# Mafia: The Thrill of the Chase \[Newbie Friendly!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 20, 2011, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526 "2011-11-20T06:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1121 "2011-12-23T05:40:33Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Yes it does. > Mahaloth could have done many thigns to break the tie, all of which would result in the death of a townie. And then avoid the actions that must be Scummy. still WIFOM; can you suggest a pro-town reason for Mahaloth not to switch his vote to me and break the tie? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1122 "2011-12-23T05:41:29Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > still WIFOM; can you suggest a pro-town reason for Mahaloth not to switch his vote to me and break the tie? He finds Choie more suspicious and plans on coming back before the end of the Day to heck on how things are and change his vote if needed. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1123 "2011-12-23T05:45:25Z")
Of course, it’s quite possible you are both Scum trying to distance yourselves from each other. Knowing full well that you both hold the power to “reasonably” break a tie, if still needed. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > :sigh: > > Yeah, it worked for like 10 minutes, then it went back to “waiting for reply” again. I have no idea what the connectivity issues are. > > I’m keeping my vote on fubbles, but will try to read things tonight. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > NETA: > > Make that “keep my vote on choie”, not fubbles. > [@special\_ed](#): > > tough to remember who you voted for when you’re faking it all, Scum, isn’t it? > [@fubbleskag](#): > > still WIFOM; can you suggest a pro-town reason for Mahaloth not to switch his vote to me and break the tie? ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1124 "2011-12-23T05:49:53Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > He finds Choie more suspicious and plans on coming back before the end of the Day to heck on how things are and change his vote if needed. that’s your idea of pro-town? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1125 "2011-12-23T05:51:28Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > that’s your idea of pro-town? 😃 Yeah, if he’s Town and wants choie lynched more. Maybe she’ll get some votes, and he still has tme to come back and vote for you if he can’t get his first choice lynched. Seems quite reasonable to me. Why are you expecting him to vote immediately for his second choice when there’s still time left in the Day? ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1126 "2011-12-23T05:51:37Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Of course, it’s quite possible you are both Scum trying to distance yourselves from each other. Knowing full well that you both hold the power to “reasonably” break a tie, if still needed. it’s quite possible you and Mahaloth are both scum; it’s quite possible you and Svejk are both scum; it’s quite possible you and choie are both scum; etc etc blah blah ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1127 "2011-12-23T05:53:29Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Yeah, if he’s Town and wants choie lynched more. Maybe she’ll get some votes, and he still has tme to come back and vote for you if he can’t get his first choice lynched. Seems quite reasonable to me. > > Why are you expecting him to vote immediately for his second choice when there’s still time left in the Day? his very close second choice, almost first choice; and as I said, it makes more sense for him to break the tie now and come back to check on the choie votes before EOD rather than the other way around - unless he has some ulterior motive not to break the tie. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1128 "2011-12-23T06:08:25Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > it’s not a presumption, it’s a fact. I’m his #2 suspect, bordering on being #1, while she’s not even on his suspect list - he has not even mentioned her in a single post the entire game. And if Mahaloth and Silver Jan are both scum, then he may not have mentioned her because he did not want to draw attention to her. And if he did vote to break the tie, then he would either have to bus a scum buddy or make a vote that would draw suspicion to them both. So, even if Mahaloth is scum, it is not a given that you or Silver Jan are Town. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1129 "2011-12-23T06:28:43Z")
> [@MentalGuy](#): > > And if Mahaloth and Silver Jan are both scum, then he may not have mentioned her because he did not want to draw attention to her. And if he did vote to break the tie, then he would either have to bus a scum buddy or make a vote that would draw suspicion to them both. > > So, even if Mahaloth is scum, it is not a given that you or Silver Jan are Town. if they’re both scum and he switches his vote from his #1 suspect to his #2 suspect to break a tie, how does that draw negative attention to either of them? ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1130 "2011-12-23T06:52:25Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > I already replied to this rebuttal. why are you defending him so heartily? are you the fellow scum on his list of three suspects instead of ed like I initially suspected? Oh don’t even. You’re foundering, **fubbles**. It’s almost embarrassing to watch. Your rebuttal was facile, that’s why I repeated it, and why **special ed** agrees with it. **Mahaloth** has been voting for me since Day 3, he _obviously_ finds me scummiest (or says he does, if he’s Scum). Why on _earth_ would he switch when (when he was last in the thread) there was a definite nonzero chance that others would vote for me and not just tie with you/ **Silver Jan** , but supercede the two of you. It’s a perfectly reasonable thing to do if he’s Town and genuinely thinks I’m not. Also, everyone and their dog was beating up on me this AM, the Town’s most esteemed doctor **septimus** voted against me, so he could _certainly_ have thought that my number was up. Fuck, it still could be. All it takes is you switching your vote (which it frankly wouldn’t surprise me if you did) and one more scum to add to the pot (I’m thinking **Scathach** the mostly likely to join in) and Bob’s your Uncle, I’m swinging at the end of a gibbet. As to why I’m defending him… am I defending him? It’s called being reasonable and trying to see all the sides of an issue, even when it’s promulgated by someone who mistrusts me. That’s called being Pro-Town. Look into it, because so far you’ve done almost nothing Pro-Town throughout the whole flippin’ game. I have _nothing_ to gain and everything to lose if people buy **Mahaloth** ’s crusade against me. But I want to be fair to him, just as I was toward **Silver Jan** and I’m pretty sure even you at one point, though right now I’m ready to drop the hammer on you mighty quick. > [@](#): > > what a peculiar thing to say Why on earth is it peculiar to want someone who’s voting against me to be scum? Call me crazy, but I prefer there to be an ulterior, nefarious, disingenuous reason for someone voting against me, rather than a Townie. I don’t like my teammates to think ill of me, is that really unusual? > [@](#): > > you can thank those round-faced colorful little guys for getting ed back into the game, and you’re welcome. Yeah, I think I’m beginning to see why you prefer the smilies. Stick with 'em, I think they’re better advocates for you than your words are. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1131 "2011-12-23T06:52:27Z")
Oh gosh, I hate being the lynch leader so late in the day! I have reason to believe that choie is the SK. Everyone must have noticed that there was only one NK the night that **guiri** died and I believe that happened because I blocked **choie** , yes, this is a claim. If you look back over her posts she was rather adamant that there wasn’t a Vig, she kept wanting **Septimus** to protect someone else other than himself, she doesn’t think that\*\* Precam \*\*could be the Vig. On night 1 I blocked **Svejk** , just because of his random vote for me and on N2 I blocked **Special Ed** because of his new playing style. I no longer think there is a Vig and I am pretty sure\*\* choie\*\* is the SK, unless she is the Vig and not the SK. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1132 "2011-12-23T06:59:40Z")
Heh. Well played, **Silver Jan**. Nice try. Wow, I’ve never been the recipient of a false claim before, that’s quite impressive. At least it would be if it came from someone with a modicum of credibility. **Silver Jan** is definitely scum. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1133 "2011-12-23T07:08:58Z")
**Silver Jan** is sooooo certain I’m scum or the SK that she’s spent the entire round voting for me. Except she totally didn’t. This alleged – what, roleblocker, I guess? – who knows for a fact that I must be an evildoer voted for… **fubbleskag**. Yep, totally credible. And her rationale for allegedly blocking the others on other nights is just as credible. (Actually, now that I think about it, coming from **Silver Jan** , it kinda is. As I said before, she lives and dies by the OMGUS. And look what she’s doing now! I vote for her and BANG! she’s off and running with this hastily scrawled B.S. claim against me.) ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1134 "2011-12-23T07:29:12Z")
> [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > Oh gosh, I hate being the lynch leader so late in the day! I have reason to believe that choie is the SK. Everyone must have noticed that there was only one NK the night that **guiri** died and I believe that happened because I blocked **choie** , yes, this is a claim. If you look back over her posts she was rather adamant that there wasn’t a Vig, she kept wanting **Septimus** to protect someone else other than himself, she doesn’t think that\*\* Precam \*\*could be the Vig. On night 1 I blocked **Svejk** , just because of his random vote for me and on N2 I blocked **Special Ed** because of his new playing style. > > I no longer think there is a Vig and I am pretty sure\*\* choie\*\* is the SK, unless she is the Vig and not the SK. post your PM, please 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1135 "2011-12-23T07:31:39Z")
> [@choie](#): > > **Silver Jan** is sooooo certain I’m scum or the SK that she’s spent the entire round voting for me. Except she totally didn’t. This alleged – what, roleblocker, I guess? – who knows for a fact that I must be an evildoer voted for… **fubbleskag**. Yep, totally credible. > > And her rationale for allegedly blocking the others on other nights is just as credible. > > (Actually, now that I think about it, coming from **Silver Jan** , it kinda is. As I said before, she lives and dies by the OMGUS. And look what she’s doing now! I vote for her and BANG! she’s off and running with this hastily scrawled B.S. claim against me.) Do know what **choie** I am getting rather tired of these personal attacks. You might not mean them as such but that’s how they come across. What, no defense against what I posted just trashing me?? I think you wanted the doc to protect someone else just so that you knew who to get rid of at Night. You want the night extended over Christmas, why? To make sure you get your NK in? If you want me to vote for you I certainly will. **Unvote Fubbleskag** **Vote choie** If you want to look as this as an OMGUS vote, that’s ok too. ---
**Author:** ![Silver\_Jan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90ced4/32.png) [@Silver\_Jan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silver_Jan)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1136 "2011-12-23T07:32:53Z")
> [@fubbleskag](#): > > post your PM, please 😃 I do hope you are joking, I would probably be lynched for doing that even if for no other reason 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1137 "2011-12-23T07:36:00Z")
**choie** , your response does strike me as a bit defensive, especially considering this (bolding mine): > [@Silver\_Jan](#): > > I no longer think there is a Vig and I am pretty sure\*\* choie\*\* is the SK, **unless she is the Vig and not the SK**. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1138 "2011-12-23T08:02:13Z")
Oh, **fubbles** , of course you’re likely on her team, you have to say that. I must tip my hat off to you guys, this was all very well orchestrated by the lot of you, perfectly timed for after most people are sleeping, so they’ll wake up with two hours left until Dusk and immediately vote against me and save both **fubbles** and **Jan** from the gallows. And I guess this proves **septimus** ’s 24-hour rule re: claiming does indeed make sense after all! Ha, serves me right! Looks like I will feel that scratchy rope around my neck soon, so I’ll have to claim more quickly than I’d preferred.) Anyway, do you really buy that “oh maybe **choie** ’s a vig” line? Seriously? It’s just a little sop so that she seems believable as an objective Townie, as if she has an open mind. Most of us already suspect there’s no vig, but rather, an SK. But here she is, trotting out that notion to bolster her facade, a bit of a vigorish (pardon the pun) to make it seem as if she’s not lying her _tuchas_ off. **Silver Jan** , saying that you OMGUS as a way of life is hardly a personal attack. It’s what you’ve done in both games I’ve played with you. Heck, you even use OMGUS as a reason to block **Svejk** in your lie! Calling you on your lies isn’t personal either; the truth is always a defense against libel. And now of course she won’t post her PM, even though she’s already claimed to be a roleblocker, so what’s stopping her from posting it? Did **Trepa** not give the scum team fake PMs to use? If not, surely your scumbuddies could come up with something convincing, no? ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1139 "2011-12-23T08:22:16Z")
settle down, chicken little. I’ve not moved my vote and she’s still the lynch leader. lol ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1140 "2011-12-23T08:24:10Z")
That’s actually more prescient than you know – my design company is “Falling Sky” and has a little chicken as a logo. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=58)