# Mafia: The Thrill of the Chase \[Newbie Friendly!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 20, 2011, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526 "2011-11-20T06:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 63
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1241 "2011-12-27T04:03:43Z")
Frankly the whole lot of you are acting scummy by not trying to help the only person who can actually _do_ something to prevent malfeasance from the Scum team. **septimus** has presumably packed up his doctor bag filled with snake oil and vanished on the heels of a medical board investigation into whether he’s practicing medicine without a license. Meanwhile, it’s quite possible, if not probable, that this is my last Night, and it would behoove Town to stop acting like prima donnas and post _your_ thoughts on other people rather than this constant defensive bushwah. **Scathach** , I called your initial response self-defense because the only comments you made to my post involved yourself. Now, the subsequent response was much better, albeit still not offering much consideration outside of saying “leaning \_\_\_\_” or whatnot. I know we’re all tired of this back and forth, but welcome to the game of Mafia, folks. This is what happens, and you have to repeat yourself because positions _change_ over the course of the game, and the circumstances have _certainly_ changed since the last Night. **Svejk** , I don’t have to worry about my voting record because I know what I am. (And seriously, you’re still doubting me?! Though I counter-claimed **Jan** and pointed the way back through my breadcrumbs? Ridiculous!) For me, looking at the votes was extremely helpful in my first game–helped me correctly identify three or four individuals’ alginments–so while I’m certainly not using these votes as my only rationale for believing who’s scum and who isn’t, you’re darned right I’m gonna use 'em as a metric. I _literally_ have no idea why it bothers you so damn much that I felt alone in my **septimus** doubting of Thursday. _No one_ agreed with my thoughts then, and even **Hirka** (who had voted **septimus** ) now says that he now believes **septimus** ’s claim 100%. So I’m not trying to play a martyr card, especially since in all likelihood I’m wrong anyway so it’s not like I’m in a praiseworthy position. I’m just accurately stating that my suspicion of him isn’t exactly a widely held belief. Frankly if you were more Townie you’d be assisting by sharing your thoughts on everyone rather than making yet another defense. Jesus. I’ve been waiting in vain to hear everyone’s thoughts since yesterDay’s results, and while **Scathach** has at least offered her “leans scum” and “leans town” one- or two-line thoughts, none of the rest of you have. **fluiddruid**? **fubbleskag**? **Hirka**? **special ed**? **septimus** (PBUH)? WHERE ARE YOU for og’s sake?! Nowhere, that’s where. So all y’all can have yourselves to thank when either **septimus** , I, or both of us are dead in the morning without any further ways of getting you any info. Of course if you’re scum, you’d be happy with that, wouldn’t you? Yes, this is **choie** having a hissy, because this is the second darn game where I’ve been in a decisive position and I am _so not prepared for it_. ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1242 "2011-12-27T05:43:47Z")
You doubt me, why should I not doubt you? Nothing is certain. I actually think that you are the most town person in the game right now, and I’ve staunchly defended you yesterDay, so that should give you some indication. But just like you find my town-playing suspicious, the paranoid part of my brain suspects that you’re almost _too_ townie. The same goes for **Septimus** - you say that ‘… no one else has any suspicions on the guy but me’ but I don’t think that’s true at all; I for one am far from convinced that his claim is legit, and I think most sensible players in this game are with me. It probably does not really matter, but I find it odd that to you it seems that you are Judas and he is Jesus and we are all his disciples. I don’t think it really matters, but I think your understanding of how other players view him is off, and it’s better if that is corrected. As for not helping you - I explained my reasons for not giving direct advice or even instructions, and I think it’s a pretty solid position. Helping you is helping scum. Given what the situation is, you’ll have to follow your own gut; the clearer it becomes what you are going to do, the less use it is. I understand this may be frustrating, but I don’t think I’m the right person to which to address your misgivings about not sharing points of view. I’ve made it abundantly clear throughout D4 who I’ve found suspicious and why; I have also contributed lots of analytical work, like that post where I did an overview of all the votes so far and that other post where I did a chronological overview of the **Gnarly** lynch. So really, when you complain that I, out of all the players in this game, am not being supportive, you are barking up the wrong tree. That said, I understand where you are coming from and why you might be frustrated. I think being vanilla townie is just fine for my first game as well as the next couple of games, so you’re really being thrown into the deep end. Still, there’s really no good way for us to help you, as far as I can tell, without helping scum. Yes, there is a chance you might be dead in the Morning - but how can anyone other than maybe Septimus prevent that? And if we all end up telling Septimus to protect you, then scum will know what he’s doing. It’s best that you and Septimus leave them in the dark. Similarly, if we all tell you that it’s best if you block X player, then scum will just know not to use X player; especially if you think that player is on a team, this is a distinct possibility. I realize that my reluctance in giving clear pointed advice is annoying to you because it makes you do more work - but remember that it also makes scum do more work. That’s why I don’t think you’re right in saying that my tactic looks scummy necessarily. All of this also means that, since I’m leaving this in your hands, I can’t go and blame you later. I think you are doing a great job and I genuinely mean it when I say that I picked up on some of your bread crumbs, so you must be doing something right 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/db5fbb/32.png) [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1243 "2011-12-27T07:38:55Z")
> [@choie](#): > > It _would_ be helpful if everyone gave a bit of a rundown on each remaining player – there ain’t that many of us left. We have (likely) two scums left and one SK (or if you’re the type who believes in fairies, a Vig). Night is almost over, and I’ve been drinking, so probably won’t be awake for dawn… So just in case I’m the scum’s target, let me get my thoughts down for the rest of the townies to see, if and when I flip town. > [@](#): > > 1. **choie** - Town (hopefully confirmed but I’m sure someone will disagree) I believe you, you’re as much confirmed as **septimus** to me. so, 95% most likely town.. If you’re scum, then the scum played a hard gambit, and I have to congratulate them. > [@](#): > > 1. **fluiddruid** - leaning scum on her, primarily due to her inactivity (not voting 2 out of 4 Days?) She’s been nearly a non-entity in the game. She could be hiding something, or she could just be super-busy. I hate to agree on this one, at first I was leaning town on her, but thinking back, her 5th vote on **Gnarly** could have been scum knowing they lost, and hoping for some town cred. I don’t know. So my thoughts are neutral to scum. > [@](#): > > 1. **fubbleskag** - oh who the hell knows. His moves have been staggeringly anti-Town, not helpful in any way at all IMHO, and I dislike his hypocritical decision not to vote for either of the top two votegetters on D3 after spending time bitching at **Mahaloth** for doing the same thing (only when _he_ was one of top 2). And actually, looking back, he did the same thing in the **Inner Stickler** v. **Scathach** battle royale; instead of picking between the top votegetters, he went for… **septimus** (worse – he voted, then unvoted, then _re_voted **septimus** ). It’s like he wants to be lynched. Strong lean scum (or quite amazingly suicidal Townie). I don’t know what to think about **Fubbles** ’s, he seems too easy of a lynch to be scum. I’m really thinking some sort of 3rd party that wants lynching, someone who has never played scum and doesn’t know what to do, or just a crazy townie… Or, it is possible he’s the SK, and Silver Jan blocked him last night, and he was looking for a scapegoat, and has been playing like his is hoping to be thought of as too scummy to actually be scum and hopes to last to the end of game… Basically, I don’t know… > [@](#): > > 1. **Hirka T’Bawa** - Straight down the middle. Either is a scum with s a case of PIS or is a very good townie, as his vote record – except for the first day when he didn’t vote – is mighty good. (D2 he voted for **Scathach** , D3 for **gnarlycharlie** , and D4 for **Silver Jan**.) I know he’s town, 100%. There is no doubt in my mind. I will say, for once I’m correct on two scum, and I get pinged for it. There is really no winning in this game is there? > [@](#): > > 1. **Mahaloth** - Well, this is a hard one for me, since he’s been so wrong on me for two Days now. Also, his votes were never well explained, he’s been missing in the discussion (perhaps due to tech issues, to be fair), and then there was his strange catfight with **fubbleskag** and near flouncing out in a huff… It’s hard to believe that a scum would be this obvious. Or is it? To me, **Mahaloth** is as townie as anyone, and I don’t have any doubts about him I will not vote for him unless a REALLY good case comes up. While his play has been iffy, I really don’t see anything leading to being scum. He hasn’t been playing under the radar, and has spoken out… Even if he hasn’t been around due to technical difficulties. > [@](#): > > 1. **Mental Guy** - Aside from his first Day vote for **fisha** , I can’t disagree with his voting record. I appreciated his last-minute vote for me, but that could’ve been a decision to bus **Silver Jan** considering her claim was _very_ thin and mine was solid with a side order of breadcrumbs. Many have accused him of being wishy-washy, but as I’ve said, that’s his style; he likes to hedge his bets a bit. So do I, so I can hardly denigrate a man for playing the same way I do. Slight lean town. Really strong town lean. Just like **Mahaloth** , **Mental** has been townie to me. He voted first for **Silver Jan** (after I put her on my main subject list I might add), and refused to change votes even with the end of day claims. I really believe him to be town. > [@](#): > > 1. **Precambrianmollusc** - well, we just don’t know. I had been leaning scum on him (figuring that he might’ve been active in the scum board) but he hasn’t even been on the SDMB since Dec 12. Hopefully he’s okay. I will say one thing for **fubbles** , though; he does make a decent case for PCM being the serial killer, considering his lack of activity dates before N3, which I shall yclept as the _Night of the Lone Death._ That’d really cause problems, since unless he’s mod-killed we won’t know if he’s the SK or not. ARGH. Still… assuming nothing awful’s happened to him, it seems weird that someone with this type of role wouldn’t be active in the game. No comment, we’ll find out when he is Mod Killed in a few hours. > [@](#): > > 1. **Scathach** - Well. As you know, until **Silver Jan** flipped as a scum roleblocker I was dead certain **Scathach** was the SK, since I’d blocked her and there was no second night kill. Now there are two other explanation for the lack of night kill: **Silver Jan** blocked the SK’s kill, or **PCM** is the SK after all. So I need to take the SK role out of the equation. How’s her voting been? She didn’t vote D1, was the first to vote **Inner** on D2, was _again_ the first to vote **gnarly** on D3, then bounced from **special ed** to me in order to create a tie, and then quickly backed off when called on this scumminess to unvote me without re-voting anyone else. All in all not a record that fills me with confidence. Plus she was one of the **Inner Stickler** Four. (See more below under **Svejk**.) Leaning scum overall. But I can’t help but admit that I’ve so long considered her the SK that this could be a residual suspicion. I don’t know, she might be scum, she might not be… Or… You might have roll blocked her last night, and she is the SK… I have no clue… I’ll be looking at her more closely in a few hours when dawn breaks. > [@](#): > > 1. **septimus** - The doctor presumptive. Hasn’t done anything hugely Townie IMHO, and he hasn’t been killed yet, which could prove him right (he’s protecting himself) or simply that he’s scum who naturally is not getting attacked at Night at all. His voting record’s not bad, except for the vote on me. But if he’s Town and thought I was targeting him out of scumminess, that vote makes sense, especially as he wasn’t around at EOD to see the spectacle. Also, no one else has any suspicions on the guy but me, so I’ll have to go with the majority: Town. I suppose. (But don’t blame me if he flips Scum!) I do need to correct myself from before… I don’t believe his claim 100%, I believe it 95%… About as much as I believe yours **Choie** … For now I’m willing to accept it, however, if it comes down to the end, he hasn’t proven himself, I might vote for him just in case he is the last scum. > [@](#): > > 1. **special ed** - voting record: D1 - me, D2 - **fubbleskag** , D3 - **gnarly** and D4 - **fubbleskag**. All in all a pretty good record, since **fubbles** is a perfectly legitimate lynching target the way he’s been playing. I ignore the D1 vote on me because what the hell, it’s D1. People are harping on his different play style, but I don’t really notice much difference between this and **De’endee** **special ed**. He wasn’t around at EOD yesterDay so I don’t know how he’d’ve chosen, if he’d have switched at all. All in all, leaning Town. I think **special ed** is town mainly for the 3rd day lynch, if he didn’t tie up **Gnarly** , I would never have voted for him, and he wouldn’t have been lynched. If Special was scum, he could have voted for my candidate **Svejik** , and I would have been happy to keep my vote where it was, or vote for the other candidate, who I believe to be town, **Mahaloth** … Instead, he voted for who he thought was scummiest, **Gnarly** , who ended up being scum… I couldn’t stand a tie, so agreed with the vote (since I had some slight pings anyhow). I would never have voted **Gnarly** if not for **special ed** , and if he was scum, I doubt we would have had a scum lynch on Day 3. > [@](#): > > 1. **Svejk** - Well. All along I’ve been looking at the infamous D2 vote on **Inner**. There were four of us who voted for him. Two of us ( **Guiri** and I) are known Town. I just find it hard to believe that _no_ scum voted for him. So that leaves **Scathach** or **Svejk**. Again, I don’t know what to think about him, however, he is leaning more townie then scum to me. I have more suspicion on **Scathach** right now, and would say if **scathach** ever flips scum, I’ll look at **Svejk** more closely. But for now, he’s been scum hunting like I would expect a good townie to do. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt… So… Of the remaining players, I think the most likely scum is in the 1. PCM 2. Fluiddruid 3. Fubbles 4. Scathach and/or Svejk (leaning more towards Scathach) Since I expect PCM to be mod killed by end of night, that leaves tomorrow between those three (or four) players. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1244 "2011-12-27T14:31:55Z")
Well, my company has finally left so that frees me up a bit, but I am still going to be rather busy for the next couple of days. I agree with almost all of Hirka’s post except I find Mahaloth much more suspicious than he does. choie, I agree with Svejk that it is better for you to decide your actions on your own. You would have to get lucky to block the right player anyway and I am not going to get upset if you wind up blocking someone that does not have an action or is a Town player. You may want to just pick randomly from your list of possible scum. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1245 "2011-12-27T15:23:59Z")
I think that’s fair, **Mental Guy** , **Hirka** and **Svejk** , and I’m sorry if I got testy–it’s just I’m finding myself making a bit of an, um, odd choice and I’m uncertain if it’s the right one. Basically I just wanted to gather people’s thoughts, the group’s zeitgeist as it were, so I could get some general idea of where people’s thoughts lie after the events of EOD yesterDay. Let’s just say that I was hoping everyone’s comments, even those I don’t fully trust, would give me some direction. One problem with that strategy: most players have gone AWOL after EOD. Christmas has wreaked havoc on our poor game, alas. 😃 Knowing what I know now, and having reread the entire thread (yep, believe it or not!) I’ve made my move. Expecting others to make the choice for me wasn’t fair or likely, considering so many are observing radio silence. Down-to-the-wire decisions like this don’t come easily for me, which is why I’ve been waffling so much (as folks who played **De’endee** with me will surely recall!). Still, now that I’ve made my choice, I – or rather, you guys – will have to live with the consequences. Crappy though they may be, heh. Anyway, if this is my last post in the game, I hope y’all will look back on my posts and get _something_ useful out of them. (Townies, that is – any of you scumbags can suck eggs.) However this game plays out, I tried my best, and I’m sorry if I’ve made the wrong move in my final act–I just wish I could get you a message from beyond the grave so you’d know whom I went after, just in case it matters. Ah well, all in all, it’s been fun, so long and thanks for all the fish. (Criminies, how maudlin can you get, I’m not even definitely dead yet! :rolleyes:) Hopefully I’ll be here come Dawn, but if not… adieu. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1246 "2011-12-27T17:08:54Z")
Sprinkle sprinkle sprinkle Christmas. That happened. 🙂 Sadly, all was not well in this tiny little community of fast-acting drama. Yet another dead body had been added to the heap sometime during the long night, this one being **MentalGuy**. What’s more, PCM seemed to have disappeared entirely, requiring the townsfolk to seal off his abode, as they couldn’t enter it to figure out who exactly he was. I bet it was cool! Or maybe not. PCM always was a mysterious one. **MentalGuy (Vanilla Town) is dead** **PreCambrianMollusk has been modkilled.** Day 5 ends at 10:00 AM MST on Sunday, January 1st (assuming that’s okay with everyone). GASP! Most shocking twist yet!.. MentalGuy was not alone on the body pile after all! While it appeared he had been put on the top, it appears that he had done the whole–“Shield with a body/final embrace”–jump on a grenade? thing. Except, apparently, it hadn’t worked except to hide the evidence. For in fact he died along with **fubbleskag** , who had been with him when he died. **fubbleskag, the Hooker with a Heart of Gold (Town Hider), is also dead.** ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1247 "2011-12-27T17:12:24Z")
Player List: Alive: 1. Mahaloth (m) 2. Scathach (f) 3. Hirka T’Bawa (m) 4. septimus (m) 5. choie (f) 6. special ed (m) 7. Silver Jan (f) 8. Svejk (m) 9. fluiddruid (f) Dead: **Inner Stickler (m) (Vanilla Town)** **Astral Rejection (m) (Vanilla Town)** **gregorio (m) (Town Cop)** **orcenio (m) (Vanilla Town)** \*\* wevets (m) (Town Bodyguard)\*\* **fisha (f) (Vanilla Town)** **gnarlycharlie (m) (Scum Goon)** **GuiriEnEspana (m) (Vanilla Town)** **MentalGuy (m) (Vanilla Town)** **fubbleskag (m) (Town Hider)** **precambrianmollusc (m)** ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1248 "2011-12-27T17:21:24Z")
That’s some particularly bad luck… Choie, who did you block? Can you tell us any more about Scathach? ---
**Author:** ![Svejk\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@Svejk\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Svejk_1)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1249 "2011-12-27T17:25:54Z")
Trepa, Silver Jan is dead, and scum; we lynched her yesterDay. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1250 "2011-12-27T17:28:06Z")
ARGH. What the hell?! **Trepa, you forgot Silver Jan in your list of the deadl** Doesn’t seem fair that we don’t know what PCM’s alignment was. As one could tell from my genius post above with its super secret message, I blocked **Scathach**. Go me. :rolleyes: So it looks like she’s clean. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1251 "2011-12-27T17:33:20Z")
Yipe didn’t mean to use that shade of green, sorry **Trepa**! I should have said that **Scathach** isn’t a power role, btw, rather than “clean.” She could still be vanilla scum. Also, how the heck did both **septimus** and I evade the chopper?! **septimus** , if you’re around, did you protect me? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1252 "2011-12-27T17:35:36Z")
> [@choie](#): > > ARGH. What the hell?! > > **Trepa, you forgot Silver Jan in your list of the deadl** > > Doesn’t seem fair that we don’t know what PCM’s alignment was. > > As one could tell from my genius post above with its super secret message, I blocked **Scathach**. Go me. :rolleyes: So it looks like she’s clean. Well, not really. (Even though I am :)) Fubbles seems to have died because he was hiding behind Mental Guy. So there was still only 1 night kill. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1253 "2011-12-27T17:47:21Z")
ACTUAL TRUE Player List: Alive: 1. Mahaloth (m) 2. Scathach (f) 3. Hirka T’Bawa (m) 4. septimus (m) 5. choie (f) 6. special ed (m) 7. Svejk (m) 8. fluiddruid (f) Dead: **Inner Stickler (m) (Vanilla Town)** **Astral Rejection (m) (Vanilla Town)** **gregorio (m) (Town Cop)** **orcenio (m) (Vanilla Town)** \*\* wevets (m) (Town Bodyguard)\*\* **fisha (f) (Vanilla Town)** **gnarlycharlie (m) (Scum Goon)** **GuiriEnEspana (m) (Vanilla Town)** **Silver Jan (f) (Scum Roleblocker)** **MentalGuy (m) (Vanilla Town)** **fubbleskag (m) (Town Hider)** **precambrianmollusc (m)** > [@choie](#): > > ARGH. What the hell?! > > **Trepa, you forgot Silver Jan in your list of the deadl** > > Doesn’t seem fair that we don’t know what PCM’s alignment was. > > As one could tell from my genius post above with its super secret message, I blocked **Scathach**. Go me. :rolleyes: So it looks like she’s clean. Woop, sorry. I blame the edit window. And sloppiness. ---
**Author:** ![fubbleskag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fubbleskag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fubbleskag)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1254 "2011-12-27T17:52:43Z")
I told you guys I’m just horrible at this game. good luck! ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1255 "2011-12-27T17:52:51Z")
OH. I forgot **fubbles** ’s hiding gimmick. Another reason that the **Hider** is a spectacularly bad role for Town. Hmm, that was either spectacularly honest of you, **Scathach** , or you really are Town. So what are our choices here, people? - **PCM** was the SK and didn’t act because he’s been mod-killed - **Scathach** is the SK and was blocked by me - **Scathach** isn’t the SK but is scum and designated to perform the night kill and was blocked by me, while the SK aimed at **Mental Guy** / **fubbles** - Someone else is the SK, but the SK went after **septimus** , who self-protected - Some other permutation of the above that I’m forgetting. We don’t even know if **fubbles** and **Mental Guy** were killed by scum or the SK. But we do know whoever the killer was, aimed at **Mental Guy** rather than **fubbles**. Why? Why isn’t **septimus** dead? Why am I not dead? God, I bet the scum are so convinced of my uselessness that they figure I’m no threat. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1256 "2011-12-27T17:58:31Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Very true. He hasn’t once explained fully his anti-me stance. The part of me that’s petty wants not only an explanation but also an apology, but that’s stupid and not how the game works. I just have to get more callused and accept negative votes are all part of the process. I have not been anti-you and I don’t want any hurt feelings. I apologize if anything in my tone has offended you. I honestly was thinking you were playing scummy. Please don’t think I’m in any way a hard-to-get-along with player even in the least. I haven’t been in this game and do not have that reputation at all, despite fubble(who refused to cite his claim) making that claim. I am off work this week and next, so I should have access to the internet and the Dope. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1257 "2011-12-27T17:59:42Z")
Another possibility: Someone (whichever faction didn’t kill **Mental Guy** / **fubbles** ) tried to kill me but failed because **septimus** protected me. I don’t understand why we’re both alive though. Why would (either scum or the SK) choose to kill **Mental Guy** (getting **fubbles** as a freebie) rather than either **septimus** or me? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1258 "2011-12-27T18:00:21Z")
\*\*Trepa - is there a reason we’re not getting a role reveal for PCM? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1259 "2011-12-27T18:01:55Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > \*\*Trepa - is there a reason we’re not getting a role reveal for PCM? \*\* Probably due to being mod-killed. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1260 "2011-12-27T18:03:51Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I have not been anti-you and I don’t want any hurt feelings. I apologize if anything in my tone has offended you. I honestly was thinking you were playing scummy. Please don’t think I’m in any way a hard-to-get-along with player even in the least. I haven’t been in this game and do not have that reputation at all, despite fubble(who refused to cite his claim) making that claim. > > I am off work this week and next, so I should have access to the internet and the Dope. Aw that’s okay, **Mahaloth**. I really meant that I wanted to know why you were “anti-me” as in _why_ you thought I was scummy, not that you were anti-me in a personal sense. 🙂 You really haven’t been explaining your votes all that much, at least I didn’t think so. But I appreciate your comments nonetheless. And congrats on the long vacation, btw. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=62) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=64)