# Mafia: The Thrill of the Chase \[Newbie Friendly!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 20, 2011, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526 "2011-11-20T06:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1101 "2011-12-23T04:50:03Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > **Ed** , **Choie** , you seem to be working under the impression that there presently is a tie, but I don’t think there is, is there? I’m starting to doubt my own counting again. No, but fubbles commented on Mahaloth breaking the tie, and the fubbles did not break the tie himself. Choie later broke the tie, but that doesn’t change what was happening at the time. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1102 "2011-12-23T04:51:03Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > No, but fubbles commented on Mahaloth breaking the tie, and the fubbles did not break the tie himself. Choie later broke the tie, but that doesn’t change what was happening at the time. should read: “fubbles commented on Mahaloth \*\*not \*\*breaking the tie” ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1103 "2011-12-23T04:56:07Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Yes. Because I’m only one vote away from a three-way tie, and I’m the person he finds scummier than you or **Silver Jan**. So he may well be waiting it out until the last minute to see if someone votes me. with less than 24 hours until EOD he should have broken the tie and checked back in later to switch back to you if you had picked up more votes in the interim, not the other way around. > [@choie](#): > > And can I just say how very amusing it is for you to be bitching about **Mahaloth** ’s refusal to break a tie when _you yourself are doing exactly the same frikkin’ thing_? Except you’re worse, because **Mahaloth** has almost no chance of being lynched! let’s review, shall we? I view Mahaloth’s refusal to break the tie as an indication that he is scum, willing to let either of two townies get lynched on a coin toss. yet you expect me to break the tie myself by voting for the other townie? > [@special\_ed](#): > > Or, alternatively, fubbles and Mahaloth could be teammates and distancing themselves, while still allowing either to cast a “reasonable” vote for Silver Jan, I suppose. it’s interesting that you, of all people, would mention this. > [@Svejk\_1](#): > > 1. **Mahaloth** is still acting weird; in spite of the fact that I’ve asked twice if he’ll (?) explain why he’s voting **Choie** , he won’t (#1080). \*\*Fubbles \*\*is right to call him out on the fact that given his previous statements, he should be breaking the tie that existed at the time between him and **Silver Jan**. \*\*Fubbles \*\*says that Mahaloth is scum, and knows that both \*\*Fubbles \*\*and **Silver Jan** are scum, but why would scum have any problems placing his votes on a townie in accordance with previous statements to contribute to the lynching of that townie? I don’t think this logic works. it doesn’t work because you’ve somehow butchered it into all three of us being scum? > [@Svejk\_1](#): > > 1. **Fubbleskag** does not comment at all on the cases that have been made against him, which may be because he’s trying not to look defensive, but it’s still a bit weird to me. > [@fubbleskag](#): > > I’m tired of defending myself ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1104 "2011-12-23T04:57:27Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > That is interesting. I know, right? I’m having a helluva lot of fun all of a sudden, like I’m Perry Mason. > [@](#): > > Though, to be fair. it makes sense from fubble’s point of view to wait to break a tie, either in the hopes of getting Mahaloth lynched, while still able to switch to Silver Jan. And Silver Jan cannot switch to fubbles. He’s gonna have to do a much better job at aiming at **Mahaloth** if he expects three people to vote for **Mahaloth** at this late juncture. But I’m confused (gee, there’s a shocker). Why can’t **Silver Jan** switch to **fubbles**? > [@](#): > > Or, alternatively, fubbles and Mahaloth could be teammates and distancing themselves, while still allowing either to cast a “reasonable” vote for Silver Jan, I suppose. Honestly? I’ve been wondering about their strange push-me/pull-you relationship throughout this whole game. I think I called it performance art before, and that’s sorta how it feels. **Mahaloth** with his bizarre **choie** -fixation that he can’t or won’t elaborate upon, and **fubbles** with his smilie-hieroglyphics and copypasta replies. > [@Svejk\_1](#): > > 1. **Mahaloth** is still acting weird; in spite of the fact that I’ve asked twice if he’ll (?) explain why he’s voting **Choie** , he won’t (#1080). \*\*Fubbles \*\*is right to call him out on the fact that given his previous statements, he should be breaking the tie that existed at the time between him and **Silver Jan**. \*\*Fubbles \*\*says that Mahaloth is scum, and knows that both \*\*Fubbles \*\*and **Silver Jan** are scum, Town, obv. Sorry, continue! > [@](#): > > but why would scum have any problems placing his votes on a townie in accordance with previous statements to contribute to the lynching of that townie? I don’t think this logic works. Ditto. If **Mahaloth** ’s scum then I can’t see why he wouldn’t just pick a side, especially since it ain’t like **fubbles** in particular hasn’t given him cause to ponder. > [@](#): > > 1. \*\*Scathach \*\*causes another tie; miscounts the number of voters left in the game (only three, at that point, including the inactive **PCM** ) and thinks there is still time in the day when in fact EoD is drawing ever nearer and most people in the game are going to clock out for a night’s sleep. The reasoning here is weak; there is also no explanation for why she does not like the **fubbles** lynch. I can think of one, and its name is S.C.U.M. > [@](#): > > 1. **Silver Jan** I have no read on either way, which is pretty much what others say, she just does really quite little. I’m just going over her posts of the last couple of days and there’s nothing that really jumps out at me. Perhaps this is a much better scum tell than **Fubbles** ’s erratic behavior, but then again I’ve found that some of the things that **fubbles** has done actually form an obstacle to town reasoning. I feel that this is really a judgment call where experience can be quite helpful. Lacking experience, I’m going to go with what my gut tells me which is to go for the more obvious, if you will, candidate: **fubbles**. I would be voting that way too, _especially_ after his last few posts. It’s just I feel like we’re being manipulated somehow and I don’t like it at all. It’s like he’s putting a “LYNCH ME” hat on his head, an “I’M SCUM” t-shirt, and a cape that says “GUILTY MCGUILTERSON.” I feel as if he’s _daring_ us to lynch him and for the life of me I don’t get this play style at all. Luckily I tend to be up at this time of night so I’ll probably be around for a while to see if anything more develops before EOD tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1105 "2011-12-23T04:58:10Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > it doesn’t work because you’ve somehow butchered it into all three of us being scum? Obviously that was a typo on Svejk’s part. How did you miss that? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1106 "2011-12-23T04:59:14Z")
> [@choie](#): > > But I’m confused (gee, there’s a shocker). Why can’t **Silver Jan** switch to **fubbles**? She’s already voting for him. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1107 "2011-12-23T04:59:55Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > yet you expect me to break the tie myself by voting for the other townie? Dude! The whole point is, _how do you know she’s townie?!_ ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1108 "2011-12-23T05:00:56Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > She’s already voting for him. Oh! LOL, right, sorry. Heh. This thread’s moving faster than my brain cells. Not a difficult feat, I grant you. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1109 "2011-12-23T05:02:46Z")
> [@choie](#): > > But I’m confused (gee, there’s a shocker). Why can’t **Silver Jan** switch to **fubbles**? > [@Svejk\_1](#): > > Fubbleskag (3) - Švejk (994), Silver Jan (1006), Special Ed (1070) > [@choie](#): > > Ditto. If **Mahaloth** ’s scum then I can’t see why he wouldn’t just pick a side, especially since it ain’t like **fubbles** in particular hasn’t given him cause to ponder. hello! ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1110 "2011-12-23T05:04:08Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Dude! The whole point is, _how do you know she’s townie?!_ because the only reason for Mahaloth not to break a tie between a leading suspect and a non-suspect is if he’s scum, knows they’re both town, and is happy to let it come to a coin-toss. if he was happy to let you and I come down to a coin toss, it would make sense as town, but that’s not the case. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1111 "2011-12-23T05:08:16Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Ditto. If **Mahaloth** ’s scum then I can’t see why he wouldn’t just pick a side, especially since it ain’t like **fubbles** in particular hasn’t given him cause to ponder. … ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1112 "2011-12-23T05:08:59Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > 1. **Mahaloth** is still acting weird; in spite of the fact that I’ve asked twice if he’ll (?) explain why he’s voting **Choie** , he won’t (#1080). \*\*Fubbles \*\*is right to call him out on the fact that given his previous statements, he should be breaking the tie that existed at the time between him and **Silver Jan**. \*\*Fubbles \*\*says that Mahaloth is scum, \*\*and knows that both \*\*Fubbles **and Silver Jan are scum** , but why would scum have any problems placing his votes on a townie in accordance with previous statements to contribute to the lynching of that townie? I don’t think this logic works. clearly the highlighted part should read: and that **Mahaloth** knows that both \*\*Fubbles \*\*and **Silver Jan** are town. So you are saying that scum, faced with a 3-3 tie between two townies, would choose to vote for a third player? Whyever does that make sense? > [@fubbleskag](#): > > I’m tired of defending myself You posted this days ago, after you had done virtually no defending, then you went away for quite some time, come back, refuse to defend yourself, and when I call you out on that you just repost this old bit from a few days ago. Well, I guess you tire very easily. Thanks, though, for making me feel more secure about my vote for you - now I can go to bed and sleep the sleep of untroubled innocents. > [@special\_ed](#): > > No, but fubbles commented on Mahaloth breaking the tie, and the fubbles did not break the tie himself. Choie later broke the tie, but that doesn’t change what was happening at the time. Thanks for the explanation - this situation obviously pertains to the tie that existed between posts ##1072-1087 (my previous vote count erroneously lists choie’s vote as #1088) and that **Fubbles** ’s vote in #1085 left intact. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1113 "2011-12-23T05:11:01Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > because the only reason for Mahaloth not to break a tie between a leading suspect and a non-suspect is if he’s scum, knows they’re both town, and is happy to let it come to a coin-toss. if he was happy to let you and I come down to a coin toss, it would make sense as town, but that’s not the case. I’m not buying that. Nightie-night! ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1114 "2011-12-23T05:12:45Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > clearly the highlighted part should read: and that **Mahaloth** knows that both \*\*Fubbles \*\*and **Silver Jan** are town. So you are saying that scum, faced with a 3-3 tie between two townies, would choose to vote for a third player? Whyever does that make sense? A townie, faced with a tie between two players - one he suspects, and one he doesn’t - would break the tie by switching his vote to his suspect. A scum, faced with a tie between two townies, would leave his vote on his other suspect, knowing that a townie still dies, and he doesn’t even have to tarnish his vote record for it. > [@Svejk\_1](#): > > You posted this days ago, after you had done virtually no defending, then you went away for quite some time, come back, refuse to defend yourself, and when I call you out on that you just repost this old bit from a few days ago. Well, I guess you tire very easily. Thanks, though, for making me feel more secure about my vote for you - now I can go to bed and sleep the sleep of untroubled innocents. glad I could help, peach ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1115 "2011-12-23T05:14:04Z")
> [@Svejk\_1](#): > > I’m not buying that. Nightie-night! if Mahaloth is town, and you think my case against him is bullshit, it behooves you to argue as such, rather than just saying no, plugging your ears, saying la la la and going to bed ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1116 "2011-12-23T05:14:08Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > because the only reason for Mahaloth not to break a tie between a leading suspect and a non-suspect is if he’s scum, knows they’re both town, and is happy to let it come to a coin-toss. if he was happy to let you and I come down to a coin toss, it would make sense as town, but that’s not the case. If the only reason to leave a tie means the person \*\*must \*\*be Scum. Then that is exactly the behavior that Scum will avoid doing. Especially if any other action kills a Townie. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1117 "2011-12-23T05:19:29Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > because the only reason for Mahaloth not to break a tie between a leading suspect and a non-suspect is if he’s scum, knows they’re both town, and is happy to let it come to a coin-toss. if he was happy to let you and I come down to a coin toss, it would make sense as town, but that’s not the case. That’s presuming that **Mahaloth** feels there’s a major difference between **Silver Jan** and you. Again, he seems to feel so strongly about me (seems being the operative word) and the last time he was active in the thread, I had two votes to you and **Silver Jan** ’s three votes. It’s hardly out of the realm of possibility that **Mahaloth** thought more people would be swayed to the POV of his and **septimus** – aka the _only semi-confirmed Townie_ – during the last ten hours or so of the Day. Trust me, I’d be thrilled to assume **Mahaloth** ’s scum; it makes me feel better about his votes against me. Even before that, his behavior was oddly diva-ish. And yet I just don’t see his decisions and play style as any worse than yours. And **Svejk** ’s right. Until tonight you’ve done precious little defending of your weird-ass posting throughout the course of this game. If you’re lynched (assuming you don’t want to be) you can thank those round-faced, colorful little guys you rely on so much for your communicative skills. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1118 "2011-12-23T05:25:36Z")
Vote Count: Silver Jan (4): Mental Guy, Hirka T’Bawa, Scathach, choie fubbleskag (3): Silver Jan, Svejk, Special Ed choie (2): Mahaloth, Septimus Mahaloth (1): fubbleskag The day still ends at 10:00 AM Friday. Night will be extended to 10:00 AM Tuesday, Dec 27 ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1119 "2011-12-23T05:29:35Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > If the only reason to leave a tie means the person \*\*must \*\*be Scum. Then that is exactly the behavior that Scum will avoid doing. Especially if any other action kills a Townie. WIFOM, and your last sentence doesn’t even follow. > [@choie](#): > > That’s presuming that **Mahaloth** feels there’s a major difference between **Silver Jan** and you. it’s not a presumption, it’s a fact. I’m his #2 suspect, bordering on being #1, while she’s not even on his suspect list - he has not even mentioned her in a single post the entire game. > [@choie](#): > > Again, he seems to feel so strongly about me (seems being the operative word) and the last time he was active in the thread, I had two votes to you and **Silver Jan** ’s three votes. It’s hardly out of the realm of possibility that **Mahaloth** thought more people would be swayed to the POV of his and **septimus** – aka the _only semi-confirmed Townie_ – during the last ten hours or so of the Day. I already replied to this rebuttal. why are you defending him so heartily? are you the fellow scum on his list of three suspects instead of ed like I initially suspected? > [@choie](#): > > Trust me, I’d be thrilled to assume **Mahaloth** ’s scum; it makes me feel better about his votes against me. what a peculiar thing to say > [@choie](#): > > And **Svejk** ’s right. Until tonight you’ve done precious little defending of your weird-ass posting throughout the course of this game. If you’re lynched (assuming you don’t want to be) you can thank those round-faced, colorful little guys you rely on so much for your communicative skills. you can thank those round-faced colorful little guys for getting ed back into the game, and you’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1120 "2011-12-23T05:31:12Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > WIFOM, and your last sentence doesn’t even follow. Yes it does. Mahaloth could have done many thigns to break the tie, all of which would result in the death of a townie. And then avoid the actions that must be Scummy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=57)