# magellan01 - epitome of racist Republican **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975 "2014-03-18T02:08:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2014, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/361 "2014-03-22T05:32:46Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I agree that their treating you well is EVIDENCE that they’re not racist, but it’s only evidence, not proof. Yes, agreed. But isn’t evidence what the post I replied to asked for? > [@YogSosoth](#): > > Consider that you’re wrong and the GOP is a racist party. What behaviors and evidence would they exhibit different from what they are now? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2014, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/362 "2014-03-22T05:36:20Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Did you tell them you voted for Obama or were at least thinking about it? They might not have said anything racist, but they wouldn’t have been as welcoming. But in all fairness, I used to be active as a Democrat, and even slightly supportive comments about Republicans will get someone the cold shoulder. Oh, I got a huge raft of shit for that. “Welcoming,” does not mean universal acceptance of every single syllable out of my mouth. My anti-death-penalty stance also produces vigorous dissent. But the atmosphere was welcoming, and still is. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2014, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/363 "2014-03-22T05:37:28Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Maybe they think Bricker’s “one of the good ones.” Maybe they think I’m Scottish, and take sugar in my porridge. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2014, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/364 "2014-03-22T05:45:16Z")
So if immigration policy ever comes up in discussion, Bricker, do you get the impression they feel uncomfortable talking about it in front of you? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2014, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/365 "2014-03-22T05:52:49Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Did you tell them you voted for Obama or were at least thinking about it? They might not have said anything racist, but they wouldn’t have been as welcoming. But in all fairness, I used to be active as a Democrat, and even slightly supportive comments about Republicans will get someone the cold shoulder. > > I know a lot of Republicans who are definitely not racist. I also know a lot who are. The non-racist ones are appalled at what their party has become and are thinking of leaving. Just anecdotal and not a sample. When did they join the Republican party? 1955? But to be fair, a lot of it is regional. Republicans in NYC vote Republican locally and Democrat nationally. That’s how you end up with Republican NYC mayors for 20 years while voting overwhelmingly Democrat during Presidential elections. A lot of Republicans try to ignore the tolerance (to a point) of racism in their party and try to focus on taxes/entitlements or abortion/gay marriage, but they can’t win national elections without the racists so they tolerate them and in some cases blow dog whistles at them. It is the price of power. I think it is dawning on some Republicans that they the racists are hurting them more than helping them in national elections but they can’t figure out how to disentangle them from the racists without losing a shitload of local elections, they don’t want to take that long walk in the desert that they barely averted after Bush. They remember what it was like being the perpetual minority party and they don’t remember it fondly. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2014, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/366 "2014-03-22T10:34:35Z")
Why, oh why does anyone attempt to discusss anything with magellan? My [first experience with his “style”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6423800&postcount=549) brought me to this conclusion: > [@](#): > > Ah, I get it now, magellan. You’re not trying to prove anything; you’re merely tossing out charges–inaccurate assertions, actually–and expecting the rest of us to accept them willy nilly. I don’t recall seeing any change in his method. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2014, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/367 "2014-03-22T11:15:57Z")
See, what’s weird, **Monty** , is how you appear to think this thread is about **magellan01**. I guess the title threw you off the scent. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2014, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/368 "2014-03-22T12:19:49Z")
I’m not going to bother searching the whole thread as I’ll get a million hits, I’m just wondering if **magellan** ’s brought up the standard “racial isn’t racist” shibboleth again? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2014, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/369 "2014-03-22T12:41:57Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You poor dear, let me get you a cup of tea, you must be at the end of your tether. > > Know what? That \*does \*make him, if not the epitome, then at least an exemplar of racist Republicans. OP QED. 😕 Epitome and exemplar are synonyms, though. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2014, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/370 "2014-03-22T14:06:16Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So if immigration policy ever comes up in discussion, Bricker, do you get the impression they feel uncomfortable talking about it in front of you? No. The only time I ever got the slightest hint of something similar was several years ago when an “English only,” requirement for state forms/driving tests was being discussed and I got the sense of “OK, I know how you probably feel,” before I offered up any indication of how I felt. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2014, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/371 "2014-03-22T14:36:29Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’m active in my local and state GOP party, and am Hispanic. If they were a racist party, I would not have been welcomed as warmly as I was. For the life of me, I can’t fathom why anyone might think the underlined sentence here to be true. The GOP obviously should be, and is, _delighted_ when non-whites, or victims of GOP policies, join it. They’ve gone out of their way to appoint Blacks to high positions, including the Supreme Court. Blacks and Hispanics are welcomed to the GOP with the same eager hospitality as [lawyers are welcomed to heaven](http://www.jokes4us.com/lawyerjokes/lawyerinheavenjoke.html). ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2014, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/372 "2014-03-22T21:03:22Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > 😕 > > Epitome and exemplar are synonyms, though. Not quite, and the difference is crucial. Better check your dictionary. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/373 "2014-03-24T17:10:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, agreed. > > But isn’t evidence what the post I replied to asked for? I don’t think you answered the question at all ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/374 "2014-03-24T18:03:47Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > I don’t think you answered the question at all Sure I did. You asked, “Consider that you’re wrong and the GOP is a racist party. What behaviors and evidence would they exhibit different from what they are now?” My answer was that a racist party would probably not be welcoming to a Hispanic as a member, all things being equal. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/375 "2014-03-24T18:22:44Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > My answer was that a racist party would probably not be welcoming to a Hispanic as a member, all things being equal. I refuted this above. I guess the GOP welcomes Hispanics who are unable to read. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/376 "2014-03-24T19:02:05Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I refuted this above. I guess the GOP welcomes Hispanics who are unable to read. :rolleyes: No, you didn’t refute it. You did offer an potential explanation. But you’ll notice that despite your compelling logic, the KKK does not welcome Hispanics or blacks to their ranks. So your comment is obviously not true for all racist organizations. It might, or might not, be true for the GOP, but it’s simply your conjecture and not a refutation. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/377 "2014-03-24T19:20:24Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, you didn’t refute it. > > You did offer an potential explanation. But you’ll notice that despite your compelling logic, the KKK does not welcome Hispanics or blacks to their ranks. So your comment is obviously not true for all racist organizations. It might, or might not, be true for the GOP, but it’s simply your conjecture and not a refutation. No one’s interested in your semantic games or jury-bamboozling rhetoric. It would amuse us to know if you’re capable of learning, or of changing your stupid opinions. Do you still idolize Karl Rove? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/378 "2014-03-24T19:30:19Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > No, you didn’t refute it. > > You did offer an potential explanation. But you’ll notice that despite your compelling logic, the KKK does not welcome Hispanics or blacks to their ranks. So your comment is obviously not true for all racist organizations. It might, or might not, be true for the GOP, but it’s simply your conjecture and not a refutation. This is but one example of an attitude displayed by many on theses boards. People conflate a response that disagrees with a particular point with a post that proves that the position is wrong or invalid. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/379 "2014-03-24T20:00:38Z")
Wow, **magellan01** found the thread. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2014, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/380 "2014-03-24T20:02:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Sure I did. You asked, “Consider that you’re wrong and the GOP is a racist party. What behaviors and evidence would they exhibit different from what they are now?” > > My answer was that a racist party would probably not be welcoming to a Hispanic as a member, all things being equal. You didn’t consider it. You stuck with the premise that the GOP is not racist and used yourself to explain it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=20)