# MAGA-hat kid hires fancy lawyer **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 28, 2019, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520 "2019-01-28T02:48:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/81 "2019-01-30T18:43:48Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > You are correct that the timing of the trip coincided with MLK weekend. But you were wrong to conclude that they were there to see the memorials. They were in fact there to participate in the [March for Life](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_for_Life_(Washington,_D.C.)) and _against_ safe, legal abortions. They were absolutely sent there by their Catholic school to protest. > > You need to find better, more accurate media sources. From what I read, the protest was a component of an outing which also involved doing some Capital tourism. It may have been the primary component, but the kids were also there to see stuff. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/82 "2019-01-30T18:54:41Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > You can’t _earn_ a title that’s nonsensical. If you have a beef with media organizations, the least you do is come up with a clever insult. (post shortened) And you’d be wrong. The least I could do would be to accept the lame stream media’s rush to be first to report a story regardless of it’s accuracy, as opposed to demanding that they properly/correctly/factually reporting a story the first time. It’s amazing the number of people who are willing to advocate for poor reporting. _We don’t care if a news story is biased, false, or spun as long as the bias, untruths, or spin is in our favor_. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/83 "2019-01-30T18:54:44Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > This argument would be less absurdly laughable if the term didn’t implicitly exclude conservative sources. But it does, so the argument is absurdly laughable on the face of it. > > And even if all mainstream news media _was_ discredited, it’s still a stupid phrase that makes everyone who uses it look stupid. If you enjoy watching improvisational dance, ask **doorhinge** to list his trusted, non-lamestream media sources. Two left feet, but he puts on a hell of a show. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/84 "2019-01-30T18:56:55Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > From what I read, the protest was a component of an outing which also involved doing some Capital tourism. It may have been the primary component, but the kids were also there to see stuff. I remember Sandmann mentioning sight seeing and buying those MAGA hats from a booth. I must have zoned out when abortion protests were mentioned. Maybe a bathroom break. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/85 "2019-01-30T18:58:40Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > And you’d be wrong. The least I could do would be to accept the lame stream media’s rush to be first to report a story regardless of it’s accuracy, as opposed to demanding that they properly/correctly/factually reporting a story the first time. > > It’s amazing the number of people who are willing to advocate for poor reporting. _We don’t care if a news story is biased, false, or spun as long as the bias, untruths, or spin is in our favor_. I’m not defending poor reporting. I’m criticizing your use of a stupid term to get your point across. It’s like the jerks who use the term “Democrat Party” as an insult. It really prevents any rational consideration of their position. In this thread, whatever point you are tying to make about “poor reporting” is hopelessly lost by your insistence on using a stupid term. I’m sure you can see that. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/86 "2019-01-30T19:01:19Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > If you enjoy watching improvisational dance, ask **doorhinge** to list his trusted, non-lamestream media sources. Two left feet, but he puts on a hell of a show. I know, right? And speaking of shock theater, I was honestly stumped at how to respond to his bizarre accusation that I’m paid to write my posts. Virtually every way I can think of to respond to this would end up being the kind of insult or accusation I don’t think is permitted outside the pit. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/87 "2019-01-30T19:10:44Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > This thread has already discussed who can be found at fault. Lawsuits will have to be filed against several publishers. The attorneys representing the families can try to get a small settlement. > > Sadly, there seems to be no way to hold social media responsible. There’s too many user accounts and some probably aren’t even based in the US. Held responsible, or held financially responsible? One twit had their twitter account suspended by twitter. Holding social media more financially responsible could require creating, or enhancing, current libel, and slander, laws. Issuing a $10K judgment against the Guamanian Kaya Taitano would be a good start. Assholes could still say what they wish, but their victims should be entitled to compensation, and an apology. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/88 "2019-01-30T19:23:49Z")
I’m on board with that idea. A reasonable fine sounds very good for violations of the TOS. They can still say what they want on social media. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/89 "2019-01-30T19:38:55Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I remember Sandmann mentioning sight seeing and buying those MAGA hats from a booth. > > I must have zoned out when abortion protests were mentioned. Maybe a bathroom break. 😉 Why should we take you word on anything based on your posts in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/90 "2019-01-30T19:50:15Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > The one person who should be included in any libel/slander lawsuit would be Guamanian Kaya Taitano, > [@doorhinge](#): > > That would be the contents of Guamanian Kaya Taitano’s original twit of the incident between the white teenager and Team Philips. Didn’t you read it? Haven’t you found it? Did you look for it? She has her own website. It’s easy to find. Is your internet connection broken? > > The Guamanian Kaya Taitano started this racist shit storm. > [@doorhinge](#): > > the Guamanian Kaya Taitano could be (I believe she should be) added to the list of defendants. Taitano doesn’t appear to have any money, or she may flee to Guam when a judgment is issued against her, so there is only a slim chance that she would actually be listed as a defendant. > > The lame stream media’s questionable reporting/claims didn’t appear out of thin air. The lame stream media’s reporting/claims began with the original twits, and video, from Guamanian Kaya Taitano. > [@doorhinge](#): > > I’m glad to hear that the Guamanian Kaya Taitano couldn’t escape justice by flee to Guam. > [@doorhinge](#): > > Issuing a $10K judgment against the Guamanian Kaya Taitano would be a good start. Is there a non-Guamanian person of the same name with whom you wish to avoid confusion? Or is there some other reason that compels you to keep referring to her ethnicity/place of origin? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/91 "2019-01-30T19:51:32Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Why should we take you word on anything based on your posts in this thread? Because I understand the incident? I’ve wasted too much time listening to news about this incident already. It was a school trip during MLK weekend. I assumed it’s purpose based on a life times experience. The purpose of the trip isn’t relevant to what happened. That’s why it wasn’t reported more prominently. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/92 "2019-01-30T20:13:30Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The purpose of the trip isn’t relevant to what happened. That’s why it wasn’t reported more prominently. I consider it worse to accost a random group of students minding their own business than to accost a group of people who are explicitly there as a hatemongering and apparently racist protest. (The “apparently racist” part comes from the MAGA business, which is widely regarded as a racist codeword.) Not that accosting is great in any regard, but it’s the difference between targeting combatants and noncombatants. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/93 "2019-01-30T20:41:55Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Is there a non-Guamanian person of the same name with whom you wish to avoid confusion? Or is there some other reason that compels you to keep referring to her ethnicity/place of origin? Do you know exactly who I am referring to when I post, “Guamanian Kaya Taitano”? If you are, I can see no reason for your whining? Are you suggesting that you are now the arbitrator of what can, and can not, be posted on this website? Maybe you’re confusing this site with your own website? Do you have a website? Maybe you’re overly concerned with my developing carpal tunnel syndrome. If that’s the reason, then I thank you for your concern. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/94 "2019-01-30T20:43:51Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Do you know exactly who I am referring to when I post, “Guamanian Kaya Taitano”? If you are, I can see no reason for your whining? Are you suggesting that you are now the arbitrator of what can, and can not, be posted on this website? Maybe you’re confusing this site with your own website? Do you have a website? Maybe you’re overly concerned with my developing carpal tunnel syndrome. If that’s the reason, then I thank you for your concern. You didn’t answer the question. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/95 "2019-01-30T20:44:30Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Do you know exactly who I am referring to when I post, “Guamanian Kaya Taitano”? If you are, I can see no reason for your whining? Are you suggesting that you are now the arbitrator of what can, and can not, be posted on this website? Maybe you’re confusing this site with your own website? Do you have a website? Maybe you’re overly concerned with my developing carpal tunnel syndrome. If that’s the reason, then I thank you for your concern. Just don’t get it wrong, or you might owe her $10,000. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/96 "2019-01-30T21:18:50Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > No school should send its students to participate in _any_ protest, given that they’re not all going to agree on whatever the issue is. If students want to protest and organize participation on their own, that’s fine. But they shouldn’t be sent by the school. I went to a Catholic school, (K-8) and for what it’s worth, our parish allowed the 8th graders to go along on its trip to the March for Life, if we wanted to. I didn’t go, but some of my friends did – mostly just to get out of class. I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case with a good many kids from various Catholic schools. (Most of them, in fact) ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/97 "2019-01-30T21:23:56Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > You didn’t answer the question. Yes, I did. I wanted you to know exactly who I was referring to. Maybe you’re still confused? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/98 "2019-01-30T21:27:35Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Just don’t get it wrong, or you might owe her $10,000. Do you think I slandered/libeled her by identifying her as a Guamanian? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/99 "2019-01-30T21:29:39Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Yes, I did. I wanted you to know exactly who I was referring to. Maybe you’re still confused? Actually you forgot to say this in your instantly-on-the-defensive-attack response, but whichever. You sort of implied it, kind of, but honestly your reaction was _so_ instantly-on-the-defensive-attack-y that it makes one, well, suspicious. But don’t worry, we don’t expect you to give any other explanation than that you were worried we might be confused about which Kaya Taitano you were referring to. Each time. Definitely might be a different Kaya Taitano the third time. Absolutely something we need to be clear about. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2019, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520/100 "2019-01-30T21:49:47Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > You didn’t answer the question. Fortunately, he doesn’t need to. We know as well as he does why he’s doing it, even if we aren’t at liberty in this thread to call it what it is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-hat-kid-hires-fancy-lawyer/828520.md?page=6)