# Mafia: The Thrill of the Chase \[Newbie Friendly!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 20, 2011, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526 "2011-11-20T06:04:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1341 "2012-01-05T01:46:29Z")
don’t be daft. Ask Trepa the same questions I did and see if you don’t get the same answers! Then you can trust my answers. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1342 "2012-01-05T01:58:10Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > My Protectees have been: N1 - guiri, N2 - self, N3 - self, N4 - self, N5 -hirka. With two Kills Night 1, it seemed Scum had not targeted guiri and I formed an hypothesis that guiri might be Scum. N4 I considered Protecting you, but your role seemed relatively useless compared with Doc so I self-protected. Hm. Of course now that Town knows that Team Scum act as a group and their kills can’t be blocked by a roleblocker (at least if **special ed** can be trusted – I promise I’ll PM **Trepa** myself to confirm this) then I agree, my role is basically pointless. However, until **special ed** asked **Trepa** , I, for one, was acting on the assumption that I could block either the SK and any scum who was nominated to act on behalf of Team Scum. Isn’t that usually the way things work? So a roleblocker who wasn’t acting with one hand tied behind her back would’ve been pretty use_ful_. At least as useful as a self-protecting doctor. Unless of course you already knew that Team Scum weren’t nominating one person to perform kills – knowledge you’d only have if you were, y’know, on Team Scum yourself. > [@septimus](#): > > If I were Scum, I’d be sure to NK guiri Night 1 or 2 (unless BillMc was also playing). Clear to me, anyway. So early on you protected **Guiri** because you thought he was valuable to Town, but later on, after he’d become even more valuable and more of a target, you decided not to protect him because you thought he was probably Scum. Does this sound off to anyone else? > [@septimus](#): > > We can also assume that, if Scum have to nominate a Killer, ed wasn’t the nominated Killer last Night. With only 1 or 2 Scum left, there’s a fair chance you’ll implicitly detect the Killer toNight, by stopping a Lynch. Guess well, **choie** , and Town wins even with misLynch toDay. Did you miss **special ed** ’s post where he asked **Trepa** whether Scum perform the kills as a group or via a nominated killer, and **Trepa** confirmed that nope, they act as a group? Or do you disagree with him/disbelieve him for some reason? /off to PM **Trepa** … ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1343 "2012-01-05T02:07:04Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > don’t be daft. > > Ask Trepa the same questions I did and see if you don’t get the same answers! Then you can trust my answers. We simulposted (well, at least I was busy composing my epic post while you posted your quickie) but I basically said the same thing. I can’t imagine you’d like about this – it’d be suicidal considering it’s so easy to ask **Trepa** ourselves. I’ve just PMed him so whenever I get a reply I’ll post it. Of course you and I could both be on Team Scum, so a third party should really do so as well. (I cannot imagine there are three scumfolk left.) ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1344 "2012-01-05T02:43:00Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > **Do Scum designate a killer for their NK or is it a group kill with no one doing the actual action?** They kill as a group. > [@special\_ed](#): > > \*\* > If 2 people attempt to kill a protected person, will that person be protected from both kills?\*\* Yes. Everyone who’s PMed me with those questions, consider those answers to your PMs. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1345 "2012-01-05T02:50:56Z")
Yay! Well, not really “yay,” because at least one of those is a disappointing answer for my purposes (#1, that is), but “yay” in that it’s good to get confirmation of something. Thanks for responding, **Trepa**. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1346 "2012-01-05T10:41:08Z")
Could someone actually enunciate a reason why I keep getting lumped in as possible scum? So far it seems to boil down to “voted for Inner”? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1347 "2012-01-05T12:01:20Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > Could someone actually enunciate a reason why I keep getting lumped in as possible scum? > > So far it seems to boil down to “voted for Inner”? **choie** thinks you _or_ Svejk is Scum, based partly on Inner vote, but seemed to find Svejk more suspicious than you. I think you _or_ Mahaloth is Scum, based on Godfather assumption, but still find Mahaloth more suspicious than you. Thus you become the default 2nd-choice compromise candidate. :smack: I agree it sucks. Which of Svejk or Mahaloth do you find Scummier, **scathach**? You’d get more sympathy by finding scum than by pleading innocence. If instead you prefer to debate your own Scummitude, I’ve prepared a text file with quotes from you, but haven’t yet seen any blatant scum slips, so haven’t bothered to post. (Perhaps you could help by posting links to your scummiest posts. 😃 ) While a convincing case against one of the “unknowns” might sway me, for tactical reasons, as I outlined before, Lynching you or mahaloth seems the best first step – otherwise we’ll almost certainly be at Lynch-or-Lose toMorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1348 "2012-01-05T12:47:54Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > **choie** thinks you _or_ Svejk is Scum, based partly on Inner vote, but seemed to find Svejk more suspicious than you. > > I think you _or_ Mahaloth is Scum, based on Godfather assumption, but still find Mahaloth more suspicious than you. > > Thus you become the default 2nd-choice compromise candidate. :smack: I agree it sucks. > > Which of Svejk or Mahaloth do you find Scummier, **scathach**? You’d get more sympathy by finding scum than by pleading innocence. If instead you prefer to debate your own Scummitude, I’ve prepared a text file with quotes from you, but haven’t yet seen any blatant scum slips, so haven’t bothered to post. (Perhaps you could help by posting links to your scummiest posts. 😃 ) > > While a convincing case against one of the “unknowns” might sway me, for tactical reasons, as I outlined before, Lynching you or mahaloth seems the best first step – otherwise we’ll almost certainly be at Lynch-or-Lose toMorrow. It’s mainly annoying because I seem to be suspicious by default. Like everyone remembers I was a lynch candidate a while back and so I remain vaguely tarred with the scum brush. I mean, if people found me dithering between Silver Jan and choie scummy when Silver Jan got lynched that’s one thing, it’s understandable, but most of the cases on me are based on things I have no control of, like Svejk switching vote, or choie blocking me on a night where there was only one kill. It’s just irritating is all.:mad: Anyway, I don’t think anyone’s actually voting me so that’s just me moaning and mainly irrelevant. I find Mahaloth scummier than Svejk because Svejk’s vote switch doesn’t make sense to me if he’s scum, since Inner was town and I know I was town. Obviously that’s logic no one else can use since it’s predicated on me being town, but there you go. My favoured lynch candidates would be 1. Septimus 2. special ed 3. Mahaloth more or less in that order. septimus: The doc claim is seeming less and less plausible, especially given the lack of protection on Hirka last night (I know you say you did, but Hirka’s still dead). Hirka had made an excellent point that given scum had a roleblocker, why not NK you as a claimed powerrole? Fluiddruid also made quite a good case on you. I don’t like your speculation that scum killed Hirka because he’d investigated the Godfather because it assumes that there is a Godfather, casts a shadow over his investigations to date and ignores the much more likely possibility that they killled him to stop him finding scum. special ed: I’ve made my case on him before. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14584860&postcount=1007](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14584860&postcount=1007) Mahaloth: Really this is just by process of elimination. And to put my money where my mouth is \*\* vote septimus \*\* ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1349 "2012-01-05T13:04:01Z")
> [@Scathach](#): > > special ed: I’ve made my case on him before. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14584860&postcount=1007](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14584860&postcount=1007) Here’s your comment on me in that post: > [@](#): > > Special Ed: > D1: Voted choie. Was voted by Svejk > D2. Voted fubbleskag. Was voted by gnarlycharlie > d3. Voted gnarlycharlie, was voted by Svejk > > His day 2 is a little suspicous. Fubbleskag is an easy person to vote because he’s one of the more controversial players what with voting himself, claiming hider and voting no lynch on the first day. I think it’s easy for scum to throw a vote away on him that’s hard to argue with and relatively safe. > Looking at post numbers, gnarlycharlie seems to have voted him almost as a throwaway vote. There was no likelihood of special ed being lynched. So gnarly could have voted him to distance themselves with relatively low risk. It boils down to the fact that a Scum voted for me, and that I voted for fubbleskag. However, I think there are errors in your assessment of my vote for fubbleskag: 1. I do not think he had yet claimed hider, as that occurred on day 3, didn’t it? 2. I also do not think he voted for himself until Day 3. What is interesting is that I didn’t vote for him after those thigns occurred, you did. (The vote count is right in your post). Though, granted it occurred before those 2 events happened also. So why to you attribute my vote to those 2 easy things that occurred a Day after my vote? Did you think I had some premonition that fubbleskag was going to vote for himself and/or that he was going to claim hider? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1350 "2012-01-05T13:16:36Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Here’s your comment on me in that post: > > It boils down to the fact that a Scum voted for me, and that I voted for fubbleskag. > > However, I think there are errors in your assessment of my vote for fubbleskag: > > 1. I do not think he had yet claimed hider, as that occurred on day 3, didn’t it? > 2. I also do not think he voted for himself until Day 3. > > What is interesting is that I didn’t vote for him after those thigns occurred, you did. (The vote count is right in your post). Though, granted it occurred before those 2 events happened also. > > So why to you attribute my vote to those 2 easy things that occurred a Day after my vote? > > Did you think I had some premonition that fubbleskag was going to vote for himself and/or that he was going to claim hider? Oh, my bad, you’re totally right. I blame the formatting of viewing all the posts in a thread by player name :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1351 "2012-01-06T01:31:36Z")
**Vote special ed** He still tops my list. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1352 "2012-01-06T03:27:19Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **Vote special ed** > > He still tops my list. hehe I love votes with no reasons ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1353 "2012-01-06T03:32:53Z")
Yeah seriously, **Mahaloth** , what’s the deal with these less-than-useful votes? If you want people to be persuaded to vote your way – as I assume we all do – then can you please put some rationale along with your votes? First you had it in for me, and now you’ve switched to **special ed**. While on some level I appreciate the passive vote of confidence (you probably still think I’m scummy, but just not as scummy as **ed** ), I’d be more inclined to take your votes seriously if there were some thought behind them. So why **special ed** , **Mahaloth**? What’s got your dander up? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1354 "2012-01-06T05:37:12Z")
Vote Count: septimus (1): Scathach Special Ed (1): Mahaloth Quiet Day. I should probably shorten the next one. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1355 "2012-01-06T06:09:46Z")
I was reading over toDay’s posts and spotted what I think is likely either just an innocent error or a giveaway. Bolding mine in both cases: > [@septimus](#): > > I’ve not been coy about revealing my Targets (leaving it ambiguous which Power I Protected Night 4 to avoid helping Scum). **None of my previous targets have died** so I am not, unbeknownst to me, some Gastard Jekyll/Hyde Doc/Killer. > [@septimus](#): > > **My Protectees have been: N1 - guiri, N2 - self, N3 - self, N4 - self, N5 -hirka.** That “none of my previous targets have died” implies multiple targets for your protection, aside from **Hirka** obviously. But later you reveal that you’d only protected **Guiri** and yourself. Is this a discrepency or just an odd way of phrasing things? Because “none of (your) targets” just seems like strange wording when your targets consisted only of one person other than yourself. I’m not saying this is a “gotcha” or anything, but right now I’m grasping at straws to find some vote target before deadline. **Mahaloth** ’s reticence is bugging the heck outta me but he’s said so very little that I can’t come up with anything to stick on him, **Svejk** has apparently fallen into the same black hole where PCM went until the latter was killed, I’m desperately trying to get over my monomania against **Scathach** , and **special ed** is the only person who’s being helpful, which means I’m probably trusting in the wrong person just as I did with motherfrakkin’ **Stanislaus** last game. So I’m left looking at the ineffective doctor who’s so far managed to protect only himself as far as we know. It goes against all reason to lynch the alleged town Doctor, the only other Town power role left (as far as I know), so the case has to be damn good. I’m not sure it is yet. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1356 "2012-01-06T07:43:29Z")
> [@choie](#): > > I was reading over toDay’s posts and spotted what I think is likely either just an innocent error or a giveaway. … > > That “none of my previous targets have died” implies multiple targets for your protection, aside from **Hirka** obviously. But later you reveal that you’d only protected **Guiri** and yourself. Is this a discrepency or just an odd way of phrasing things? Because “none of (your) targets” just seems like strange wording when your targets consisted only of one person other than yourself. Are you saying “neither of my previous targets” would imply two targets, so “none of my previous targets” should imply three or more? Even if I used English that way, I don’t think it would be relevant here: (1) I was being partly evasive about my targets at that time, not wishing to share my policies with Scum. (2) I was thinking of events, rather than players. If I protected only myself 3 times, and I survived all 3 Nights, I’d still use the plural form. Meanwhile, it seems interesting that the only votes on record are by the Godfather candidates. Let me point out again that toMorrow we’ll be at Lynch-or-Lose even if the Godfather is the only remaining Scum. There could well be a second Scum with the Godfather, presumably Special Ed or Svejk (or, for completeness, choie or septimus). If there is, we’ll know more by looking at toDay’s voting and toNight’s actions. But identifying the Godfather is highest priority right now. Choie - do you still suspect scathach? Do you want me to post the “Wall of Words” of his posts? ---
**Author:** ![Scathach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Scathach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scathach)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1357 "2012-01-06T11:35:55Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Meanwhile, it seems interesting that the only votes on record are by the Godfather candidates. Let me point out again that toMorrow we’ll be at Lynch-or-Lose even if the Godfather is the only remaining Scum. > > There could well be a second Scum with the Godfather, presumably Special Ed or Svejk (or, for completeness, choie or septimus). If there is, we’ll know more by looking at toDay’s voting and toNight’s actions. But identifying the Godfather is highest priority right now. > > Choie - do you still suspect scathach? Do you want me to post the “Wall of Words” of his posts? Interesting how exactly? Also, why do you remain so convinced that there is a Godfather? It’s not an uncommon role or anything, but it’s not a certainty. And I still don’t like how you keep smudging Hirka’s investigation results by calling them “godfather candidates” instead of “semi-cleared townies” or whatever. Obviously there’s self interest talking from me there, but still. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1358 "2012-01-06T19:00:38Z")
> [@choie](#): > > Yeah seriously, **Mahaloth** , what’s the deal with these less-than-useful votes? If you want people to be persuaded to vote your way – as I assume we all do – then can you please put some rationale along with your votes? > > First you had it in for me, and now you’ve switched to **special ed**. While on some level I appreciate the passive vote of confidence (you probably still think I’m scummy, but just not as scummy as **ed** ), I’d be more inclined to take your votes seriously if there were some thought behind them. > > So why **special ed** , **Mahaloth**? What’s got your dander up? I believe you are Town, choie. You aren’t on my suspect list and if you do turn out to be scum, kudos to you. 🙂 I suspect ed. He seemed oddly supportive early on. Lately, I’ve found him quieter than I expected him to be. Now, correct me if I"m wrong, but did we ever get any investigative results saying he is Town? If we did and I missed them, I do apologize. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1359 "2012-01-06T19:34:12Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I believe you are Town, choie. You aren’t on my suspect list and if you do turn out to be scum, kudos to you. 🙂 > > I suspect ed. He seemed oddly supportive early on. Lately, I’ve found him quieter than I expected him to be. Now, correct me if I"m wrong, but did we ever get any investigative results saying he is Town? If we did and I missed them, I do apologize. Oddly supportive? Can you define that or give an example? Quieter than you expect? At this point, late in the game, I think I’m commenting on pretty much everything that comes up. The one exception might be the potential godfather issue which I don’t want to talk about since it seems quite probable that we have 2 scum anyway. And not investigated? That’s the 3rd point of your ‘case’ against me? No offense, but that’s exactly what I’d expect an investigate godfather to say. ---
**Author:** ![choie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/choie/32/7829_2.png) [@choie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/choie)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2012, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526/1360 "2012-01-06T23:09:11Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I believe you are Town, choie. You aren’t on my suspect list and if you do turn out to be scum, kudos to you. 🙂 > > I suspect ed. He seemed oddly supportive early on. Lately, I’ve found him quieter than I expected him to be. Now, correct me if I"m wrong, but did we ever get any investigative results saying he is Town? If we did and I missed them, I do apologize. Oddly supportive of whom? Youm? Uh, I mean, you? Or do you mean Town in general? I’d understand this if it hadn’t been partly what burned **Inner Stickler**. We didn’t get any investigative results on **special ed** , but then the dearly departed **Hirka** only had a chance to snoop on you, **Scathach** and **Mental Guy**. What made you change your mind about me all of a sudden? I do have to agree with **Scathach** above that we _have_ been assuming the existence of a Godfather, perhaps wrongly since we really don’t know that to be the case. Personally I “like” the idea of a Godfather being one of the two **Hirka** -cleared candidates only because it pleases my sense of drama/mystery. Ditto if **septimus** turns out to be Scum. I know it’s not in my own (or indeed the rest of Town’s) best interests, but damn it, I loves me some dramatic plot twists. But I mustn’t let that thirst for drama overwhelm logic. It’s absolutely possible there’s no Godfather, or for that matter, if there _is_ a Godfather that s/he’s from one of the uninvestigated. Still, there probably is _one_ other power role on Team Scum. I doubt **Silver Jan** ’s roleblocker was the sum total of power roles on the baddies’ side. > [@septimus](#): > > Are you saying “neither of my previous targets” would imply two targets, so “none of my previous targets” should imply three or more? Even if I used English that way, I don’t think it would be relevant here: > (1) I was being partly evasive about my targets at that time, not wishing to share my policies with Scum. > (2) I was thinking of events, rather than players. If I protected only myself 3 times, and I survived all 3 Nights, I’d still use the plural form. Hey you’re talking to a book editor here, so of course I’m gonna mark you down for sloppy verbiage. 😃 As far as point #1 goes, the two posts weren’t separated all that far apart, so I’m surprised something changed your mind and you decided to admit your targets after all. Not displeased about it, mind you; I’m glad you changed your mind. I’m just wondering what did it for you. > [@septimus](#): > > There could well be a second Scum with the Godfather, presumably Special Ed or Svejk (or, for completeness, choie or septimus). If there is, we’ll know more by looking at toDay’s voting and toNight’s actions. But identifying the Godfather is highest priority right now. Yeah but as I mentioned earlier, for all we know the Godfather wasn’t investigated at all and **special ed** or **Svejk** _is_ the Godfather despite not having been “cleared.” **Hirka** chose his targets apparently randomly, so we can’t really assume that he cleared the Godfather – if Godfather there be. > [@septimus](#): > > Choie - do you still suspect scathach? Do you want me to post the “Wall of Words” of his posts? I believe **Scathach** is a she, FWIW. Anyway, I’d love for you to post a wall of words! We haven’t had nearly as many of those as we can use. To answer the first question, sure, I still suspect everyone! I can’t get rid of that damn _idee fixe_ that there’s some significance to be found in the **Inner** vote, not to mention the **Silver Jan** vote as well. I continue to believe that at least one scum would’ve voted for **Inner** , and I also believe one scum would’ve voted for **Silver Jan**. But looking at the lists of who voted for both lynchings, I’m coming up with one person who straddles both lists (um, aside from me): **Svejk**. The other **Silver Jan** voters are two dead known Townies and me (known as Townie to myself). So for now I’m more suspicious of **Svejk** than **Scathach** , though they could both be scum for all I know. The only reason I’m not voting **Svejk** yet is because I find it odd that he’s totally departed from the SDMB for the past week or so. I’m a little worried. > [@special\_ed](#): > > Quieter than you expect? At this point, late in the game, I think I’m commenting on pretty much everything that comes up. I do find this accusation amusing coming from **Mahaloth** considering he’s not exactly be a babbling fount of words. 😃 But besides that, I also disagree with the accusation because **special ed** seems to me to be one of the three remaining Chatty Cathys in the game (the others being **septimus** and myself). He might be quieter than usual, but that could be because there are so many reticent players ( **Svejk, Mahaloth,** and **Scathach** haven’t really been saying all that much lately) and it’s hard to interact by oneself. Unless your screenname is **askthepizzaguy**. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=67) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-thrill-of-the-chase-newbie-friendly/603526.md?page=69)