# Mafia: The Thrill of the Chase \[Newbie Friendly!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 20, 2011, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526 "2011-11-20T06:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/941 "2011-12-18T14:27:57Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Between the abstain, the attack on Mahaloth, the handshake attempt, the smilies, the evasiveness, voting the doc, the self-vote with its strained logic, and the claim, I suspect Fubbles has been trying to attract votes rather than a Night kill. 3rd party survivor? Jester? He’s probably the crazy role referred to by Trepa. I don’t think it’s very likely that he’s scum though. when I first read my PM I didn’t think of the ‘maybe just one’ comment by Trepa, but when I saw how many normal town power roles we’d already killed, I started to wonder. I’ve never run into this role before, but it doesn’t strike me as particularly ‘crazy’ - it’s not even particularly useful to town unless the person playing is crafty enough to make it so, which apparently I am not. even if I had read the mafia wiki entry on Day 1, instead of more recently, I’m not sure I would have been able to pull off anything useful. > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > “what I really need as town is some protection from a mis-lynch if I’m ever going to see EOG.” - why say this? Why EOG? because I’ve never made it past Day 3 or 4 yet. I’m genuinely curious why this comment warranted a comment? > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I’m trying to think if there’s some way to test Septimus and Fubbles’ claims with the help of the Vig/SK. if you come up with anything, I’m all ears; particularly if it helps clear up Septimus’ status > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > I don’t know why you claimed at all but yeah, if you’re Town, you could have dropped hints that you were a power role, not specifically a cop, to attract a scum Night kill. maybe after the game, if you wouldn’t mind giving me some advice on how I might have done this? > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Don’t 3 town protective roles seem like quite a lot? I have no idea. I haven’t played enough to take into consideration what I consider be typical or not. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/942 "2011-12-18T15:53:19Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Your vote on Septimus makes sense given your claimed role but you haven’t mentioned it as a reason for re-voting. In fact you went back and forth on Septimus’ claim, wondering if scum were trying to get us to mislynch a doc, and then asked him to vote you in order to save Svejk? Don’t 3 town protective roles seem like quite a lot? I’m really not able to wrap my mind around this role. How is it protective? Except toward **fubbleskag** himself, if someone tries to bump him off? Oh wait, I just may have figured this out – you’re saying that he should’ve tried to attract attention so that he’d be targetted by scum, since he’s apparently immune, and therefore he’d be saving some other Townie from the scum? And for that matter, isn’t his claiming this _now_, only just after Night began, rather anti-Town? There’s nearly a week until the next Day ends, and he’s obviously not in imminent danger of lynching – he could’ve easily waited until after Dawn to defend himself by posting his role PM. Now, claiming just after Night falls, means that he’s told scum early on, “don’t waste time trying to kill me, I’m immune,” which basically renders his role useless? …Which is exactly what happened with **septimus** , as a matter of fact. What the hell is with these supposed power roles and their determination to protect themselves more than Town? BTW, would it be at all edifying if we asked him whom he hid behind for the past couple of Nights? Seems to me as if finding that out would give us a bit more info? For example: as I read the Mafia Wiki entry on “Hider,” it says that any attempts to hide behind a scum member would result in the Hider’s death. Maybe that’s not part of the rules here, I dunno, but if it is, whoever **fubbles** hid behind will be cleared. As far as your last question, in a newbie-friendly game, I’d think we need all the protective roles we can get! Of course that’s doubly true considering apparently two of our protective role players have apparently preferred to protect themselves rather than their team. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/943 "2011-12-18T16:14:24Z")
> [@choie](#): > > BTW, would it be at all edifying if we asked him whom he hid behind for the past couple of Nights? Seems to me as if finding that out would give us a bit more info? For example: as I read the Mafia Wiki entry on “Hider,” it says that any attempts to hide behind a scum member would result in the Hider’s death. Maybe that’s not part of the rules here, I dunno, but if it is, whoever **fubbles** hid behind will be cleared. there is no indication in my role pm that what you are reading on the mafia wiki applies to me in this particular game ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/944 "2011-12-18T16:23:49Z")
Okay, bummer. I thought that whatever traditinal rules applied to roles were likely to be followed even if not specifically mentioned. Anyway, can you clarify why you posted your claim during the Night instead of waiting to see if it was necessary later in the Day? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/945 "2011-12-18T16:25:30Z")
Also, **Guiri** , what are your latest thoughts on **Scathach** and **Hirka**? ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/946 "2011-12-18T16:35:10Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > because I’ve never made it past Day 3 or 4 yet. I’m genuinely curious why this comment warranted a comment? A townie’s goal is to get rid of scum, personal survival is not necessary to meet the win condition. You voted the claimed doc and then yourself in order to save a player whose alignment you should not know but you’re concerned about being mislynched. The last time I saw this role it was scum and could hide from the lynch, you may be misleading us. Echoing choie, who have you hidden behind so far? Choie, I’m leaning Town on both Scathach and Hirka. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/947 "2011-12-18T17:04:06Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Okay, bummer. I thought that whatever traditinal rules applied to roles were likely to be followed even if not specifically mentioned. > > Anyway, can you clarify why you posted your claim during the Night instead of waiting to see if it was necessary later in the Day? these things have a tendency to steam roll and it made more sense to clear it up now rather than letting people waste the Daytime and only claim near the end of the Day, which not give people enough time to make an alternate decision. also partly out of exasperation; I’m tired of defending myself - and yet, once again, it seems that even my claim itself is leading to more suspicion and more defense, or ‘clarification’ if you prefer. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/948 "2011-12-18T17:09:57Z")
> [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > A townie’s goal is to get rid of scum, personal survival is not necessary to meet the win condition. so I’m not allowed to have a personal goal of finishing a game? or even just making it further than I normally do? what a load of horse shit. > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > You voted the claimed doc and then yourself in order to save a player whose alignment you should not know but you’re concerned about being mislynched. The last time I saw this role it was scum and could hide from the lynch, you may be misleading us. of course I’m concerned about being mis-lynched, who wouldn’t be? obviously I’m willing to sacrifice myself for the good of town (even if my attempt to do so was not only based on faulty logic, but apparently somehow scummy?), but that doesn’t preclude me from wanting to survive. [/quote] > [@GuiriEnEspana](#): > > Echoing choie, who have you hidden behind so far? convince me this information brings any value to town and I’ll tell you; otherwise, I’m keeping mum. what if there’s a pattern to my selection process that scum are able to figure out, thereby predicting my next choice and taking out myself and them? if you (or anyone else) is unable to convince me there’s pro-town value in this information, I may have to consider it a scum tell to have even asked for it in the first place. Choie, I’m leaning Town on both Scathach and Hirka. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/949 "2011-12-18T17:11:33Z")
bah, ignore the broken quote at the end, it wasnt intended to be included nor commented upon ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/950 "2011-12-18T17:19:56Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > so I’m not allowed to have a personal goal of finishing a game? or even just making it further than I normally do? what a load of horse shit. Personally I understand having that as a goal, and I don’t think it’s unnatural to feel that way. In-game, though, I think someone reading your comment and interpreting it as “I need to last till EOG to win” isn’t _completely_ out of the question. > [@](#): > > convince me this information brings any value to town and I’ll tell you; otherwise, I’m keeping mum. what if there’s a pattern to my selection process that scum are able to figure out, thereby predicting my next choice and taking out myself and them? if you (or anyone else) is unable to convince me there’s pro-town value in this information, I may have to consider it a scum tell to have even asked for it in the first place. My rationale for asking for this info – well, actually I only asked whether we _should_ ask for it – was what I stated: that according to the wiki description I’d read, a town hider like you would’ve died if you’d hidden behind someone who’s scum/mafia, which means whoever you’ve hidden behind was clearly Town. If this _isn’t_ the way your specific version of the role is being handled, then I don’t think there’s much value in the info. Or am I wrong? ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/951 "2011-12-18T17:25:43Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Personally I understand having that as a goal, and I don’t think it’s unnatural to feel that way. In-game, though, I think someone reading your comment and interpreting it as “I need to last till EOG to win” isn’t _completely_ out of the question. fair enough, i wont consider it (on its own) a scum tell for asking > [@choie](#): > > My rationale for asking for this info – well, actually I only asked whether we _should_ ask for it – was what I stated: that according to the wiki description I’d read, a town hider like you would’ve died if you’d hidden behind someone who’s scum/mafia, which means whoever you’ve hidden behind was clearly Town. If this _isn’t_ the way your specific version of the role is being handled, then I don’t think there’s much value in the info. Or am I wrong? we’re on the same page here ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/952 "2011-12-18T17:32:07Z")
Coolio. Is it me or is Dawn late in breaking this morning? I guess considering that it’s winter, we should expect darkness to last a bit longer. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/953 "2011-12-18T17:45:03Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > Do you not see the self contradiction here? Nope, I don’t see why they have to be mutually exclusive. Surely you can make a claim without posting you role PM, or am I mistaken? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/954 "2011-12-18T18:17:53Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Coolio. > > Is it me or is Dawn late in breaking this morning? I guess considering that it’s winter, we should expect darkness to last a bit longer. 🙂 Sorry, had prior engagements. Couldn’t pull away from them, too sudden to give notice. Give me a sec, I’ll start the day. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/955 "2011-12-18T18:23:57Z")
The night was spooky, and long. Folks were too busy huddling up to explore each other, too afraid of the multiple killers on the loose to make the night their own. Too bad. For the day proved unexpectedly levitory. While, yes, Guiri was found dripping from the rafters upside-down (and, I mean, when doesn’t that happen after a long enough get-together), the second victim of the night proved to not actually be a victim at all! That is to say, not dead. That is to say, alive. Yay, life! **GuiriEnEspana, Vanilla Town, is dead.** It is now Day 4. Day 4 ends at 11:00 AM MST on Friday, Dec 23. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/956 "2011-12-18T18:26:13Z")
Player List: Alive: 1. Mahaloth (m) 2. Scathach (f) 3. precambrianmollusc (m) 4. MentalGuy (m) 5. Hirka T’Bawa (m) 6. septimus (m) 7. choie (f) 8. special ed (m) 9. fubbleskag (m) 10. Silver Jan (f) 11. Svejk (m) 12. fluiddruid (f) Dead: **Inner Stickler (m) (Vanilla Town)** **Astral Rejection (m) (Vanilla Town)** **gregorio (m) (Town Cop)** **orcenio (m) (Vanilla Town)** \*\* wevets (m) (Town Bodyguard)\*\* **fisha (f) (Vanilla Town)** **gnarlycharlie (m) (Scum Goon)** **GuiriEnEspana (m) (Vanilla Town)** ---
**Author:** ![GuiriEnEspana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc79bd/32.png) [@GuiriEnEspana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuiriEnEspana)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/957 "2011-12-18T18:27:29Z")
Go Town!!! ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/958 "2011-12-18T18:29:24Z")
Oh fuck. This one hurts. Sorry, **Guiri**. You will definitely be missed. I’m not surprised you scumbags went after him. Only one death though. Why was toNight different from all other Nights? (Sounds like the Passover question…) Was the apparent vig / serial killer blocked or just absent? ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/959 "2011-12-18T18:30:54Z")
Fuck. Thanks, **Guiri** , for being of such great service to town! Still, as town, we’re improving, losing only one instead of two during the night. I’m going to have a good hard look at the night kills to see if I can figure out what happened. Maybe a vig tried to take out a hiding Fubbles, that’d be kind of neat. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/960 "2011-12-18T18:31:11Z")
I forgot the other option – **septimus** , did you protect anyone last Night? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=49)