# magellan01 - epitome of racist Republican **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975 "2014-03-18T02:08:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/421 "2014-03-26T16:40:14Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > More good examples of irrational hatred, agreed. Do you really not get that there is a fundamental philosophical divide in the country that Obama has sharpened. And that philosophical positions really, really can matter to people? > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You’re definitely on a roll. Scoff, if you must. But many Americans were embarrassed by his actions. And seems inappropriate to boot. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Absolutely, because the folks who criticize his alignment with Wright have never themselves supported politicians aligned with insanely terrible preachers. Nah, kidding, you’re right that the double standard here is so transparent that it falls into the “irrational hatred” category. HA! “Aligned with”? Are you fucking kidding me? You might as well argue that they merely happened to live in the same state. Please. They were close. For many years. And then, when the associations and the substance of Jeremiah Wright became known, Obama felt compelled to do what he must, the honorable thing, because he “could no more disavow Jeremiah Wright as he could his own grandmother”. Cut to a week or two down the road: “Oh, what’s that, this is killing me in the polls? Okay, fuck him. Next.” > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Compared to Bush? Hahahaha! Actually, no, I didn’t compare him to Bush. You might want to ask yourself why you felt compelled to do so. You are just making my point for me. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/422 "2014-03-26T16:41:11Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Let’s deal with reality and ignore the sounds in your head, shall we? Here is the substance of your cite: > > Here rate the points one by one: > > 1. dissolution of the family > > 2. poor supervision of kids in school > > 3. growing up without acquiring marketable skills > > 4. poor reading skills > > 5. poor speaking skills (outside of their particular sub-culture) > > 6. visible tattoos on the neck > > So, let me ask you: do you think that any of these are NOT things that hold kids back? Do you think that any of these things that are things that should NOT be addressed? Do you think that any of these thinks are not, at the least, net negatives for Black youth? > > Please, do explain. Please be specific so I can at least see what you see. They would be negative for any youth, not just black. And they are negative things for all youth, it is a general cultural increase in all these things. But I don’t blame black youth or their parents for these trends. Guess who I blame? Republicans. Yes, Republicans for not keeping funding for schools and attacking it at every opportunity since Prop 13 in California in the late 70s (although I support Prop 13 on its own merits). Music classes, sports teams, first class facilities. We should frankly spend as much per capita on students as we do on prisoners. That is, $40,000 per year. Okay, that is too much. But if we had nice schools that spent $15,000 per year per student we would be sending them a message that is utterly different than the run down facilities inadequately staffed that they have now: that they are important. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/423 "2014-03-26T16:44:22Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > O’Reilly says black families are in dissolution, he says black parents don’t properly supervise children, he says black people grow up with no skills and cannot read or speak, he says black people have neck tattoos, he says black people can’t compete in the marketplace… > > And you’re asking us to explain why it’s objectionable? Perhaps you’d like to simply answer the questions I specifically asked. If you just want to say it’s objectionable to even bring this stuff up and call O’Reilly a racist for doing so, and never state the problem so nothing can ever be done about them, You are making O’Reilly’s point for him So, please do address the questions I asked in the post you responded to above. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/424 "2014-03-26T16:47:48Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Perhaps you’d like to simply answer the questions I specifically asked. If you just want to say it’s objectionable to even bring this stuff up and call O’Reilly a racist for doing so, and never state the problem so nothing can ever be done about them, You are making O’Reilly’s point for him > > So, please do address the questions I asked in the post you responded to above. I’ll answer – those things are bad, for any kids. But O’Reilly didn’t ask that question – O’Reilly said black families are in dissolution, he said black parents don’t properly supervise children, he said black people grow up with no skills and cannot read or speak, he said black people have neck tattoos, and he said black people can’t compete in the marketplace. Do you object to what O’Reilly said, or do you think it’s okay to say that black people don’t properly supervise children, etc.? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/425 "2014-03-26T17:28:27Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Do you really not get that there is a fundamental philosophical divide in the country that Obama has sharpened. Yes, there is; no, he has not. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/426 "2014-03-26T17:30:12Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Perhaps you’d like to simply answer the questions I specifically asked. If you just want to say it’s objectionable to even bring this stuff up and call O’Reilly a racist for doing so, and never state the problem so nothing can ever be done about them, You are making O’Reilly’s point for him > > So, please do address the questions I asked in the post you responded to above. You cannot dissociate yourself from racism by defending it, **mag.** You are making that point for the rest of us, repeatedly, but you still seem incapable of getting it yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/427 "2014-03-26T17:56:38Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > On a a very fundamental philosophical level, he is at odds with a good portion of the country. His “spread the wealth around” and “you didn’t build that” notions, for many people runs against the grain of their feelings about the country. His inappropriate bowing to leaders and his Apology Tour had the same effect. His alignment with Jeremiah Wright and his insistence that the man is too close to him to throw under the bus, just before he threw him under the bus, spoke doubly ill of him. He’s a smart guy, but was unprepared for the job. If it weren’t for the backlash after George Bush there is no way he would have been elected. Maybe later. And then we have is blatant, flagrant lying about the ACA. > > There are plenty of rational reasons to attack our Distributor in Chief. Why are you repeating the “you didn’t build that” lie? Are you actually so stupid you believed the GOP when they spoon fed you that lie? Or are you such a cowardly bitch that you’re knowingly using a lie to make a point? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/428 "2014-03-26T18:06:00Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I’ll answer – those things are bad, for any kids. But O’Reilly didn’t ask that question – O’Reilly said black families are in dissolution, he said black parents don’t properly supervise children, he said black people grow up with no skills and cannot read or speak, he said black people have neck tattoos, and he said black people can’t compete in the marketplace. Huh? He was talking about Black youth, those poor Black kids that mostly live in inner cities. And the reasons why they are not doing well. He identified the smaller problems that create the larger one. What in the world is wrong with that? I’d say it’;s the responsible thing to do. You can’t fix something unless you know what it is you’re trying to fix. Seriously, what is wrong with that? You’re not making any sense. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do you object to what O’Reilly said, or do you think it’s okay to say that black people don’t properly supervise children, etc.? I do not object one iota. He’s pointing to reality. His point is that the dissolution of the family is taking it’s toll on the kids. That Black families, writ large, are unable to supervise their children as well as they could with families intact. Do you actually dispute this. Do you dispute that many inner city schools are not good places of learning because the kids are not well-behaved students and that the schools cannot create the environment that would be most conducive to learning? What he said aligns largely with the comments Bill Cosby made a few years ago. No, please, I ask you again, go back to that post you responded to and answer each of the questions specifically. For just one post, supply answers with no questions. Seriously. I’m very curious to know your thoughts on this. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/429 "2014-03-26T18:08:54Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Why are you repeating the “you didn’t build that” lie? > > Are you actually so stupid you believed the GOP when they spoon fed you that lie? > > Or are you such a cowardly bitch that you’re knowingly using a lie to make a point? The context does not change the basic philosophical position. Whether it comes out Obama’s mouth or the mouth of Elizabeth Warren or some other progressive, the sentiment is not one that many people feel represents what America is about. No if you want to argue the merits of that particle piece of stupidity coming from either of those two, the debate has been had. Do a search. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/430 "2014-03-26T18:10:18Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > On a a very fundamental philosophical level, he is at odds with a good portion of the country. So is **any** POTUS. They’re elected by majority, not consensus. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/431 "2014-03-26T18:13:03Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > You cannot dissociate yourself from racism by defending it, **mag.** You are making that point for the rest of us, repeatedly, but you still seem incapable of getting it yourself. So, Linda Richmond it is. It is funny, though, one would think by the quantity of your posts that you’re actually interested in the issues and would like to discuss them. But, no, you’re just a post a cite and run away lame ass. Thanks for clearing that up once again. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/432 "2014-03-26T18:14:05Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > So is **any** POTUS. They’re elected by majority, not consensus. Answer the questions you’re trying to avoid, Miss Richmond. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/433 "2014-03-26T18:14:07Z")
“You didn’t build that” was taken out of context by right wingers. But the real context was not much different, philosophically. Just less inflammatory. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/434 "2014-03-26T18:16:49Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Huh? He was talking about Black youth, those poor Black kids that mostly live in inner cities. And the reasons why they are not doing well. Which, according to O’Reilly, are because black people are bad at parenting, black people grow up with no skills and cannot read or speak, he said black people have neck tattoos, and he said black people can’t compete in the marketplace. > [@](#): > > He identified the smaller problems that create the larger one. You mean, the smaller problems like black people are bad parents? > [@](#): > > What in the world is wrong with that? What’s wrong with saying “black people are… [negative thing, like ‘bad parents’]”? I think you know the answer to that. > [@](#): > > I’d say it’;s the responsible thing to do. You can’t fix something unless you know what it is you’re trying to fix. So I’m supposed to praise O’Reilly for having the courage to stand up and fix the problem of ‘black people are bad parents’? No thank you. > [@](#): > > Seriously, what is wrong with that? You’re not making any sense. Saying “[ethnic/racial/etc. group] are [negative thing]” is a bad and racist thing to say. That’s what O’Reilly did that I object to. > [@](#): > > I do not object one iota. He’s pointing to reality. His point is that the dissolution of the family is taking it’s toll on the kids. That Black families, writ large, are unable to supervise their children as well as they could with families intact. So you agree with Bill that black people are bad parents? > [@](#): > > Do you actually dispute this. I dispute that black people are bad parents, yes (along with the other negative things Bill said about black people). > [@](#): > > No, please, I ask you again, go back to that post you responded to and answer each of the questions specifically. For just one post, supply answers with no questions. Seriously. I’m very curious to know your thoughts on this. Already answered, but I’ll try again. Here are your questions: > [@](#): > > Here rate the points one by one: > > 1. dissolution of the family > > 2. poor supervision of kids in school > > 3. growing up without acquiring marketable skills > > 4. poor reading skills > > 5. poor speaking skills (outside of their particular sub-culture) > > 6. visible tattoos on the neck > > So, let me ask you: do you think that any of these are NOT things that hold kids back? I’ll try to avoid a confusing double-negative: I believe points 1) through 6) can be bad things for kids. I disagree with Bill O’Reilly that black people are bad parents, have no skills, do not read or speak well, have neck tattoos, etc. > [@](#): > > Do you think that any of these things that are things that should NOT be addressed? Do you think that any of these thinks are not, at the least, net negatives for Black youth? More weird uses of “not” (and this appears to be almost the exact same question), so I’ll again try to avoid a confusing double-negative: points 1) through 6) are bad things that should be avoided, and in general are negatives for youths. I disagree with Bill that black people are bad parents, have no skills, do not read or speak well, have neck tattoos, etc. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/435 "2014-03-26T18:18:13Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > So is **any** POTUS. They’re elected by majority, not consensus. Except for the ones who are elected by a majority of only 5-4. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/436 "2014-03-26T18:18:48Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > The context does not change the basic philosophical position. Whether it comes out Obama’s mouth or the mouth of Elizabeth Warren or some other progressive, the sentiment is not one that many people feel represents what America is about. No if you want to argue the merits of that particle piece of stupidity coming from either of those two, the debate has been had. Do a search. “You didn’t build that” referred to infrastructure, not people’s businesses. The vast majority of America agrees that most business owners did not build the infrastructure (roads, bridges, electrical grid, law enforcement, etc) whose existence is partially responsible for the success of any small (or large) business. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/437 "2014-03-26T18:19:49Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > “You didn’t build that” was taken out of context by right wingers. > > But the real context was not much different, philosophically. Just less inflammatory. No, the real context was pretty different, considering that he was talking about infrastructure. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/438 "2014-03-26T18:20:37Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > His alignment with Jeremiah Wright > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Absolutely, because the folks who criticize his alignment with Wright > [@magellan01](#): > > HA! “Aligned with”? Are you fucking kidding me? You might as well argue that they merely happened to live in the same state. Please. GodDAMN you’re dumb. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/439 "2014-03-26T18:22:15Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > GodDAMN you’re dumb. That is utterly hilarious. :p:D:) ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/440 "2014-03-26T18:22:55Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > They would be negative for any youth, not just black. And they are negative things for all youth, it is a general cultural increase in all these things. True, but the problems disproportionately affect Black youth. > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > But I don’t blame black youth or their parents for these trends. It’s not about blaming anyone. It’s about identifying a problem so it can be fixed. > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Guess who I blame? Republicans. Yes, Republicans for not keeping funding for schools and attacking it at every opportunity since Prop 13 in California in the late 70s (although I support Prop 13 on its own merits). I’m shocked. :rolleyes: > [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Music classes, sports teams, first class facilities. We should frankly spend as much per capita on students as we do on prisoners. That is, $40,000 per year. Okay, that is too much. But if we had nice schools that spent $15,000 per year per student we would be sending them a message that is utterly different than the run down facilities inadequately staffed that they have now: that they are important. This is absolute crazy talk. Especially since it has been found that throwing money at the problem does not fix the problem. Many inner city public schools spend more per child than charter schools in the same inner cities. Guess which wines do better. Guess which ones inner city parents want their kids to go to. [Cite for school spending over the years.](http://www.cato.org/blog/public-school-spending-theres-chart) Sorry, it’s not about money. I wish it were. That would be much easier to fix. And you might want to read up on something called the [Kansas City Experiment.](http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/money-school-performance-lessons-kansas-city-desegregation-experiment) Everything you just described, that dream list, along with a lower student-teacher ration, was tried. It failed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=23)