# Mafia Watch-Along Thread - NO SPOILERS! \[FORBIDDEN TO LIVE PLAYERS\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [July 17, 2015, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379 "2015-07-17T01:15:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/301 "2015-09-07T21:52:13Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I did both those things. For some reason I didn’t see your vote until after I’d posted my comment, so my apologies. I don’t remember seeing any post from you with any commentary Yesterday. Must have missed it. Good thing I’m not playing; I’d have been lynched for skimming. ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/302 "2015-09-07T23:22:38Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > So many thoughts… > > * * * > > But first, a couple questions about game ethics: > > - Was it OK to look at **Sario** ’s profile to see when he last logged on and thus infer that he had been reading but not posting? Was his objection to this fair or not? > > - Would it have been OK to notice if a player’s “green light” went out right after the EOD? Because if I was scum, I’d probably be hopping over to the Scum Board as soon as Day ended, and I might just log out. If I was town, perhaps I am going to be posting in other threads. No real proof of anything…but suggestive. Legit or not? > > - While we are not supposed to post anything of substance at Night, was it fair for us to nevertheless draw conclusions from\* other player’s posts\* made at Night? For instance, **Plum** ’s “exciting” comment after Day 1 was made at Night, and some of us incorrectly read scumminess from that post. **DiggitCamara** did not post a “Hurrah!” comment after we lynched **Sario** , and I read wolfishness from that non-post. I also misread **Dante G** when he made his “homey” comment about **septimus** during the first Night. So are Night comments fair game as long as the player who is actually posting (or NOT posting) is not intentionally trying to hunt wolves or deceive town? > > - On the other hand, if a wolf post’s “Hurrah” at Night over a scum lynch, he is actively posting deception at Night. So what’s the verdict? Can wolves post trickery at Night, but not town? > > * * * It’s a fine line and you risk shooting yourself in the foot when you assign “in-game” value to “fluff” time. It’s like I said during the game: it reminds me of overthinking “groupthink” and if you continue in that path you’ll just get a generation of wolves who enthusiastically react to any and all positive events and rend their clothes when there have been negative events. And players who are more laid back during fluff time (or, in other games, have other things to do, like evaluate whom to protect, whom to NightKill or other stuff) will be frowned upon. YMMV ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/303 "2015-09-07T23:25:26Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > The onion has more layers. > > If I’m Alice, I might vote for one of them and wait to see what Chris and Bill do. If the one I’m not voting for votes right away, I would switch votes. If the one I am voting for gets defensive and tries to reason with me, I might switch votes too. Generally, I’m going to switch votes and see what the others do and say. > Or I might sit back and watch what Chris and Bill do. > > There isn’t only one way to play it. > > Also, there is a posting history to contend with. > > **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** famously was in a final 3 showdown and had to choose who was scum and who was not (she was a mason equivalent). She re-read the entire game (!) assuming one or the other was scum and voted for who made the most sense. She kicked ass. … I seem to remember that game differently… ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/304 "2015-09-07T23:37:58Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > … I seem to remember that game differently… And this is why I remember it differently :)😃 > [@Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2415): > > I’m vanilla town. I’ve inadvertantly outed myself as such on so many occasions, I can’t even count them, so I’d be highly surpised if that is a surprise to anyone. So surprised that I didn’t even think to role-claim in my last post. Of course some (if not all) of those sloppy moments (including not role-claiming earlier today) are likely to be seen as (or twisted into) crafty scum manipulations, but sadly they were just vanilla sloppiness. > > As strong as my words were against you earlier today, **nesta** , I can’t help but > give you the benefit of the doubt that life has come around to bite you on the butt lately. I don’t believe that you would play the endgame by trying to hide your recruitment in real life distractions from the game. It just sounds weird to even type that out loud, since we all know that the game exists to provide an entertaining distraction from our daily lives. > > I also just can’t swallow **Diggit’s** response to my tying vote at face value. The only way I can swallow it is by assuming that he was using it as an opportunity to try and win my trust and come off as pro-town. It was just laid on a bit too thick. > > **Vote Diggit** for the umpteenth time. > [@Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2416): > > Ooookay. I’ll suppose, for a minute, you believe my claim that I am a mason. Let’s suppose, for a minute, I was recruited. > > 1. The last “original scum” ( **Blaster Master** ) died. Night fell. At the time there was one hybrid (me), two pure masons ( **Hal** and **Millit** ), **tirial** , **nesta** and you > 2. I could have let \*\*Millit \*\*live and kill… anyone but **tirial** , leaving one hybrid (me), two pure masons ( **Hal** and **Millit** ) against \*\*tirial \*\*and another townie, giving masons a majority of votes > … you can take it from there. I would have won in any conceivable scenario from then on. > > Let’s look at this Night: > > 1. One hybrid (me), one “pure mason” ( **Hal** ), you and **nesta** > 2. I kill… anyone but **Hal** leaving one hybrid (me), one “pure mason” ( **Hal** ) and a pure majority for masons. > > Again, at night there would be two masons left. And I would win (I win both if masons win and if scum win) > > … I assure you, I’m not dumb enough to jeopardize a guaranteed win. Twice. > [@Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2420): > > In all seriousness though, your (sad but true) “Spell it out for Cookies…she’s kinda slow” post warrants an unvote before **nesta** shows up. > > Unvote Diggit. > [@Mafia The Game III: Kinder and Gentler](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-the-game-iii-kinder-and-gentler/400527/2427): > > Ok, then. Let’s get this moving again. I was hoping one or the other of the remaining two players would post, giving me a bit more of a hold, but I guess they’d rather wait for my move. > > I’ve been looking at several angles of the situation. First I tried to find out if there was some way to find out why **Millit** was chosen as the first kill of the Recruit. No dice. And, as far as I know, the Recruit might very well have spotted the post in which **tirial** slipped(?) and pointed out **Millit** , \*\*Blaster Master \*\* and pals might have known before that she was a mason or a number of other reasons. > > **Hal** , of course, was relatively easy to spot as a mason once **Millit** had been killed so I didn’t even start that line of investigation. > > I tried to put myself in **Blaster Master** ’s position concerning recruitment options and I can see reasons to recruit both of them. However, I guess at the time **nesta** would have a slight edge, since he’d been “cleared” by **Hal** and his “trap”. > > I tried to find some kind of variation in their respective posting styles, and/or voting tendencies. **ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** ( **CTTDSWHC** ) has been consistent and insistent on her votes against me (to the point of voting against me toDay). She seemed to have "[imprinted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8680778&postcount=2345) " on **tirial** during the day we lynched **Rachm**. > > And, like I said yesterday, I simply can’t see how her tying vote would have benefitted her position (if she were scum). > > **nesta** ’s position pre and post-Recruitment has been mostly consistent as well. While we were deciding whom to lynch (between **Blaster Master** and **Rachm** ) he [said](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8636926&postcount=2108) : > > though at the end of that day, he was more [convinced](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8640946&postcount=2159) I was scum. > There are, however, [two](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8663081&postcount=2286) [posts](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8663187&postcount=2288) during the day we lynched **Blaster Master** that seem to be carefully worded defenses for **Blaster Master** : > > The first one, of course is… oddly reminiscent of **Lemur866** ’s careful [defense](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8524694&postcount=912) of fluiddruid on Day 3: > > (which, by the way, led me to vote for **Lemur866** ) > Now, during the next Day (yesterDay) **nesta** was [leaning towards voting](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8683813&postcount=2360) **tirial** > > but suddenly [reversed course](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8685085&postcount=2364) with a vote against **CTTDSWHC** > > after finding himself on **Hal** ’s [menu](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8684456&postcount=2361) : > My guess is nesta knew Hal was a mason (he thought **Hal** was unreasonable in my defense unless we were on the same team) and was preparing his ground for today. > > My apologies for this convoluted post, but I still had to explain my reasoning to vote nesta ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/305 "2015-09-08T02:20:51Z")
Let’s give more kudos to \*\*Bayard \*\*. In post 1009 of the game, after catching \*\*JSexton \*\*, \*\*Bayard \*\* listed 5 players who hadn’t had much interaction with \*\*JSexton \*\*. The three wolves snared since WERE ALL ON THAT LIST! MVP: \*\* Bayard \*\*, who turned what seemed at the time a near certain defeat for the town to now a team on the cusp of winning. \*\*Bayard \*\*, who snared the first wolf and listed most of the rest! ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/306 "2015-09-08T03:21:17Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Let’s give more kudos to \*\*Bayard \*\*. In post 1009 of the game, after catching \*\*JSexton \*\*, \*\*Bayard \*\* listed 5 players who hadn’t had much interaction with \*\*JSexton \*\*. The three wolves snared since WERE ALL ON THAT LIST! > > MVP: \*\* Bayard \*\*, who turned what seemed at the time a near certain defeat for the town to now a team on the cusp of winning. \*\*Bayard \*\*, who snared the first wolf and listed most of the rest! Hey, thanks! I’ve been meaning to go back and compare my list to the actual wolves, but I hadn’t gotten around to it. Glad to know I was more right than wrong! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/307 "2015-09-08T13:37:21Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > - Was it OK to look at **Sario** ’s profile to see when he last logged on and thus infer that he had been reading but not posting? Was his objection to this fair or not? > > - Would it have been OK to notice if a player’s “green light” went out right after the EOD? Because if I was scum, I’d probably be hopping over to the Scum Board as soon as Day ended, and I might just log out. If I was town, perhaps I am going to be posting in other threads. No real proof of anything…but suggestive. Legit or not? This is definitely an individual thing, but I do consider this to be bad form for a few reasons: - The data isn’t even very good. There’s no way to know whether somebody actually _is_ checking this particular thread when they’re on. Or maybe an actual wolf is actually lurking, but they don’t log in every time they come to the forum, so their login times only show up when they post. Or, like me, the SDMB is part of an “idle cycle” of sites that I go to when I’m bored, even if I’m not actually reading any threads. Or they’re reading on their shitty phone and couldn’t post even if they wanted to. Or they’re popping on to post about why the new Star Wars trailer sucks and can’t be arsed to spend time and brainpower contributing to the game. - There’s so many ways to draw incorrect assumptions from green lights and “last on” times that the information is probably useless in most circumstances. In Sario’s case, he was a wolf, but his lurking was not scum motivated as best I can tell. He just didn’t have time to play the game. - Mafia is already a hella stressful game, and knowing that somebody is tracking your movements can be interpreted anywhere from frustrating all the way to outright creepy. Probably not worth doing. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/308 "2015-09-08T14:13:50Z")
> [@DiggitCamara](#): > > And this is why I remember it differently :)😃 Different Game ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/309 "2015-09-08T14:34:33Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > Different Game Sorry. The similarities (I was a mason, it was a an endgame involving three players, ComeToTheDarkSide was involved and I had to re-read the thread to decide who of the others was scum and made the final decision) made me think you had just reversed the players who were involved. My mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/310 "2015-09-08T15:22:46Z")
Yeah, I’ll have to remember that technique of “who isn’t interacting with whom”. In principle, it could be subject to the same sort of deep analysis I’ve done with votes, which could even find Scum before the first one is outed. Though of course, tracking who’s interacted with whom is a lot more subjective than tracking votes. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/311 "2015-09-08T15:27:33Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Though of course, tracking who’s interacted with whom is a lot more subjective than tracking votes. It’s also a pain in the ass. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![DiggitCamara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df788c/32.png) [@DiggitCamara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiggitCamara)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/312 "2015-09-08T15:38:19Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Yeah, I’ll have to remember that technique of “who isn’t interacting with whom”. In principle, it could be subject to the same sort of deep analysis I’ve done with votes, which could even find Scum before the first one is outed. Though of course, tracking who’s interacted with whom is a lot more subjective than tracking votes. I would loathe the general use of the technique. I often focus on a single player and what they have said (at least during the first couple of Days) and would be singled out quite often because of that. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/313 "2015-09-08T17:58:57Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Let’s give more kudos to \*\*Bayard \*\*. In post 1009 of the game, after catching \*\*JSexton \*\*, \*\*Bayard \*\* listed 5 players who hadn’t had much interaction with \*\*JSexton \*\*. The three wolves snared since WERE ALL ON THAT LIST! > > MVP: \*\* Bayard \*\*, who turned what seemed at the time a near certain defeat for the town to now a team on the cusp of winning. \*\*Bayard \*\*, who snared the first wolf and listed most of the rest! This is fantastic stuff and a good lesson for new players. What scum Don’t do can be much more telling (and difficult to notice) than what scum Do do. And I don’t mean specifically player-player interaction, but the notion that a Townie player would participate in certain things but a scum player would avoid it. Saying nothing is so easy and often not noticeable. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/314 "2015-09-08T21:42:12Z")
I’ve been having fun watching the game, thought I haven’t had the time to really analyze it until recently. This is the first game I’ve watched unfold more or less as it happens. The funny thing is that my gut was screaming that **Diggit** and **Johnny** were scum. (Easy to say that now that they’ve been killed, I know.) When I went back to analyze the thread to see what it was that was pinging me so much, I don’t see it. I specifically remember reading one of **Johnny** ’s post night kill posts and thinking that it was the scummiest scum that ever scummed a scum. I was thinking town was making a huge mistake because none of them were pointing it out either, but I can’t find it now when I go back knowing the wolves and townies that have been killed. My analytical take is useless. One question. Of those remaining, which have significant experience? Also, my (much delayed) take on the **Biotop** non-kill after the **Plum** mis-lynch is that **Bio** more or less led the mis-lynch (or at least put it over the top safely for others) and that it would be easy to smudge him for both the mis-lynch and the fact that he was the next logical night kill. The fairly early in the day claim of First Mason cut that strategy off at the pass unless a wolf counter claimed. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/315 "2015-09-09T00:57:52Z")
> [@HookerChemical](#): > > Also, my (much delayed) take on the **Biotop** non-kill after the **Plum** mis-lynch is that **Bio** more or less led the mis-lynch (or at least put it over the top safely for others) and that it would be easy to smudge him for both the mis-lynch and the fact that he was the next logical night kill. The fairly early in the day claim of First Mason cut that strategy off at the pass unless a wolf counter claimed. Thing Fish led the lynch. Biotop probably had the deciding vote(I’m not sure if that was the case, or if it was because at that point I knew for certain I was out). Biotop had also delayed my lynch several times before. I think my wagon would have rolled faster without him. I believe they went with the kill-experienced players-tactic that it seems they’ve used most of the game. They did try to sumdge Bio though. It’s funny, because letting Biotop claim made quite a bit of difference for town. ---
**Author:** ![HookerChemical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/278dde/32.png) [@HookerChemical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HookerChemical)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/316 "2015-09-09T01:37:01Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Thing Fish led the lynch. Biotop probably had the deciding vote(I’m not sure if that was the case, or if it was because at that point I knew for certain I was out). Biotop had also delayed my lynch several times before. I think my wagon would have rolled faster without him. I believe they went with the kill-experienced players-tactic that it seems they’ve used most of the game. They did try to sumdge Bio though. It’s funny, because letting Biotop claim made quite a bit of difference for town. **Thing Fish** got the wagon rolling, but **Bio** broke the late stalemate and drew two other voters to close things out (starting with post 1418, other votes coming in 1419 and 1420). It’s the late sequence I’m referring to. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/317 "2015-09-09T02:26:17Z")
I pretty much talked myself into it. I kept going back and forth between \*\*Plum \*\* and \*\*Diggit \*\*. Even as I wrote the post that finally voted for \*\*Plum \*\*, I almost went the other way. Ultimately, I felt we would learn more from flipping **Plum**. I still had this moronic theory that \*\*Thing Fish \*\* was a high caliber playing wolf. If \*\* Plum \*\* were to turn up wolf, then I could discard the theory and trust \*\*Thing Fish \*\*. When \*\*Plum \*\* was lynched and shown town, I was ready to go after \*\*Thing Fish \*\*. Of course, when the wolves killed \*\*Thing Fish \*\* that next Night, they kept me from going the wrong way on the next Day. Whew! I was also thinking that if\*\* Thing Fish \*\* was Town, maybe he was right about \*\*Plum \*\* and I was the one foolishly defending the wolf. And I didn’t realize until \*\*Jimmy Chitwood \*\* started to question me that I might be being set up. I thought I had built up enough town cred. Good thing I had my Mason Card to play. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/318 "2015-09-09T02:54:14Z")
Yeah, in retrospect, it looks like that is what the wolves were trying to do. It was a risky play, though, probably too risky for its payoff even with what the Scum knew at the time. **JSexton** probably would have advised against it, had he not been killed before then. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/319 "2015-09-09T11:17:25Z")
Basically, we were hoping that **Biotop** ’s switch was showing that he was wavering a bit from the pressure of being the “town conscience,” and that keeping him alive and pressuring him over the **Plum** kill would throw things back into chaos. Obviously that all went to pot when he claimed Mason so early in the day. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379/320 "2015-09-09T14:59:47Z")
> [@Biotop](#): > > Just newbie babble, but: > > If I am town and I might die tonight, I want to give my imput for after I am gone. Hell, if I was wolf I would do it too if I was about to get lynched. > > I don’t see why it is a bad idea to post next Day Lynch ideas this late in the game Much stuff happens between ‘posting your thoughts’ and the next Day. (1) The lynch reveals information. That might change your stance on the issues at hand (2) The wolves have the opportunity to kill. If you are Town and are wrong and the wolves kill you, then your opinion will work against the Town. Of course Town knows this and might discard your thoughts, but that’s basically the same thing as not saying anything to begin with. Giving wolves information to make an effective kill is bad for Town. It’s a matter of opinion, not clear right and wrong. For example, you said just now that if Thing Fish had not been killed at night, you would have made a case against him. If scum knew of your suspicions, then they would not have killed Thing Fish. By keeping your suspicion secret, scum inadvertently helped you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mafia-watch-along-thread-no-spoilers-forbidden-to-live-players/725379.md?page=17)