# magellan01 - epitome of racist Republican **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975 "2014-03-18T02:08:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/61 "2014-03-18T18:24:55Z")
Wow, someone taking that ditz Maureen Dowd seriously. Don’t see \*that \*every day. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/62 "2014-03-18T18:27:53Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > So, you fuck your mentally challenged daughter? :mad: What kind of monster do you take me for?! I pimp her out! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/63 "2014-03-18T18:32:21Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > He’s assuming that the reason blacks vote 95% for Democrats is because they don’t think hard enough about their vote “thought has been suspended,” rather than for some other perfectly good, thoughtful reason. Look, we’re wasting electrons. Dumb as he is, **magellan01** understands that this is an insulting thing to say. You can try - if you’re a sucker - to explain to him why not a lot of black people are voting Republican. I think there’s actually an open thread about it. But it’s not going to fucking work. He won’t get it, either because he can’t think of any good reason to vote Democrat or because he’ll never own up to the game Republicans are playing. So the next time he says he doesn’t understand why black people vote for Democrats, remember that he’s the one who said black people don’t think when they vote. And remember that lots of other Republicans say this stuff all the time. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/64 "2014-03-18T18:33:24Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I know all this stuff about code words and dog whistles and how the GOP hates black people is projection and bullshit. “The GOP hates black people” is bullshit. _Some_ of the stuff about code words and dog whistles is bullshit, and some of it is not. Until the last few decades, racists really were a _massive_ voting block, and the Southern Strategy was a real attempt by the Republican party to appeal to that block (which previously was locked up by the Dems). The Southern Strategy was not bullshit – it was real (and really, it was just everyday, common, cynical politics). It’s not some sort of con. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/65 "2014-03-18T18:34:09Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > More than being a racist or a homophobe, he’s the epitome of a guy who holds some really nasty views and tries to avoid criticism by playing innocent and refusing to see the forest for the trees. If you try to explain any of this to him, be warned that rather than dealing with the argument he’ll try to nitpick you to death until you get bored and give up - and that in subsequent discussions he’ll never acknowledge any of it, and will ask you (or someone else) to patiently start at the beginning all over again. He never tires of making people slowly explain things for him so he can ignore everything they say. He’s given up on me, though. I confused him with another homophobe member (since banned) and though acknowledged the error, I wouldn’t apologize for it. He saw that as an out to stop talking to me and I guess, stop having to struggle to continue justifying himself in light of reasonable questions like exactly _how_ is straight marriage’s “specialness” defined and how is it diminished by gay marriage. So he’s racist, too. I’m rather less than shocked, since I already had him pegged as an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/66 "2014-03-18T18:36:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No doubt it will get worse up to the mid-term elections, and then even more marked once the GOP regains control of Congress. Huh? Did you mean the Senate? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/67 "2014-03-18T18:37:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “The GOP hates black people” is bullshit. That depends on what you mean by “the GOP” and “hates,” I guess. Not every Republican does, but as a national body, the party doesn’t give a shit about people of color and devotes a consider amount of energy to nasty rhetoric, peddling stereotypes and dismantling programs that help them. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/68 "2014-03-18T18:42:39Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That depends on what you mean by “the GOP” and “hates,” I guess. Not every Republican does, but as a national body, the party doesn’t give a shit about people of color and devotes a consider amount of energy to nasty rhetoric, peddling stereotypes and dismantling programs that help them. “They hate black people” is a sweeping statement that’s obviously not true for 100% of GOP supporters and politicians, and it’s not a particularly useful statement anyway. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/69 "2014-03-18T18:45:33Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Look, we’re wasting electrons. Dumb as he is, **magellan01** understands that this is an insulting thing to say. Okay. Doesn’t make it not an assumption. > [@](#): > > So the next time he says he doesn’t understand why black people vote for Democrats, That’s my point – he didn’t say he “doesn’t understand why,” he ASSUMES that he DOES understand why - because black people just aren’t thinking hard enough. That’s his insulting assumption. > [@](#): > > remember that he’s the one who said black people don’t think when they vote. And remember that lots of other Republicans say this stuff all the time. Yes, I know. If you mistook my comment for trying to excuse him, you were mistaken. It was pretty clear I wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/70 "2014-03-18T18:45:59Z")
Well, I guess it might be unfair to say they _hate_ black people. They just like white votes more. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/71 "2014-03-18T18:47:09Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “They hate black people” is a sweeping statement that’s obviously not true for 100% of GOP supporters and politicians, and it’s not a particularly useful statement anyway. There was no “they.” It was “the GOP,” which refers to the party, not every single individual in it. I agree that just describing it as hate isn’t all that productive, but if you’re trying to sum up the practices I was talking about, it’s not that bad. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/72 "2014-03-18T18:47:27Z")
A huge part of the divide between party supporters is still slavery/segregation/Jim Crow/etc, it seems to me. Most Republicans (and perhaps most conservatives as well) believe slavery/segregation/Jim Crow/etc were very bad things that were pretty much dealt with, and have little relevance to the problems of today. Opportunity is mostly equal, and if one works hard, one can succeed. Most Democrats (and perhaps most liberals) believe slavery/segregation/Jim Crow/etc were very bad things that were dealt with slowly and incompletely and continue to have very significant ramifications today. Opportunity is still far from equal (though it is closer than before), and hard work is no guarantee for success. There are also some, shall we say, less decent supporters of each party. I think it’s likely some Republican/conservative voters don’t really care that much about past wrongs, and don’t really care that much if opportunity is not equal for others – either from racism or apathy. They only care if their own opportunities are equal. And there are likely some Democratic/liberal voters who don’t really care that much about past wrongs, except how they can be used to excuse their own bad behavior. I think the latter groups are small, even though partisan opponents probably think they make up the majority of the opposing party. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/73 "2014-03-18T18:48:17Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That depends on what you mean by “the GOP” and “hates,” I guess. Not every Republican does, but as a national body, the party doesn’t give a shit about people of color and devotes a consider amount of energy to nasty rhetoric, peddling stereotypes and dismantling programs that help them. “As a national body?” What’s that mean? If you mean the leadership or the RNC, I think you’ll find many many statements of support for blacks and opposition to racism. Of course you will. It’s not the “national body,” it’s lots and lots of little Republicans saying racist or race-baiting things over and over. That’s significant, of course. But its’ not the same thing as an official position, or beliefs of high-ranking leadership. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/74 "2014-03-18T18:51:26Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > “As a national body?” What’s that mean? > > If you mean the leadership or the RNC, I think you’ll find many many statements of support for blacks and opposition to racism. Of course you will. > > It’s not the “national body,” it’s lots and lots of little Republicans saying racist or race-baiting things over and over. That’s significant, of course. But its’ not the same thing as an official position, or beliefs of high-ranking leadership. Well, then magellan01 isn’t really the _epitome_ of racist Republicans (if we take for granted that the Republican Party is not officially racist), but he is among their target audience, easily swayed by the race-baiting arguments of “little” Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/75 "2014-03-18T19:09:22Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > “As a national body?” What’s that mean? How complicated can this be? We are talking about a nationwide organization, and I am talking about the whole picture. > [@](#): > > It’s not the “national body,” it’s lots and lots of little Republicans saying racist or race-baiting things over and over. That’s significant, of course. Little Republicans? Herman Cain was their favorite to become president at one point despite the notable handicap of being a joke candidate. Paul Ryan was the VP nominee and their favorite make-believe budget genius. > [@](#): > > But its’ not the same thing as an official position, or beliefs of high-ranking leadership. Did I say anything about official positions or the beliefs of _RNC leadership_? No. I talked about what the party is saying and doing on a national level: Republicans oppose raising the minimum wage, opposed extending unemployment insurance, support cuts to food stamp programs, endorse voter ID laws, and torpedoed immigration reform - all of which are more or less official positions by the way - and they all disproportionately affect nonwhites. Then there’s the way they talk about lazy inner city men (Ryan), the entitled 47% (Romney), ‘takers,’ ‘moochers,’ ‘plantation’ black voters and their comments on other issues all the way down through Trayvon Martin, Shirley Sherrod, ACORN, and the endless parade of Fox News-discovered poor people who are getting rich off the system by buying edible food or having refrigerators. While there are elements of class here as well as race, if you talk about people this way and advocate a series of policies that are bad for them, what do you expect people to say about the party? ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/76 "2014-03-18T19:33:16Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > How complicated can this be? We are talking about a nationwide organization, and I am talking about the whole picture. “The whole picture” is even MORE vague! > [@](#): > > Little Republicans? Herman Cain was their favorite to become president at one point despite the notable handicap of being a joke candidate. Paul Ryan was the VP nominee and their favorite make-believe budget genius. Wait - you’re saying Herman Cain hates black people? > [@](#): > > Did I say anything about official positions or the beliefs of _RNC leadership_? No. That’s what I’m trying to get at - what do you mean by “national body?” It sure sounded like you meant the RNC or leadership. And hey, if the RNC or leadership comes out against racism (as it does), that could discount the “national body” claim. > [@](#): > > I talked about what the party is saying and doing on a national level: What’s “the party…on a national level?” The RNC? Republican leaders? > [@](#): > > Republicans oppose raising the minimum wage, opposed extending unemployment insurance, support cuts to food stamp programs, endorse voter ID laws, and torpedoed immigration reform So you mean those Republicans who believe those things. Which are…who? You mean Republicans elected to Congress? > [@](#): > > - all of which are more or less official positions by the way - Official positions by whom? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/77 "2014-03-18T19:45:26Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > “The whole picture” is even MORE vague! Are you actually as dumb as **magellan01** is pretending to be? Which word is troubling you? I contrasted Republicans on a nationwide level with individual Republicans. I’m talking about policies Republicans are enacting across the country, the actions they’re taking on a federal level, and the way prominent Republicans talk about these issues. > [@](#): > > Wait - you’re saying Herman Cain hates black people? Sometimes you appear to have the memory of a goldfish with head trauma. I did not say any individual hated black people. I said Cain (who called the Democratic Party a plantation) is one of many Republicans who’ve talked shit about black people for fun and profit. > [@](#): > > That’s what I’m trying to get at - what do you mean by “national body?” It sure sounded like you meant the RNC or leadership. If I’d meant RNC leadership, I’d have just said “RNC leadership.” > [@](#): > > What’s “the party…on a national level?” This is not that complicated, **lance strongarm**. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/78 "2014-03-18T19:50:44Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Are you actually as dumb as **magellan01** is pretending to be? Which word is troubling you? I contrasted Republicans on a nationwide level with individual Republicans. I’m talking about policies Republicans are enacting across the country, the actions they’re taking on a federal level, and the way prominent Republicans talk about these issues. You were being vague. Not my fault. “Republicans” is vague too. Do you mean Republican elected officials, or just regular voters? I understand you now, but you really should be more precise when you talk about things like this. > [@](#): > > Sometimes you appear to have the memory of a goldfish with head trauma. And yet I’m not. Please don’t assume you’re a perfect communicator and that I am at fault whenever something isn’t clear to me, thanks. > [@](#): > > I did not say any individual hated black people. I said Cain (who called the Democratic Party a plantation) is one of many Republicans who’ve talked shit about black people for fun and profit. You’re saying that Cain talked shit about black people? Seriously, dude. Cain is not exactly your best example of racist Republicans. > [@](#): > > If I’d meant RNC leadership, I’d have just said “RNC leadership.” Yes, instead you said something incredibly vague that could mean almost anything. > [@](#): > > This is not that complicated, **lance strongarm**. Yes, actually, it is. Relax and just clarify please. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/79 "2014-03-18T20:00:47Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > You were being vague. Not my fault. “Republicans” is vague too. Do you mean Republican elected officials, or just regular voters? Do you understand that I already addressed this before you started asking “HUUUUUH? What do you mean??!?” > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “The GOP hates black people” is bullshit. > [@Marley23](#): > > That depends on what you mean by “the GOP” and “hates,” I guess. Not every Republican does, but as a national body, the party doesn’t give a shit about people of color and devotes a consider amount of energy to nasty rhetoric, peddling stereotypes and dismantling programs that help them. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > “They hate black people” is a sweeping statement that’s obviously not true for 100% of GOP supporters and politicians, and it’s not a particularly useful statement anyway. > [@Marley23](#): > > There was no “they.” It was “the GOP,” which refers to the party, not every single individual in it. I agree that just describing it as hate isn’t all that productive, but if you’re trying to sum up the practices I was talking about, it’s not that bad. > [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > I understand you now, but you really should be more precise when you talk about things like this. I explained what I was talking about before you asked me what I was talking about. Then I explained it again. If that still didn’t get the job done, I don’t think the fault it on my end. Next time try reading my post three times and see if that helps. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/80 "2014-03-18T20:08:37Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Do you understand that I already addressed this before you started asking “HUUUUUH? What do you mean??!?” You’re just showing me your vague statements again, which we’ve already discussed. A “national body” is incredibly vague. It could mean almost anything. So is “the party.” Do you mean official positions by the party’s national organization? Or positions by most of its elected officials? Or attitudes by it’s voters and supporters? Huge differences that matter alot. > [@](#): > > I explained what I was talking about before you asked me what I was talking about. Then I explained it again. If that still didn’t get the job done, I don’t think the fault it on my end. Next time try reading my post three times and see if that helps. You failed to explain it three times. And it’s entirely your fault. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=5)