[Fubbles](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14564025#post14564025)** (again [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14571760#post14571760)). In the case of **Gnarly** , this makes good sense - there was a good chance that I was going to get lynched and if that did in fact happen and people saw I was town, he would at least have gone to bat for me, and he’d have been right all along. The same might be true for **Fubbleskag**. > > Then there was the time that \*\*Mahaloth \*\*and I were tied for the lynch 3-3, and \*\*fubbles \*\*withdrew his vote for \*\*Mahaloth \*\*and [voted for himself](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14571835#post14571835), so that Mahaloth now had 2 votes, I still had three, and he now too had three. He was trying to save me. It was only a matter of time before someone ([me](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14571863#post14571863), in this case, but I was not alone in being confused about this move) pointed out that this makes no sense - and **Fubbleskag** [revoted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14571894&postcount=847) **Mahaloth**. Someone was bound to come along and point this out, or he could have posted something like ‘I redid the math on this one and actually I’m not saving **Švejk** , but **Mahaloth** , putting myself at risk needlessly, so I’m undoing what I did, sorry everybody’. Very possibly an empty gesture rather than failed heroics. > > My cases against **Ed** have been rated 🙂 and 🙂 🙂 ([here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14543264#post14543264) and [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14567892&postcount=781)). Now he attacks **Ed** , who I’ve voted for twice, for ‘being on my ass’ ([here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14574716&postcount=907)) and he calls me his ‘friend’, and earlier ‘[peach](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14544248#post14544248)’. This man is just being \*too \*nice. I think this might be a case of scum being nice to a vocal newbie in hopes that it might give him some town cred. Consider yourself pinged, mister.[/spoiler] alright, this is just getting ridiculous. it seems that no matter what I do or say I’m suspicious to someone for it, so I’m going to just reveal my role: > [@](#): > > Role PM (mafia) > This was totally random, I swear: > > Hooker with a Heart of Gold (Town Hider) > > C’mon, you’ve heard of this one. It’s right up there with “the cop who dies the day before he retires” on the most cliched character type. > > Power: > > 1. Each night, you can pick someone else’s room to hide in. If someone’s out to kill you, they’ll be unsuccessful. However, if someone kills the person you’re hiding behind, you die too. this is quite possibly the worst possible role for me personally, if you think about it. I’m horrible as town, and the only real threat to me with this role is a mis-lynch or hiding behind the wrong person. what I really need as town is some protection from a mis-lynch if I’m ever going to see EOG. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/924 "2011-12-17T16:46:29Z")
random questions I don’t have the time to research answers for right now: - if \*\*gnarly \*\*was a bussing, who stands to have gained the most town cred for it? - could the entire **Svejk** / **ed** thing have been an act? now that they’re both softening up on their suspicion of each other, does that lead any of us to lend them more town credit? - is there anything to my earlier random thought about scum purposely pushing tie votes? ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/925 "2011-12-17T16:48:24Z")
NETA: - am I over-reacting in thinking that Silver Jan’s suspicions / votes are pretty weak straw-grasping? could she be latching on to the smallest detail in order to hide in plain sight and/or dogpile on an already suspected townie? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/926 "2011-12-17T17:02:27Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > Thank you for comments, I think you make a bunch of good points. As for Ed, I do think that I’ve grown less suspicious of him and that there was more OMGUS in my vote than I realized at the time. No prob, and thanks for being good-natured about this. > [@](#): > > Bolding mine. At the risk of seeming defensive once more (and if it is up to me I’ll never say anything else about this ever) but that is not true, it was not my motivation for staying away, and I never said it was. I don’t think that I could have drawn a whole lot more fire than I was drawing at the time anyway. Heh, that much is true. But I’m looking at your comment, [“I felt there was not a lot I could contribute to my own defence that I had not already said in post #595, and was uncertain how to avoid my own lynching which contributed to 1).”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14562543&postcount=719) Not posting because you felt you couldn’t say anything to avoid your own lynching is _basically_ the equivalent of not posting because you don’t want to be lynched. At least I think it’s a reasonable interpretation of it. I might add that this is a very normal way to behave, especially as a newbie, so you don’t have to feel that insulted by our interpreting it that way. I did the exact same thing in **De’endee** ; I felt I was screwing up and was worried that people were misunderstanding me, and that I should just be quiet and lurk for a while so I didn’t make any more mistakes that could cost Town another Townie (me). > [@fubbleskag](#): > > alright, this is just getting ridiculous. it seems that no matter what I do or say I’m suspicious to someone for it, so I’m going to just reveal my role: **fubbleskag** , what the hell? (Does anyone else feel like we’re _always_ saying that to **fubbleskag** ’s posts?) It’s still Night and we’re days away from any future lynching, why on _earth_ would you reveal now? Plus that’s a particularly bizarre role, IMHO. It’s so damn detrimental to Town–if this alleged Town Ho **fubbles** hides behind a Townie, it means we lose _two_ on our side. Crazy! ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/927 "2011-12-17T18:06:27Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > I believe the term is snuggling. It is remarkably effective, I find myself having a hard time denouncing it, worried that I might hurt **fubbles** ’ feelings. Then again, he is just some random bozo on the internet that I don’t really know IRL and might never meet, and everybody knows that random bozos on the internet _have_ no feelings. So here goes - I find **Fubbleskag** increasingly suspicious for all the nice things he says to and about me, and especially after that little stunt he pulled yesterday trying to ‘save me’. > > YesterDay, two people specifically stated they leaned town on me: \*\*[Gnarly](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14561373#post14561373)\*\*and **[Fubbles](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14564025#post14564025)** (again [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14571760#post14571760)). In the case of **Gnarly** , this makes good sense - there was a good chance that I was going to get lynched and if that did in fact happen and people saw I was town, he would at least have gone to bat for me, and he’d have been right all along. The same might be true for **Fubbleskag**. > > Then there was the time that \*\*Mahaloth \*\*and I were tied for the lynch 3-3, and \*\*fubbles \*\*withdrew his vote for \*\*Mahaloth \*\*and [voted for himself](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14571835#post14571835), so that Mahaloth now had 2 votes, I still had three, and he now too had three. He was trying to save me. It was only a matter of time before someone ([me](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14571863#post14571863), in this case, but I was not alone in being confused about this move) pointed out that this makes no sense - and **Fubbleskag** [revoted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14571894&postcount=847) **Mahaloth**. Someone was bound to come along and point this out, or he could have posted something like ‘I redid the math on this one and actually I’m not saving **Švejk** , but **Mahaloth** , putting myself at risk needlessly, so I’m undoing what I did, sorry everybody’. Very possibly an empty gesture rather than failed heroics. > > My cases against **Ed** have been rated 🙂 and 🙂 🙂 ([here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14543264#post14543264) and [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14567892&postcount=781)). Now he attacks **Ed** , who I’ve voted for twice, for ‘being on my ass’ ([here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14574716&postcount=907)) and he calls me his ‘friend’, and earlier ‘[peach](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=14544248#post14544248)’. This man is just being \*too \*nice. I think this might be a case of scum being nice to a vocal newbie in hopes that it might give him some town cred. Consider yourself pinged, mister. I am so with you on this one, I voted for **Fubbles** yesterday and I think it was a reasonable vote. What he is writing now just makes him look more scummy, what, with the snuggling and all! The only reason I think you could be Town is your whacked vote on me on D1, would scum do that? Of course they would lol, Scum will do anything to win. As a new player, I don’t think you would have taken a chance like that. I am known for doing OMGUS votes and usually I am right (check the Naruto game when I was a Vig) ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/928 "2011-12-17T18:25:40Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > NETA: > > - am I over-reacting in thinking that Silver Jan’s suspicions / votes are pretty weak straw-grasping? could she be latching on to the smallest detail in order to hide in plain sight and/or dogpile on an already suspected townie? Damn, we were cross posting again. I’m not hiding nor am I ready to dogpile. If you thought that then look at my vote yesterday which was for you, I didn’t even try and break a tie which is what \*\*Hirka \*\*wanted me to do. If I am ever a Mod again, there will be no posting of role PM’s, what a load of crock, why not all post on D1 and not play the game grrrr… ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/929 "2011-12-17T18:36:00Z")
SilverJan, choie, what do you guys think of MentalGuy? ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/930 "2011-12-17T19:11:58Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > SilverJan, choie, what do you guys think of MentalGuy? I really don’t know what to think about him but… he had a really good post about **Fubbles** and yet he didn’t vote for him. I still think that **Fubbles** is scum and after your question\*\* Guiri\*\*, perhaps they are scum together. What hasn’t come up in this game are Masons? Could there be any and if so wouldn’t be a good time to say so? ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/931 "2011-12-17T21:33:14Z")
> [@choie](#): > > No prob, and thanks for being good-natured about this. > > Heh, that much is true. But I’m looking at your comment, [“I felt there was not a lot I could contribute to my own defence that I had not already said in post #595, and was uncertain how to avoid my own lynching which contributed to 1).”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14562543&postcount=719) Not posting because you felt you couldn’t say anything to avoid your own lynching is _basically_ the equivalent of not posting because you don’t want to be lynched. At least I think it’s a reasonable interpretation of it. > > I might add that this is a very normal way to behave, especially as a newbie, so you don’t have to feel that insulted by our interpreting it that way. I did the exact same thing in **De’endee** ; I felt I was screwing up and was worried that people were misunderstanding me, and that I should just be quiet and lurk for a while so I didn’t make any more mistakes that could cost Town another Townie (me). > > **fubbleskag** , what the hell? (Does anyone else feel like we’re _always_ saying that to **fubbleskag** ’s posts?) It’s still Night and we’re days away from any future lynching, why on _earth_ would you reveal now? > > Plus that’s a particularly bizarre role, IMHO. It’s so damn detrimental to Town–if this alleged Town Ho **fubbles** hides behind a Townie, it means we lose _two_ on our side. Crazy! I think you’re misreading the role. The person I hide behind doesn’t get killed instead of me if I am targeted.I get killed along with them if they are targeted, otherwise I’m safe from night kills. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/932 "2011-12-17T21:37:15Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Damn, we were cross posting again. I’m not hiding nor am I ready to dogpile. If you thought that then look at my vote yesterday which was for you, I didn’t even try and break a tie which is what \*\*Hirka \*\*wanted me to do. > > If I am ever a Mod again, there will be no posting of role PM’s, what a load of crock, why not all post on D1 and not play the game grrrr… > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I really don’t know what to think about him but… he had a really good post about **Fubbles** and yet he didn’t vote for him. I still think that **Fubbles** is scum and after your question\*\* Guiri\*\*, perhaps they are scum together. > > What hasn’t come up in this game are Masons? Could there be any and if so wouldn’t be a good time to say so? Do you not see the self contradiction here? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/933 "2011-12-17T22:52:34Z")
Fubbles, there’s a dead bodyguard and a claimed Doc, how do you see your role fitting in with those? Do you only hide at Night or does your hiding last for a full cycle? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/934 "2011-12-17T22:54:11Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I am still not sure who to vote for tomorrow but\*\* choie\*\* had a really good case against **Inner** , was it too good and yes I suppose it is a FOS. Whatever happened to your suspicions of choie? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2011, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/935 "2011-12-17T22:59:50Z")
On MentalGuy… > [@MentalGuy](#): > > In the meantime, I am pretty much just "me-too"ing what other players said. I think gregorio was definitely a vig kill. I think Wevets was killed by scum,\*\* but I am not sure\*\* if it was because he was protecting someone, or if he was the direct scum kill. About the only reason I can think of for scum to kill him would be to create WIFOM, but I have not went back and read closely to see if he might have done something to make scum believe he was valuable. Bolding added, this is the post that caught my attention. The wording seems clumsy. Then he asked Svejk what made Scathach more scummy than Mental himself, given that Svejk’s lurker case could equally apply to Mental. Without waiting for an answer, he proceeded to vote Scathach. Then this post was interesting: > [@MentalGuy](#): > > The thing that is bothering me most right now is that there has not been the expected bandwagon on Svejk. Expected bandwagon? There were just three players who mentioned an intention to vote Svejk: Astral (Night killed), Special Ed (who voted shortly after Dawn) and Mental Guy: > [@MentalGuy](#): > > It wasn’t a time of day when I could stop and make a post when I read Svejk’s vote switch, but my mental response was about the same as Special Ed’s. My next thought, though, was “would he be that obvious about it?” He is a new player, however, and not realized just how suspicious he seemed. Or Scathach could be a scum power and he thought the play was worth it to have her live one more Night. > > So, yeah, I think I will be voting Svejk tomorrow also. > [@MentalGuy](#): > > I am wondering if the scum saw that some players were willing to look elsewhere and have encouraged the cases away from Svejk. MentalGuy had a role in encouraging the cases away from Svejk. During the Day, after Svejk had picked up votes from Special Ed and Hirka, he changed his mind but remained supportive of others who wanted to lynch Svejk, even if it was a mislynch, as we’d gain information: > [@MentalGuy](#): > > My intention after end of Day yesterDay was to vote for Svejk toDay, but now I am not as sure. > > It all seems a bit too obvious, like scum are trying to lead us down that path. > […] > I don’t know. I don’t really object to his lynch, since it will provide us some information and if he is not lynched he will continue to be a question mark. I am just not confident that we are actually lynching scum. > > I may vote for someone else just to draw attention to them as possibly scummy, but I am not going to argue against a Svejk lynch. And the reasons (snipped from above): > [@MentalGuy](#): > > Evidence that Svejk is scum: > > His vote change late in the Day yesterDay. > Astral’s death last Night. > Svejk’s change in his posting pattern (he has disappeared). > Reasons he may not be scum: > > His vote change was too obviously a possible scum play for scum to really consider it. > Astral’s death feels like scum are trying to get Svejk lynched. His vote change is scummy, his vote change is Townie - now it’s a null tell but he was prepared to vote based on this during N2. Astral’s death makes him scum, Astral’s death makes him Townie - null tell, it’s WIFOM. His drop in participation is scummy - all the more reason to suspect him, no? ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/936 "2011-12-18T01:34:11Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Fubbles, there’s a dead bodyguard and a claimed Doc, how do you see your role fitting in with those? I don’t understand what you’re asking me here. I’ve never run into this role before personally. from what I read on the mafia wiki, I’m supposed to claim cop so that scum waste a night kill on me? we’ve already seen a dead cop, and the general consensus in the previous games I’ve played here is to lynch all liars, regardless of alignment, so I’m not sure the mafia wiki’s suggested approach would have worked here in any case. > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Role PM (mafia) > > This was totally random, I swear: > > > > Hooker with a Heart of Gold (Town Hider) > > > > C’mon, you’ve heard of this one. It’s right up there with “the cop who dies the day before he retires” on the most cliched character type. > > > > Power: > > > > 1. **Each night, you can pick someone else’s room to hide in.** If someone’s out to kill you, they’ll be unsuccessful. However, if someone kills the person you’re hiding behind, you die too. > > Do you only hide at Night or does your hiding last for a full cycle? bolding mine. I’ve interpreted it literally, as if this protection is only from potential night actions like vig/sk/scum night kills; I’ve received nothing from the moderator to indicate otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/937 "2011-12-18T01:36:03Z")
also, each and every single one of you is now officially a lean scum for me. this morning while I was trying to read/review, my wife finally asked me what the hell I was doing that was so important that she had walked in and out of the office not once, not twice, but three times completely naked and I didn’t even notice. let the hostility begin. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/938 "2011-12-18T01:50:06Z")
**Guiri** I’m not sure what I think about **Mental Guy**. I think he’s been quite wishy-washy but to be honest, I remember him playing _exactly_ the same way in our last game, and I believe he was Town, so… The hedging-his-bets thing and vagueness seem to be part of his regular play style. Which basically means I know fuck all. > [@fubbleskag](#): > > I think you’re misreading the role. The person I hide behind doesn’t get killed instead of me if I am targeted.I get killed along with them if they are targeted, otherwise I’m safe from night kills. I thought that’s what I said. If you hide behind a townie who’s targetted (and presumably the only people who are targetted are townies – unless we have a vig, which is by no mean certain), that means the townie’s dead, and you’re dead, which means _two_ dead townies. Assuming you’re Town, that is. So that role seems all kinds of unfair for Town. Or if that’s not what you’re saying, what _are_ you saying? **Guiri** , what are _your_ thoughts on **Silver Jan** and **fubbles**? It’s time to put the DA in the witness stand for a while. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/939 "2011-12-18T09:03:19Z")
Between the abstain, the attack on Mahaloth, the handshake attempt, the smilies, the evasiveness, voting the doc, the self-vote with its strained logic, and the claim, I suspect Fubbles has been trying to attract votes rather than a Night kill. 3rd party survivor? Jester? He’s probably the crazy role referred to by Trepa. I don’t think it’s very likely that he’s scum though. His self-vote yesterDay reminded me of my first mafia game, Screamers. Tiltawhirl was a (scum) hider and had selected AllWalker to hide behind. AllWalker was the lynch leader and Tilta knew that if he was lynched, she’d die too, so she tried to force her own lynch. In the end AllWalker was lynched (but survived!) and Tilta died. Trepa, the moderator, described her role as “A hider is a role that can hide behind another character to avoid kills. If they’re hiding, and they’re attacked, they won’t die. But if the person they’re hiding behind dies, they die too.”, no mention of the lynch but it applied. But that would mean fubbles was hiding behind Mahaloth, who he was voting, or Svejk, who had attracted plenty of attention after his D2 vote switch and would have been the worst player to hide behind. It would certainly explain his willingness to be lynched to “save” Svejk or Mahaloth. “what I really need as town is some protection from a mis-lynch if I’m ever going to see EOG.” - why say this? Why EOG? I believe he’s a hider. Trepa’s comment in the role PM makes sense when matched with Fubbles’ sign-up post. I’m trying to think if there’s some way to test Septimus and Fubbles’ claims with the help of the Vig/SK. I suspect SilverJan is scum but I’m not ready to make a case. ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/940 "2011-12-18T09:36:48Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > I don’t understand what you’re asking me here. I’ve never run into this role before personally. from what I read on the mafia wiki, I’m supposed to claim cop so that scum waste a night kill on me? we’ve already seen a dead cop, and the general consensus in the previous games I’ve played here is to lynch all liars, regardless of alignment, so I’m not sure the mafia wiki’s suggested approach would have worked here in any case. I don’t know why you claimed at all but yeah, if you’re Town, you could have dropped hints that you were a power role, not specifically a cop, to attract a scum Night kill. Your vote on Septimus makes sense given your claimed role but you haven’t mentioned it as a reason for re-voting. In fact you went back and forth on Septimus’ claim, wondering if scum were trying to get us to mislynch a doc, and then asked him to vote you in order to save Svejk? Don’t 3 town protective roles seem like quite a lot? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=48)