# magellan01 - epitome of racist Republican **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975 "2014-03-18T02:08:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/181 "2014-03-19T21:00:33Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > That’s an unfair and unsupportable statement. Maybe you could say alot of Republicans are racists, but it’s not quite “typical.” You simply don’t have enough evidence to accuse millions of people of all being racists. No, its typical. There’s a lot of evidence to support that, from elected officials mouthing off about people with big calves, to their constituents like magellan talking about dumb black people, to their horribly non-inclusive policies that force blacks and other minorities into more restricted voting schedules. By themselves, each one of those things are bad, but all together and happening for decades it establishes the GOP as a party of racists. In the other topic, I touched upon how the party can be racist even though some individuals are not. This thing you do defending them only serves to address one possible path of racism and that is if their membership is majority racist. It doesn’t address how supposedly non-racist members of their party do not do much to fight back against it, or that the GOP consistently puts out racist platforms and bills. > [@magellan01](#): > > And now it’s time for you to put on your big boy pants and defend this. Please be specific and not lame, like the **Second Stone’s** latest attempt. Let’s see what you got. The posts quoting your words, along with the ones in the OP, already prove this. Its not my job to convince you of that, and you’re too stupid to be convinced anyways. Its my job to warn others about you so they won’t be taken in by your pretend bullshit ignorance stance. But you already knew that. Instead, I’ll ask you to consider something. Consider that blacks, in general, are smarter than you, and that you’re wrong regarding any kind of Democratic brainwashing scheme. Instead consider that you just don’t get it. Now try to look at it from their point of view, believe what they do, and act as they do and vote democratic. The world would be better off. People would be richer. You would be happier. So go out and do that. Its not too late for you ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/182 "2014-03-19T21:11:35Z")
[The Pub who called the ACA a “tar baby” apologizes.](http://www.salon.com/2014/03/19/gop_lawmaker_frank_ruff_apologizes_for_calling_obamacare_a_tar_baby/) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/183 "2014-03-19T21:26:53Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [The Pub who called the ACA a “tar baby” apologizes.](http://www.salon.com/2014/03/19/gop_lawmaker_frank_ruff_apologizes_for_calling_obamacare_a_tar_baby/) I don’t understand this paragraph from the article: > [@](#): > > As TIME explained in 2006, while the term “tar baby” can mean “sticky situation,” it also was used in 19th century Uncle Remus African American folklore stories. Those tales are told from the perspective of rural blacks living in post-Reconstruction South. …yeah, it was used in 19th century Uncle Remus African American folklore stories to mean “sticky situation.” It wasn’t a racist term just because it may have started with 19th century blacks. This is like saying “Though the Yiddish phrase _X_ can mean _Y_, it was also used by Jews imprisoned in Nazi concentration camps”, and expecting the reader to react negatively, even though the Jews were mundanely using _X_ to mean, well, _Y_. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/184 "2014-03-19T21:39:34Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > No, its typical. There’s a lot of evidence to support that, from elected officials mouthing off about people with big calves, to their constituents like magellan talking about dumb black people, to their horribly non-inclusive policies that force blacks and other minorities into more restricted voting schedules. By themselves, each one of those things are bad, but all together and happening for decades it establishes the GOP as a party of racists. I hope you don’t have any weekend plans, **YogSosoth** - this might take a while! On the other hand, I can imagine getting hours of entertainment from **lance strongarm** vs. **The Second Stone**. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/185 "2014-03-19T21:47:22Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Neither Wilson nor I have ever said that all funding to churches or charities has gone to illegal immigrants, and your suggestion that we did is preposterous. Then it doesn’t make sense, because all your link does is suggest that there’s a possibility an illegal immigrant might someday go to a health care facility that the ACA provided some amount of funding too. That doesn’t show that Obama lied one iota. > [@](#): > > Obama claimed that none of the funding would go to illegal immigrants. He was lying, because it has. That’s not what he claimed, and even if it was, your cite is specious. By the logic of your cite, every time a library is funded, illegal immigrants are funded. Every time a bridge or a highway is funded, illegal immigrants are funded. It’s just ridiculous, and you know it. Are you even capable of admitting you’re wrong? Because this strikes me as a pretty good time. It’s just not reasonable to claim that because a health care facility that illegal immigrants _may_ go to get care gets some money from the ACA, that the ACA funds illegal immigrants. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/186 "2014-03-19T21:53:09Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > No, its typical. There’s a lot of evidence to support that, from elected officials mouthing off about people with big calves, to their constituents like magellan talking about dumb black people, to their horribly non-inclusive policies that force blacks and other minorities into more restricted voting schedules. By themselves, each one of those things are bad, but all together and happening for decades it establishes the GOP as a party of racists. No, it doesn’t do that. There are MILLIONS of Republicans. Those who you accuse of racism might disagree, if you gave them the chance. And they might point to explicit policies or statements denouncing racism. There’s no question that racism is a problem in the GOP. But branding the entire party as "racist’ is absurd. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/187 "2014-03-19T21:58:25Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Amnesty comes to mind. You can choose to make it more difficult and punitive if you want, but I’m not especially persuaded of the benefit of doing so. So we say “amnesty this time, but never never again! We’re serious this time!” ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/188 "2014-03-19T21:59:52Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > …yeah, it was used in 19th century Uncle Remus African American folklore stories to mean “sticky situation.” It wasn’t a racist term just because it may have started with 19th century blacks. The article didn’t say that. It just explained the origin. It’s past usage that makes it possible to use it without racist intent. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/189 "2014-03-19T22:01:38Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > My recollection is a bit fuzzy, but people had pointed out that the bill, as written, would in fact result in funds going to illegal immigrants. They wanted to eliminate that possibility. But the Dems didn’t want to make the change. So, it was not the expressed intent of the bill (supposedly, anyway), but it was a glitch in the way it was written. Still, the result was known beforehand and the administration didn’t take the steps to correct it. So, Joe Wilson was technically correct. Obama knew the reality yet speechified otherwise. I don’t think this excuses what Wilson did, but he was correct. That’s how I remember it anyway. Your fuzzy memory isn’t worth much in this debate though. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/190 "2014-03-19T22:03:32Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > We’re still talking about those free clinics right? So some Republicans wanted those free clinics to start checking immigration status as a condition of receiving funding (imagine that, now every poor person has to prove their citizenship before receiving free health care at a clinic, doctors literally have to turn away the sick until they can prove their citizenship) and the Democrats said “OMFG and YOU’RE the party that thinks over-regulation is a problem???!!!fuckityfuck fuck??!!!” Yep, and then there is that cite from Michelle Malkin… There is a thread going on in GD about that old “will someone think of the children” red herring. It is clear that if children are not involved it is indeed a red herring, and this is a case were indeed it is proper to mention it. Michelle Malakin does not deserve to call herself a human being. She completely left that inconvenient part that in Oregon it was deemed proper to offer state health care to expectant mothers, that is:\*\* future Americans\*\*. There is no reason for the state to not put those expectant mothers back into the state program also. And there is no reason why I should not assume that Michelle Malkin had dark and misleading intentions when she “forgot” to tell her readers the whole history. She is such a tool that even Rationalwiki has an entry on her trolling. > **[Michelle Malkin](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michelle_Malkin)** > > Michelle Malkin (1970–) is a particularly vile far-right US political pundit. And to merit the qualification "particularly vile" in the august company of Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage is truly awe-inspiring. > [@](#): > > Stance on immigration > > Michelle follows the typical nationalist views on immigration; lock 'em up or kick 'em out. She is associated with the nativist website VDARE, who must be thrilled to have an actual minority on hand. She has a particular obsession with “anchor babies,” children born to immigrants in the United States. She is adamant that the laws that allow foreign parents of American-born children to gain citizenship should be changed immediately.[18] Interestingly enough, Malkin’s own parents were immigrants from the Philippines. In other words, Michelle Malkin is an anchor baby, by her own definition.[19] Irony meter full. > > This user finds it odd that she hasn’t put herself immediately at the front of the deportation line, but this user isn’t really surprised at her hypocrisy. And, oh yeah, to show the nativist “fake environmentalist” connections that Malakin also has, she denies the human pollution that is causing global warming. You can indeed see the dark bubble of information the ones indirectly defending the target of the pit rely on. > **[Dog whistle nativism](http://dailydoubt.blogspot.com/2007/10/dog-whistle-nativism.html)** > > As I was sitting here yesterday staring in disbelief at Tom Tancredo's odd statement that global warming (if true) means we should reduce i... > [@](#): > > As I was sitting here yesterday staring in disbelief at Tom Tancredo’s odd statement that global warming (if true) means we should reduce immigration (and that the Sierra Club should be advocating that) I started to suspect that he was making some kind of dog whistle reference that nativists are familiar with. > > The notion that immigrants increase national pollution reminded me of the nativist belief that immigrants are bringing disease to America. Both beliefs fit well into the xenophobic/proto-fascist view of immigrants/foreigners/an internal enemy as an infection in the body politic, so I did a Google search and turned up this Carrying Capacity Network article about immigration increasing pollution which seems to be an attempt to dress up nativist racism in pseduo-academic garb. > > I went to the CCN homepage and noticed (among the other bits of xenophobic hysteria) an article about a possible “epidemic” resulting from immigration. This kind of stuff is standard in anti-immigrant racist propaganda. > > Then I found that a few years ago a group with alleged ties to white supremacist groups had tried to take over the Sierra Club in order to make reducing immigration one of it goals. That struggle to take over the Sierra club with racist elements failed. But it still spawned many fake environmentalists attempting to “spread the word”. It was and is prejudice with another name. > [@](#): > > It’s also a bit ironic to see that VDare - the anti-immigration site which runs Michelle Malkin’s column - helped recruit members to join the Sierra Club and support the SUSPS - a group which has formed an alliance with eco-terrorist Paul Watson who is also trying to subvert the organization for ideological reasons - given that Malkin likes to stereotype environmentalists as being or supporting eco-terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/191 "2014-03-19T22:06:51Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > My recollection is a bit fuzzy, but people had pointed out that the bill, as written, would in fact result in funds going to illegal immigrants. They wanted to eliminate that possibility. But the Dems didn’t want to make the change. So, it was not the expressed intent of the bill (supposedly, anyway), but it was a glitch in the way it was written. Still, the result was known beforehand and the administration didn’t take the steps to correct it. So, Joe Wilson was technically correct. Obama knew the reality yet speechified otherwise. I don’t think this excuses what Wilson did, but he was correct. That’s how I remember it anyway. You remember it wrong, as we’ve shown. Even the cite offered by **Shodan** only claimed that there is a possibility that illegal immigrants may go to a health care facility that receives funds from the ACA. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/192 "2014-03-19T22:51:06Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > No, it doesn’t do that. There are MILLIONS of Republicans. Those who you accuse of racism might disagree, if you gave them the chance. And they might point to explicit policies or statements denouncing racism. > > There’s no question that racism is a problem in the GOP. But branding the entire party as "racist’ is absurd. Doesn’t matter, those millions vote for the policies put out by the few Republicans on record as saying racist things and promoting a racist agenda. And as we all know, no matter how bad one of the big 2 parties are, there’s about a 20-30% population that will vote for them. I think somebody called it the Crazy factor. So we can definitively say that a full 20% of the voting population is racist since they continue to vote for the GOP despite all the racist things coming out of that party for the last few decades. And given that the GOP gets about 47% percent of the voting population (thanks Mitt!), then I can say for sure that about two thirds of GOP voters are racist ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/193 "2014-03-19T22:58:06Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Doesn’t matter, those millions vote for the policies put out by the few Republicans on record as saying racist things and promoting a racist agenda. Every Republican votes for racist candidates? You’ve proven that all these candidates are racist? And you applied reasonable standards for racism, rather than the absurd standards typically applied today by liberals, including here? (I speak as a liberal myself). No. You haven’t even begun to make a case. Your standards are incredibly low. It’s shit. Seriously, by WAY overstating your case, all you do is draw attention away from the real, actual racists in the GOP. There are more than enough to hurt the party as a whole, you don’t need to help them. Let them hang themselves. > [@](#): > > And as we all know, no matter how bad one of the big 2 parties are, there’s about a 20-30% population that will vote for them. I think somebody called it the Crazy factor. Oh, yes, the Crazy factor, established in a comprehensive study by Dr. Raymond Crazy that examined voting patterns in hundreds of elections and proved this. :smack: > [@](#): > > So we can definitively say that a full 20% of the voting population is racist since they continue to vote for the GOP despite all the racist things coming out of that party for the last few decades. Because you pulled some numbers out of your ass? And let’s look at this - you’ve gone from “the party is racist” to “20% of the part is racist.” Did you even notice yourself sliding? > [@](#): > > And given that the GOP gets about 47% percent of the voting population (thanks Mitt!), then I can say for sure that about two thirds of GOP voters are racist God, this is so profoundly stupid I don’t know what else to say. You are just making up shit. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/194 "2014-03-19T23:08:09Z")
Reading comprehension is a bear when you’re in a froth, eh **lance**? ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/195 "2014-03-19T23:12:07Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Reading comprehension is a bear when you’re in a froth, eh **lance**? If you have something to add, please try. Otherwise, I’m not interested. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/196 "2014-03-19T23:12:36Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You are, unsurprisingly, not making a lot of sense. That what I say doesn’t make sense to you is indeed unsurprising. You’re the biggest blindest partisan these boards currently know, yet you feel qualified to judge other people’s partisanship constantly. So no, I’m not particularly worried by the cognitive dissonance you might experience. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/197 "2014-03-19T23:25:52Z")
Ok, since you ask. > [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Every Republican votes for racist candidates? That’s not what **YogSosoth** said. > [@](#): > > Oh, yes, the Crazy factor, established in a comprehensive study by Dr. Raymond Crazy that examined voting patterns in hundreds of elections and proved this. :smack: Actually, it’s [crazification factor](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crazification_factor). You’re welcome to disagree with it, but it’s a thing [ETA: that is, not something **YS** just made up]. > [@](#): > > And let’s look at this - you’ve gone from “the party is racist” to “20% of the part is racist.” And again, that’s not that **YogSosoth** said. . ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/198 "2014-03-19T23:45:32Z")
> [@andros](#): > > That’s not what **YogSosoth** said. I’ll discuss that with him. > [@](#): > > Actually, it’s [crazification factor](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crazification_factor). You’re welcome to disagree with it, but it’s a thing [ETA: that is, not something **YS** just made up]. Yeah - some blogger just made it up! LOL! > [@](#): > > And again, that’s not that **YogSosoth** said. > . Hey, how about you explain what you think he said. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/199 "2014-03-19T23:53:00Z")
:sigh: Really? You can’t scroll upwards and see that what he actually said and what you _claim_ he said are not the same thing? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/200 "2014-03-19T23:53:55Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Yeah - some blogger just made it up! LOL! Actually the numbers came from the senate election of Obama vs. Alan Keyes. It has been seen mostly as a very clever theorem by many, but there are more serious political writers that wonder if that was more than just an observation applicable only to Illinois. [http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2014\_02/today\_in\_stupid049099.php](http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2014_02/today_in_stupid049099.php) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=11)