# Mafia V: The Cult of Sekham **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 25, 2007, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340 "2007-06-25T16:47:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/81 "2007-06-25T19:34:32Z")
ONLY FOUR SPOTS LEFT! ```auto 1 ArizonaTeach 2 USCDiver* 3 Idle Thoughts 4 Zuma* 5 HockeyMonkey 6 storyteller0910 7 NAF1138 8 sachertorte 9 SnakesCatLady 10 Malacandra 11 Mtgman 12 Clockwork Jackal 13 Hal Briston 14 Pleonast 15 DiggitCamara 16 Fretful Porpentine 17 Captain Carrot 18 Pasta 19 FlyingCowOfDoom 20 Scuba_Ben 21 Queuing 22 Zeriel 23 MonkeyMensch 24 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 25 Autolycus 26 HazelNutCoffee ``` ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/82 "2007-06-25T19:46:42Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] ONLY FOUR SPOTS LEFT! ```auto 1 ArizonaTeach 2 USCDiver* 3 Idle Thoughts 4 Zuma* 5 HockeyMonkey 6 storyteller0910 7 NAF1138 8 sachertorte 9 SnakesCatLady 10 Malacandra 11 Mtgman 12 Clockwork Jackal **13 Hal Briston 14 Pleonast 15 DiggitCamara 16 Fretful Porpentine 17 Captain Carrot** 18 Pasta 19 FlyingCowOfDoom 20 Scuba_Ben 21 Queuing 22 Zeriel 23 MonkeyMensch 24 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 25 Autolycus 26 HazelNutCoffee ``` [/QUOTE] Bolding mine. Anyone else noticing something? (although… was \*\*Fretful \*\*in _The Fraternity_?) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/83 "2007-06-25T19:49:52Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] Oh, and I promise that I won’t get in a fight with every player at some point this time 🙂 [/QUOTE] Well that’s no fun. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/84 "2007-06-25T19:51:53Z")
Curses his addiction to these games.\* I cold-turkeyed for over a year before playing in the Pirate game… and can’t resist another dose. Sign me up please **BM**? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/85 "2007-06-25T19:55:13Z")
Just out of curiosity, **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** , what group were you in that considered the cheerleaders as arch-rivals? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/86 "2007-06-25T19:57:28Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] Cool, thanks. It is Canada Day this weekend, which means a long weekend! I don’t think my GF would be very impressed if I was on my laptop trying to find a hotspot during the festivities in Ottawa. I will be away Friday evening until Monday evening. Oh, and I promise that I won’t get in a fight with every player at some point this time 🙂 [/QUOTE] Hey! You and I never fought, that I recall. Three more people, and we’re off, right? Come on, spectators! Come join the insanity! ---
**Author:** ![panamajack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/47e85d/32.png) [@panamajack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panamajack)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/87 "2007-06-25T20:00:18Z")
FOS **Blaster Master** for using [random.org](http://random.org)! 🙂 I won’t be in this game, but during those lonely nights aboard a ship I came up with a chart (adjusted so that it should match the current state of the game). Blaster Master seemed okay with my posting it, so I’m hoping it’s correct. Here’s a shorthand chart for those of you trying to find something to believe in. ```auto Role Alignment Investigates as Can convert Wins with Special Knows Is Known By Believer Town Believer Y Town Priest Town Priest N Town Bless Disciple Disciple Town Disciple N Town Bless Priest Oracle Town Oracle Y Town Investigate Apprentice Apprentice Town Apprentice Y Town Investigate Oracle Monk Town Monk N Town other Monks other Monks Crusader Town Crusader Y Self Kills Alchemist Town Non-believer Y Town, NB Blocker Non-believer Town Non-believer Y Town, NB Psychopath Self Psychopath Y Self (UNAWARE) Cultist Cult Non-believer N/A Cult other Cult other Cult Prophet Cult Believer N/A Cult Conversion Cult Cult Avatar Cult Avatar N/A Cult Vengeance UNAWARE ``` Any special role that gets converted loses its powers. The ‘Psychopath’ listing is for the activated Psychopath; unactivated it is identical to Non-believer. See full description of roles for win conditions and special powers. ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/88 "2007-06-25T20:00:52Z")
[QUOTE=storyteller0910] Hey! You and I never fought, that I recall. [/QUOTE] Jerk. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/89 "2007-06-25T20:11:50Z")
[QUOTE=panamajack] FOS **Blaster Master** for using [random.org](http://random.org)! 🙂 I won’t be in this game, but during those lonely nights aboard a ship I came up with a chart (adjusted so that it should match the current state of the game). Blaster Master seemed okay with my posting it, so I’m hoping it’s correct. Here’s a shorthand chart for those of you trying to find something to believe in. ```auto Role Alignment Investigates as Can convert Wins with Special Knows Is Known By Believer Town Believer Y Town Priest Town Priest N Town Bless Disciple Disciple Town Disciple N Town Bless Priest Oracle Town Oracle Y Town Investigate Apprentice Apprentice Town Apprentice Y Town Investigate Oracle Monk Town Monk N Town other Monks other Monks Crusader Town Crusader Y Self Kills Alchemist Town Non-believer Y Town, NB Blocker Non-believer Town Non-believer Y Town, NB Psychopath Self Psychopath Y Self (UNAWARE) Cultist Cult Non-believer N/A Cult other Cult other Cult Prophet Cult Believer N/A Cult Conversion Cult Cult Avatar Cult Avatar N/A Cult Vengeance UNAWARE ``` Any special role that gets converted loses its powers. The ‘Psychopath’ listing is for the activated Psychopath; unactivated it is identical to Non-believer. See full description of roles for win conditions and special powers. [/QUOTE] Thanks, I think it will help clear up some of the rules. The only part that is a little confusing about that are the special win conditions for the Crusader and Psychopath, in that others do win with them, but they can only win with those special conditions. That is, the Believers still win if the Crusader wins (hey, the Cult is gone, and they’re not out-numbered, right?); similarly, the Non-Believers still win if the Psychopath wins (he’s only after the people with “crazy beliefs”). Here’s the slightly updated version of the chart: ```auto Role Alignment Investigates as Can convert Wins with Special Knows Is Known By Believer Town Believer Y Town Priest Town Priest N Town Bless Disciple Disciple Town Disciple N Town Bless Priest Oracle Town Oracle Y Town Investigate Apprentice Apprentice Town Apprentice Y Town Investigate Oracle Monk Town Monk N Town other Monks other Monks Crusader Town Crusader Y Self, B Kills Alchemist Town Non-believer Y Town, NB Blocker Non-believer Town Non-believer Y Town, NB Psychopath Self Psychopath Y Self, NB (UNAWARE) Cultist Cult Non-believer N/A Cult other Cult other Cult Prophet Cult Believer N/A Cult Conversion Cult Cult Avatar Cult Avatar N/A Cult Vengeance UNAWARE ``` ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/90 "2007-06-25T20:18:27Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] the Non-Believers still win if the Psychopath wins (he’s only after the people with “crazy beliefs”). [/QUOTE] I think there’s a double crazy somewhere in there. Wouldn’t someone wanting to off people with crazy beliefs be well, perhaps not sane, but psychopath seems so… mean. Why is the crusader, who kills in the name of his god, a crusader, but a non-believer who kills for his athiest beliefs is a psychopath? Athiest rights! Down with religious-bias. Ooooh, look, that water seems really shiny and _wet_. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/91 "2007-06-25T20:23:08Z")
[QUOTE=sachertorte] Why is the crusader, who kills in the name of his god, a crusader, but a non-believer who kills for his athiest beliefs is a psychopath? Athiest rights! Down with religious-bias. [/QUOTE] I think George Carlin hit the basic idea here. I’m pretty sure it went something like this: “Israeli Commandos are called Freedom Fighters. Arab Commandos are called Terrorists.” 😛 Actually, I just couldn’t come up with a better name, so I went with a traditional one. I would have gone with Serial Killer, but that implies a different kind of crazy (i.e., Hannibal Lecter). ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/92 "2007-06-25T20:45:25Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Hey! You [Queueing] and I never fought, that I recall. Well, except at the end when you wolfed out and tore him limb from limb. That might have been considered a fight. A remarkably one-sided one, but a fight nonetheless. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/93 "2007-06-25T20:56:41Z")
[QUOTE=Scuba\_Ben] Just out of curiosity, **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** , what group were you in that considered the cheerleaders as arch-rivals? [/QUOTE] Whoops. I meant that to read that the St. Bernard’s Crusaders were the arch rivals of my high school. ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/94 "2007-06-25T20:57:32Z")
I would like a spot if there still are any. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/95 "2007-06-25T21:12:48Z")
That reminds me, before the game gets started, anyone want to guess at what the secret role is? Will it be something great and grand(like a second Avatar, this one of Nairu), with powers beyond those of mortal man? Or will it be something interesting, but unoriginal, like a “Gun Nut/Army Veteran”(who takes out anyone who tries to kill them at night in a mutually assured destruction fashion). A “redeemer” who can convert cultists to townies? Or undo convertsion? A Pope, who is allowed to ask one question of the moderator and then post “Ex Cathedra”(infallibally) about that topic? Will it be on the side of the cultists, or the town? Or will it be a Madelyn Murry O’Hare type, who can banish the otherworldly powers for a time(negating investigations, prayer-based saves, ritual sacrifices, conversions, etc.)? The possibilities are endless. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/96 "2007-06-25T21:17:08Z")
Looks like we’re down to two spots remaining. Hey **Millet**! **Mad the Swine**! **Kyrie Eleison**! **dnooman**! **Auntbeast**! Get in here, people! ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/97 "2007-06-25T21:18:41Z")
Everyone who has requested so far is in. Also, I received a PM from MadTheSwine. Please confirm your request to play. That should leave ONE open spot. Once everyone has confirmed, I will assign roles and begin sending out role PMs. I will be leaving for a concert presently (Hurray for Virgin Black!), so PMs will either be late tonight or tomorrow morning. Even if all of the spots are filled, please do sign up, I will be keeping a sub list and I expect at least a few of them will be used. Current player list: ```auto 1 ArizonaTeach 2 USCDiver* 3 Idle Thoughts 4 Zuma* 5 HockeyMonkey 6 storyteller0910 7 NAF1138 8 sachertorte 9 SnakesCatLady 10 Malacandra 11 Mtgman 12 Clockwork Jackal 13 Hal Briston 14 Pleonast 15 DiggitCamara 16 Fretful Porpentine 17 Captain Carrot 18 Pasta 19 FlyingCowOfDoom 20 Scuba_Ben 21 Queuing 22 Zeriel 23 MonkeyMensch 24 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 25 Autolycus 26 HazelNutCoffee 27 MHaye 28 fluiddruid 29 30 MadTheSwine* ``` ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/98 "2007-06-25T21:26:50Z")
I really enjoyed M3, but school is still keeping me tied up so I’ll just root for someone here from the peanut gallery. Have fun folks! And get out there and vote! ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/99 "2007-06-25T21:32:10Z")
[QUOTE=Queuing] (snip) Oh, and I promise that I won’t get in a fight with every player at some point this time 🙂 [/QUOTE] Hey! That attitude is reserved for ME! C’mon, I had to talk **Cookies** into unvoting me in the last Day of M3… (as long as I have _someone_ backing me up, of course) 😛 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340/100 "2007-06-25T21:38:33Z")
[QUOTE=Blaster Master] Everyone who has requested so far is in. Also, I received a PM from MadTheSwine. Please confirm your request to play. That should leave ONE open spot. Once everyone has confirmed, I will assign roles and begin sending out role PMs. I will be leaving for a concert presently (Hurray for Virgin Black!), so PMs will either be late tonight or tomorrow morning. Even if all of the spots are filled, please do sign up, I will be keeping a sub list and I expect at least a few of them will be used. Current player list: ```auto 1 ArizonaTeach 2 USCDiver* 3 Idle Thoughts 4 Zuma* 5 HockeyMonkey 6 storyteller0910 7 NAF1138 8 sachertorte 9 SnakesCatLady 10 Malacandra 11 Mtgman 12 Clockwork Jackal 13 Hal Briston 14 Pleonast 15 DiggitCamara 16 Fretful Porpentine 17 Captain Carrot 18 Pasta 19 FlyingCowOfDoom 20 Scuba_Ben 21 Queuing 22 Zeriel 23 MonkeyMensch 24 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 25 Autolycus 26 HazelNutCoffee 27 MHaye 28 fluiddruid 29 30 MadTheSwine* ``` [/QUOTE] Why does TheMadPig get slot 30? He special this game too? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-v-the-cult-of-sekham/409340.md?page=6)