# magellan01 - epitome of racist Republican **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975 "2014-03-18T02:08:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/441 "2014-03-26T18:24:45Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That is utterly hilarious. :p:D:) One little drone makes and attempt at a funny, and the hive giggles… Teeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee… ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/442 "2014-03-26T18:25:47Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > “You didn’t build that” was taken out of context by right wingers. > > But the real context was not much different, philosophically. Just less inflammatory. Precisely. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/443 "2014-03-26T18:26:38Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Answer the questions you’re trying to avoid, Miss Richmond. **iiandyiiii** already has that covered, see posts #420 and 424. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/444 "2014-03-26T18:26:40Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > One little drone makes and attempt at a funny, and the hive giggles… > > Teeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee… I’m glad you find yourself so amusing, and I’m glad we can share this belly laugh together… Mags: “…alignment with Wright…” LHOD: “…alignment with Wright…” Mags: “…aligned with?!? Please!..” BWAHAHAHAHA!!! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/445 "2014-03-26T18:27:40Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > “You didn’t build that” was taken out of context by right wingers. > > But the real context was not much different, philosophically. Just less inflammatory. But, both you and **magellan01** do realize that Obama was **right** on that point? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/446 "2014-03-26T18:28:08Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Precisely. In this case, rather less-than-precisely, since he was talking about infrastructure. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/447 "2014-03-26T18:30:49Z")
He was technically correct. However, the attitude expressed was one of broad government claims to private property (derived from the government’s investment in infrastructure). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/448 "2014-03-26T18:32:27Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > He was technically correct. However, the attitude expressed was one of broad government claims to private property (derived from the government’s investment in infrastructure). [shrug] Government always has broad claims to private property, that’s part of its definition. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/449 "2014-03-26T18:34:11Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > He was technically correct. However, the attitude expressed was one of broad government claims to private property (derived from the government’s investment in infrastructure). No, this is false. The attitude expressed was that no one builds a business in a vacuum, and that everyone has had help – if not from others (like mentors, investors, etc.), then from the very infrastructure of America itself. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/450 "2014-03-26T18:35:44Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > He was technically correct. That’s the best kind of correct to be. > [@](#): > > However, the attitude expressed was one of broad government claims to private property (derived from the government’s investment in infrastructure). No, it was about the wealthy recognizing that they’re a part of society. Government is merely society’s set of mechanisms for how we live together. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/451 "2014-03-26T18:57:15Z")
It’s a matter of degree. That’s why I wrote “broad claims”. Regardless, my point was that agree or disagree with Obama, from a philophical perspective there’s not much difference between saying “the government is entitled to more of your stuff because they built your business” and saying “the government is entitled to more of your stuff because they built the infrastructure that supports your business” ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/452 "2014-03-26T18:57:29Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > But, both you and **magellan01** do realize that Obama was **right** on that point? He was not. Trying to take the credit away from a person who opened and grew a business just because his trucks use the roads we all pay for, etc., is asinine. That person acted. Others didn’t. The person who acted, took the risks and succeeded deserves the credit. Period. Now you can go back and asked the questions of YOU. The ones generated by a post YOU crafted. Or you can reinforce your reputation as the Linda Richmond of the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/453 "2014-03-26T18:58:33Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > He was not. Trying to take the credit away from a person who opened and grew a business just because his trucks use the roads we all pay for, etc., is asinine. That person acted. Others didn’t. The person who acted, took the risks and succeeded deserves the credit. Period. What Obama said did not take the credit away from anyone who opened a business. Period. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/454 "2014-03-26T19:00:02Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > It’s a matter of degree. That’s why I wrote “broad claims”. > > Regardless, my point was that agree or disagree with Obama, from a philophical perspective there’s not much difference between saying “the government is entitled to more of your stuff because they built your business” and saying “the government is entitled to more of your stuff because they built the infrastructure that supports your business” There was nothing in what Obama said about “the government is entitled to more…” – he was stating that no one builds a business in a vacuum, and (kum-ba-ya) we’re all in this together. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/455 "2014-03-26T19:02:25Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > **iiandyiiii** already has that covered, see posts #420 and 424. :roll eyes: This may be the lamest post of your ever. And that’s saying something. You offered something up. I responded and asked you very specific questions. I wasn’t asking questions that require factual answers, like, “What’s the average rainfall in Kuala Lampur?” Where anyone supplying the info would suffice. No, I asked YOU about a POST you made. Some come on, Linda. Answer what was asked of you. You must care about the issue, since you posted on it in the first place, complete with a cite!. Wow. So, Linda, please, do share. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/456 "2014-03-26T19:05:27Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What Obama said did not take the credit away from anyone who opened a business. Period. Sure he did: > [@](#): > > If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/457 "2014-03-26T19:05:59Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > What Obama said did not take the credit away from anyone who opened a business. Period. But in fact, he did say that someone else made it happen – can you explain how that doesn’t seek to re-direct some of the credit? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/458 "2014-03-26T19:08:39Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > “These race hustlers make a big living, and they get voted into office, by portraying their constituents as victims,” O’Reilly continued. “And it’s all your fault, and it’s my fault, it’s the rich people’s fault, and it’s the Republicans’ fault — it’s everybody’s fault except what’s going on.” > > > > As Ryan stared blankly ahead, with a half-smile, waiting for O’Reilly to finish ranting, the host went on. > > > > “And what’s going on, as you know, is the dissolution of the family, and you don’t have proper supervision of children, and they grow up with no skills, and they can’t read and speak, and they have tattoos on their neck, and they can’t compete in the marketplace, and that’s what’s going on!” > > Don’t tell me you can’t hear the dogs howling. Let’s hear more dogs howling: “In troubled neighborhoods all across this country—many of them heavily African American—too few of our citizens have role models to guide them.” “We know that more than half of all black children live in single-parent households…. We know the statistics—that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of school and twenty times more likely to end up in prison.” “We know young black men are twice as likely as young white men to be ‘disconnected’—not in school, not working.” ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/459 "2014-03-26T19:08:47Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > There was nothing in what Obama said about “the government is entitled to more…” – he was stating that no one builds a business in a vacuum, and (kum-ba-ya) we’re all in this together. Using this metric, no one ever deserve the credit for anything they ever do? To make the statement un-stupid you have to expand it’s meaning to be meaningless. It’s one or the other. You choose. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2014, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/460 "2014-03-26T19:10:16Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > O’Reilly says black families are in dissolution, he says black parents don’t properly supervise children, he says black people grow up with no skills and cannot read or speak, he says black people have neck tattoos, he says black people can’t compete in the marketplace… > > And you’re asking us to explain why it’s objectionable? Is this objectionable? “In troubled neighborhoods all across this country—many of them heavily African American—too few of our citizens have role models to guide them.” “We know that more than half of all black children live in single-parent households…. We know the statistics—that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of school and twenty times more likely to end up in prison.” “We know young black men are twice as likely as young white men to be ‘disconnected’—not in school, not working.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=24)