# MAGA people ask "Will you take illegals into your house?"
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412
**Category:** Politics & Elections
**Created:** [July 21, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412 "2019-07-21T20:24:46Z")
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/1 "2019-07-21T20:24:46Z")
**MAGA people ask "Will you take illegals into your house?"**
The government is paying out between _$775 to $170 a DAY per person_ to put the asylum seekers into nasty concentration camps. Paid into the pockets of GOP cronies, of course.
For even the low rate, I’ll take two- _please_\*. Maybe more if they will scoop the litter boxes. Food, english lessons, cable TV, and clothes included. For $775 I will get another house or two, thankyouverymuch.
Helping my gardener out on Fridays is nice but optional.
- that’s over $10,000 a month.
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/2 "2019-07-21T22:12:13Z")
Here’s my budget I came up with a while back,when I found out that GOP linked companies were charging $750 per day to look after kids that had been taken away from their parents. The thinking was, that we needed to give these companies MORE money, because the kids had no toothpaste or other necessities, and more money would obviously fix that.
4 kids, one year, $750/day/kid
budget = $1,095,000
Rent of 6 bedroom house in El Paso:
- luxury home in Loretto/Radford
- 6 bedroom, 3.5 bathrooms
- Den, family room, fireplaces
Cul-de-sac close to schools
Fenced back yard with pool, sauna
Kitchen with granite counters, all stainless appliances = $3,000/month, $36,000 total
Salary – me, executive director of child procurement and oversight = $150,000
Assistant director and staff overseer (my spouse) = $75,000
Cook – I don’t like cooking. 20 hours/week @$30/hour = $31,200
Cleaning – I don’t like cleaning. 20 hours/week @$30/hour = $31,200
Gardening/pool maintenance – I will be too busy doing executive time (watching TV). 20 hours/week @$30/hour = $31,200
Nanny – someone needs to actually look after the kids. I’m busy doing… executive things. = $50,000
Nanny can stay in the 6th bedroom with an ensuite.
Psychologist/counselling. Probably a good thing for these kids $200/hour, 3 hours/week/child for one full year = $124,800. A big ticket item, but worth it, I think.
Private school tuition. I think they deserve this, right? $10,000 per child = $40,000
Music lessons, art lessons, swimming lessons… these things are good for kids. $5,000/kid = $20,000
Platinum family golf club membership at Painted Dunes in El Paso = $2400. Well worth it I say.
Set of clubs for me and spouse = $2400
Set of clubs for all 4 kids = $2000
Furniture for house:
Bedrooms @ $10,000 each = $60,000 Kids will have to make do with just a small TV in each of their private bedrooms
Living room = $15,000
Other rooms = $20,000
Food - average cost in USA is $2641 per person per year, so lets say $5000 = $30,000 including me and spouse.
Clothing, other costs per child = $10,000 each per child = $40,000. We can probably afford soap and toothpaste on that.
Utilities, other monthly incidentals = $2,000/month = $24,000
Cell phones for kids and me $300/month = $3600
Car. I”ll need a 7 passenger Range Rover discovery. = $80,000
Insurance, gas, etc. for car = $15,000
Restaurants Once/week for 5 people@$150 = $7,800
Holiday. Kids should go to Disneyland, right? Hotel and airfare = $7,000 Food = $2,000, Disney tickets = $5000 Souvenirs= $1000 total = $15,000
Christmas and birthday presents for kids = $5,000/kid = $20,000
GRAND TOTAL $929,600
Hmmmm. Better give myself a bonus. $150,000 bonus for doing such a good job.
Total = $ 1,079,600
You know what? I’m under budget. And between my spouse and I, we get to live in a house for free, free meals, and get $375,000 salary.
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/3 "2019-07-21T22:21:16Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> Here’s my budget I came up with a while back,when I found out that GOP linked companies were charging $750 per day to look after kids that had been taken away from their parents. The thinking was, that we needed to give these companies MORE money, because the kids had no toothpaste or other necessities, and more money would obviously fix that.
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> 4 kids, one year, $750/day/kid
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> budget = $1,095,000
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> …
> Salary – me, executive director of child procurement and oversight = $150,000
> Assistant director and staff overseer (my spouse) = $75,000
> …
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> Hmmmm. Better give myself a bonus. $150,000 bonus for doing such a good job.
> …
More or less how trumps cronies are doing it, except paying themselves 1,000,000, and expenses- a guy with a gun- 90000. Food, sanitary, tent, etc are about $5000.
Not only are they building concentration camps, but they are over-charging American taxpayers to do it. Even Albert Speer didnt think of that. The GOP is out-Naziing the actual Nazis. :eek:
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### Author:  [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2019, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/4 "2019-07-21T22:21:46Z")
> [@DrDeth](#):
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> **MAGA people ask “Will you take illegals into your house?”**
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> The government is paying out between _$775 to $170 a DAY per person_ to put the asylum seekers into nasty concentration camps. Paid into the pockets of GOP cronies, of course.
>
> For even the low rate, I’ll take two- _please_\*. Maybe more if they will scoop the litter boxes. Food, english lessons, cable TV, and clothes included. For $775 I will get another house or two, thankyouverymuch.
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> Helping my gardener out on Fridays is nice but optional.
>
> - that’s over $10,000 a month.
Hell, I’d do it for the low low rate of $770/day and save the taxpayers $5/day.
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2019, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/5 "2019-07-21T22:43:52Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#):
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> Hell, I’d do it for the low low rate of $770/day and save the taxpayers $5/day.
Ha! My budget above already undercut you. I"m at $740/day. That’s why I’m worth the $150,000 bonus!
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### Author:  [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2019, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/6 "2019-07-21T22:55:23Z")
> [@DrDeth](#):
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> More or less how trumps cronies are doing it, except paying themselves 1,000,000, and expenses- a guy with a gun- 90000. Food, sanitary, tent, etc are about $5000.
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> Not only are they building concentration camps, but they are over-charging American taxpayers to do it. Even Albert Speer didnt think of that. The GOP is out-Naziing the actual Nazis. :eek:
Where Putin improved on the authoritarian model is his understanding that you have to create oligarchs. The oligarchs get wildly rich from the plums handed them by the head of government. They want to remain wildly rich. So they support that head of government with propaganda and muscle, as needed.
The Nazis did ally themselves with the German industrialists of the day, but they clearly didn’t go far enough in the oligarch-creation direction.
But the Trump enablers know that spreading the privatization-plums around is the way to stay in power. And they are going at it hammer and tongs.
The idiot taxpayers who support their beloved bully see nothing and wouldn’t say anything if they did, of course. They’d lose their bully!
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### Author:  [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/7 "2019-07-22T00:56:09Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#):
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> Where Putin improved on the authoritarian model is his understanding that you have to create oligarchs. The oligarchs get wildly rich from the plums handed them by the head of government. They want to remain wildly rich. So they support that head of government with propaganda and muscle, as needed.
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> The Nazis did ally themselves with the German industrialists of the day, but they clearly didn’t go far enough in the oligarch-creation direction.
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> But the Trump enablers know that spreading the privatization-plums around is the way to stay in power. And they are going at it hammer and tongs.
>
> …
Yep, their noses are deep in the trough, so why would they want to upset it?
It’s odd, trump isn’t a nazi. He’s a _super nazi,_ he’s learned from Hitlers mistakes.
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### Author:  [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/8 "2019-07-22T01:39:04Z")
> [@DrDeth](#):
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> **MAGA people ask “Will you take illegals into your house?”**
Then I will ask them “Will you take non-aborted babies into your house?” :dubious:
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/9 "2019-07-22T01:55:24Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> Then I will ask them “Will you take non-aborted babies into your house?” :dubious:
MAGAbot: No, because everyone knows fetuses are people and illegals are not.
:rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/10 "2019-07-22T09:44:54Z")
I think the question is meant to ask if you will support the “illegals” on your own. They aren’t asking liberals if they will will bilk the hapless taxpayer out of thousands of dollars. That question answers itself.
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/11 "2019-07-22T09:50:57Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#):
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> I think the question is meant to ask if you will support the “illegals” on your own. They aren’t asking liberals if they will will bilk the hapless taxpayer out of thousands of dollars. That question answers itself.
But it’s perfectly OK for conservatives to do the same, right?
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### Author:  [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/12 "2019-07-22T11:42:25Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#):
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> I think the question is meant to ask if you will support the “illegals” on your own. They aren’t asking liberals if they will will bilk the hapless taxpayer out of thousands of dollars. That question answers itself.
Conservatives are more likely than liberals to knowingly employ “illegals”, so there’s that. It ain’t us bringing undocumented workers into the country; we’re just saying they should be treated humanely once they’re here and that more people who are willing to play by the rules should be allowed to come here and stay here legally, which is a position that until recently was supported by a fair number of Republicans.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/13 "2019-07-22T12:19:09Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#):
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> I think the question is meant to ask if you will support the “illegals” on your own. They aren’t asking liberals if they will will bilk the hapless taxpayer out of thousands of dollars. That question answers itself.
I know this isn’t a concept libertarians have an easy time with, but the discussion isn’t about how individuals should solve the problem but about how society should approach the situation. Folks who support what our government is doing are 100% supporting a big-government taxpayer-funded solution. Nothing in this situation is libertarian.
Edit: it does point to an alternative question, which is whether the MAGA-hats are willing to jail the immigrants on their own. It’s a stupid goddamn question, but so is the one the MAGA-hats are asking of folks who thumbs-down concentration camps.
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/14 "2019-07-22T12:41:41Z")
ISTM that libertarians are being hypocritical in not advocating that people just go where they want. If people from Honduras can find work here, why not (from a libertarian perspective) let them live and work here?
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### Author:  [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/15 "2019-07-22T12:45:27Z")
> [@running\_coach](#):
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> But it’s perfectly OK for conservatives to do the same, right?
Is this a serious question?
> [@asahi](#):
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> Conservatives are more likely than liberals to knowingly employ “illegals”, so there’s that.
Of course they are. Conservatives should believe in free markets. Also IME, ideological liberals have very little contact with minorities.
Is this something you have a problem with? I ask because some progressives, like Bernie Sanders, believe open borders is a Koch brothers conspiracy.
> [@](#):
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> It ain’t us bringing undocumented workers into the country; we’re just saying they should be treated humanely once they’re here and that more people who are willing to play by the rules should be allowed to come here and stay here legally, which is a position that until recently was supported by a fair number of Republicans.
Yes and some conservatives would like to know if you would put some skin in the game in order for all of these wonderful things to happen to the migrants. That is the genesis of the question of the OP.
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#):
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> I know this isn’t a concept libertarians have an easy time with, but the discussion isn’t about how individuals should solve the problem but about how society should approach the situation. Folks who support what our government is doing are 100% supporting a big-government taxpayer-funded solution. Nothing in this situation is libertarian.
Nobody said anything about liberty, don’t worry. The question posed in the OP was intended to see if progressives are willing to put some skin in the game. No surprise that they are not. In fact, they threw a little tantrum when Trump said he’d send the migrants to sanctuary cities.
> [@](#):
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> Edit: it does point to an alternative question, which is whether the MAGA-hats are willing to jail the immigrants on their own. It’s a stupid goddamn question, but so is the one the MAGA-hats are asking of folks who thumbs-down concentration camps.
I don’t know about jailing them, but there were some militia out there doing something, but the liberals threw a fit about it.
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### Author:  [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/16 "2019-07-22T12:47:57Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> ISTM that libertarians are being hypocritical in not advocating that people just go where they want. If people from Honduras can find work here, why not (from a libertarian perspective) let them live and work here?
There are some libertarians who disagree with my open borders position, yes. But it is a little more complex than someone not at all familiar with libertarianism can explain in two sentences.
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### Author:  [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/17 "2019-07-22T13:12:12Z")
It’s a great excuse for any public servant who screws up. Just point at someone in the general public and tell them to do your job for free.
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### Author:  [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/18 "2019-07-22T14:32:18Z")
> [@guizot](#):
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> It’s a great excuse for any public servant who screws up. Just point at someone in the general public and tell them to do your job for free.
Except it’s not public servants doing the pointing. In fact, the “public servants” would be out of a job if migrants were supported by civil society and not government.
The migrants would receive better treatment.
The anti-migrant crowd would have much less to complain about.
Liberals would be blessed by their gods for selfless acts.
Seems like a win-win-win.
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/19 "2019-07-22T14:37:37Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#):
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> it is a little more complex than someone not at all familiar with libertarianism can explain in two sentences.
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you were “someone not at all familiar with libertarianism.” But now that I know that’s the case, I’ll give you a pass on trying to explain it.
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### Author:  [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)
#### Post date: [July 22, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maga-people-ask-will-you-take-illegals-into-your-house/837412/20 "2019-07-22T14:46:45Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#):
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> ideological liberals have very little contact with minorities.
> …
> some progressives, like Bernie Sanders, believe open borders is a Koch brothers conspiracy.
> …
> Yes and some conservatives would like to know if you would put some skin in the game in order for all of these wonderful things to happen to the migrants.
> …
> Nobody said anything about liberty, don’t worry. The question posed in the OP was intended to see if progressives are willing to put some skin in the game. No surprise that they are not. In fact, they threw a little tantrum when Trump said he’d send the migrants to sanctuary cities.
> …
> the liberals threw a fit about it.
You have very stupid ideas about liberals and progressives.
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