# magellan01 - epitome of racist Republican **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975 "2014-03-18T02:08:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/81 "2014-03-18T20:14:18Z")
There is nothing vague about what I said. I specified that I was talking about the Republican Party (not its entire membership), the policies it supports, and statements prominent Republicans have made. I posted a good number of specific examples to back that up: moves made by Republicans in Congress or in Republican-controlled state legislatures, statements by major figures in the party. The problem here is that you’re dense. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/82 "2014-03-18T20:18:37Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > There is nothing vague about what I said. I specified that I was talking about the Republican Party (not its entire membership), “the Republican Party” is vague. Do you mean official positions by the party? Statements by the leadership? Positions by most of its elected officials? Opinions common among its voters and supporters? > [@](#): > > The problem here is that you’re dense. Look, you can take the childish way out and blame me and call me names. That will make you feel good, but it won’t help you. You’re failing to communicate well, and that’s your fault, and it’s only going to hurt you, not me. If I were a Republican, I’d be tearing you apart right now. Consider yourself lucky that I’m helping you strengthen your case and tolerating the stubborn, childish bullshit you’re using to justify your laziness. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/83 "2014-03-18T20:22:59Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > “the Republican Party” is vague. This is why you’re hopeless. It’s not at all vague, especially since I posted other qualifiers. > [@](#): > > Look, you can take the childish way out and blame me and call me names. That will make you feel good, but it won’t help you. Sure it will. It’s just as productive as attempting a discussion with you, but instead of wondering what’s wrong with you and why you can’t understand simple statements backed up by examples, I can just tell you that you’re being stupid. It’s less stressful and it’s kind of fun. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/84 "2014-03-18T20:38:20Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > No. I talked about what the party is saying and doing on a national level: Republicans oppose raising the minimum wage, opposed extending unemployment insurance, support cuts to food stamp programs, endorse voter ID laws, and torpedoed immigration reform - all of which are more or less official positions by the way - and they all disproportionately affect nonwhites. I’m certainly no fan of the Republican party, but I think that this kind of argument is pretty unconvincing. Postulate someone who is 100% utterly and complete unracist in all ways, is absolutely convinced that all people are equal regardless of race, NEVER makes stereoetypes or judgments based on skin color, NEVER treats people differently in the slightest based on skin color as a whole or as a group. Could that person hold the view that the minimum wage should not be lowered? Certainly. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/85 "2014-03-18T20:52:04Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :mad: What kind of monster do you take me for?! I pimp her out! Oh, thank goodness. You had me worried for a second. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/86 "2014-03-18T21:01:35Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Oh, thank goodness. You had me worried for a second. Thank God the American work ethic is not dead. You’re a troll who’s only occasionally funny, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/87 "2014-03-18T22:02:35Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > This is why you’re hopeless. It’s not at all vague, especially since I posted other qualifiers. > > Sure it will. It’s just as productive as attempting a discussion with you, but instead of wondering what’s wrong with you and why you can’t understand simple statements backed up by examples, I can just tell you that you’re being stupid. It’s less stressful and it’s kind of fun. You’re right about one thing - further discussion with me will not be productive. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/88 "2014-03-18T22:03:43Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I’m certainly no fan of the Republican party, but I think that this kind of argument is pretty unconvincing. Postulate someone who is 100% utterly and complete unracist in all ways, is absolutely convinced that all people are equal regardless of race, NEVER makes stereoetypes or judgments based on skin color, NEVER treats people differently in the slightest based on skin color as a whole or as a group. > > Could that person hold the view that the minimum wage should not be lowered? Certainly. You’re spoiling all the fun. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/89 "2014-03-18T22:51:06Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > It’s not an assumption, it’s an insult. It’s a race-based insult that is very popular among Republicans, but remember, if you call a Republican a racist, you are a big meanie. I am, thus _a big meanie_. 😉 Mind you, it’s only the “tail” of the GoP which is racist, IMHO, but since that “tail” is currently wagging the dog, it’s the whole party that gets tarred. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2014, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/90 "2014-03-18T23:46:48Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > He’s given up on me, though. I confused him with another homophobe member (since banned) and though acknowledged the error, I wouldn’t apologize for it. He saw that as an out to stop talking to me and I guess, stop having to struggle to continue justifying himself in light of reasonable questions like exactly _how_ is straight marriage’s “specialness” defined and how is it diminished by gay marriage. > . That’s not an excuse. If you insulted him because you confused him with someone else but refuse to apologize, you have demonstrated a lack integrity that would make debating with you difficult. He has a legitimate beef with you. If you’d have done that to me, you’d be on ignore, and I wouldn’t be responding to you either. I don’t put up with people who admit to wrongdoing but refuse to apologize. At least magellan thinks he’s doing right. You’ve admitted to doing wrong but don’t care. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/91 "2014-03-19T03:21:24Z")
I attributed to him something that was actually posted by another member, an error that I see often here, with me occasionally as “victim” (if such a term can be so applied, which I doubt). If he was claiming insult (I don’t recall what his precise response was), he was being disingenuous, and I declined to indulge him. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/92 "2014-03-19T03:32:09Z")
Hey, **magellan01** – you do know Portuguese greasers ain’t **white,** don’tcha?! ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/93 "2014-03-19T08:10:37Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I know all this stuff about code words and dog whistles and how the GOP hates black people is projection and bullshit. You are making it up and blaming it on your enemies. You’re saying “tar baby”\* isn’t \*a codeword? How very _New Republic_-an of you. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/94 "2014-03-19T08:49:13Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > … I am a conservative. I know all this stuff about code words and dog whistles and how the GOP hates black people is projection and bullshit. > > … Obama was lying. > … Obama with the same blather… > Regards, > Shodan My reactions on reading this: (1) To avoid admitting affiliation with the irrational GOP, most right-wing Dopers call themselves “conservative” rather than “Republican.” Who’s afraid to call a spade a spade? **Shodan** , will you accept the challenge to peruse the SRIOTD thread and comment on your like-thinking politicians? No? Didn’t think so. (2) He thinks that we think that if 25% of Republicans are racist, then 100% are. Do you deny that a quarter of GOP voters are racist, **Shodan**? If you do, you’re even stupider than I already thought you were. (3) Note again that this ilk insists on the repetition “Obama … Obama … Obama.” Obama’s policies are roughly the same centrist policies we’d have from any Democrat. The need to emphasize opposition to this one specific man _already implies a racist basis_. The emphasis (manifested e.g. in calling this intelligent and eloquent man “the Teleprompter President”) originates for one reason only: Obama is Black. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/95 "2014-03-19T10:30:38Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > No he was not. > > [PolitiFact | Joe Wilson of South Carolina said Obama lied, but he didn't](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/09/joe-wilson/joe-wilson-south-carolina-said-obama-lied-he-didnt/) At the risk of derailing this amusing Pit thread… Regardless of whether Joe Wilson was correct or not, illegal aliens are being enrolled under Obamacare at taxpayer expense. Call it an accident or intentional neglect, depending upon your personal views. But its happening. Obama said it wouldn’t. In Oregon [Cite](http://www.nationalreview.com/article/372566/obamacare-illegals-michelle-malkin) There is a further issue with some of the administrative rules put in place under the PPACA to enroll persons when they do not present with all of the necessary documentation to determine eligibility for subsidy entitlements. The _presumptive eligibility_ rules permit enrolling someone in subsidized care, including full taxpayer supported Medicaid, on a temporary basis of up to 90 days without proof of citizenship. Critics call this a loophole that would permit illegal aliens to enroll temporarily in Medicaid and note [health care providers may be empowered to enroll such patients](http://www.nciom.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Ch.3-Medicaid.pdf) (PDF cite, see page 13) in order to receive payment for services. Now back to the pitting… > [@The Second Stone](#): > > … > Yeah, there’s a Clarance Thomas or Colin Powell here and there, but they are pure sell-outs who get paid handsomely in prestige and money for selling-out. I find the notion that one call “sell-out” your own race is a rather racist notion in and of itself. It implies that a racial group should act in a uniform manner, a grossly discriminatory notion. I tend to believe that the divide is far more on economic class lines though grant that someone people hold racist views and let such views guide their voting. It is just as much a racist view to hold, “_I am not going to vote for him because he is \_” than it is to hold “_I am going to vote for him because he is \._” ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/96 "2014-03-19T11:14:39Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > You’re saying “tar baby”\* isn’t \*a codeword? How very _New Republic_-an of you. Isn’t it from the Uncle Remus story? The fox makes a figure out of tar that the rabbit gets into a fight with, and the more he fights it, the more stuck he gets? Kind of like most of the debates on this message board. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/97 "2014-03-19T12:12:40Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Isn’t it from the Uncle Remus story? The fox makes a figure out of tar that the rabbit gets into a fight with, and the more he fights it, the more stuck he gets? Kind of like most of the debates on this message board. I have to admit also that “tar baby” doesn’t strike me as an inherently racist term, since it’s originally meaning is as you describe, akin to “quagmire”. Frankly it strikes me as oversensitive if not disingenuous if metaphors invoking dark or black imagery are assumed racist. If someone says Obama ’ administration is a dark time for America (as was the Great Depression or Pearl Harbor), is that automatically racist? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/98 "2014-03-19T12:20:59Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > 1. Can you point to another racial group that votes as a block of 95%. That’s unnatural. Thought has been suspended. White racists vote 95%+ Republican. That’s unnatural. Thoughts have not been suspended, they simply do not occur. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/99 "2014-03-19T12:23:43Z")
“tar baby” has been used both [in racist](https://www.google.ca/search?q=tar+baby&rlz=1C1ASUT_enCA555CA555&espv=210&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&imgil=6vmMJ6p6UJOdNM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcQ9NQMGJyoBhaVAwTNfZRKGsur7hZx4RQyfMmrOaddWmqzRKjUkwQ%253B916%253B607%253B_wEePd-t_znAqM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fchildlit.unl.edu%25252Ftopics%25252Fedi.afterlife.html&source=iu&usg=__zzhsQNswKzDMlCDj0o4HCiZgdpE%3D&sa=X&ei=bospU9OYNaqMyAG64YCQCQ&ved=0CDwQ9QEwAg#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=6vmMJ6p6UJOdNM%253A%3B_wEePd-t_znAqM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fchildlit.unl.edu%252Ffigures%252Feditorial%252Fbig%252Fephemera.tarbaby.013.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fchildlit.unl.edu%252Ftopics%252Fedi.afterlife.html%3B916%3B607) and non-racist contexts. This is why people associate it as an anti-black slur (and as a useful “dog whistle” too). ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/100 "2014-03-19T12:28:00Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That depends on what you mean by “the GOP” and “hates,” I guess. Well, now, here you are asking for clarity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=6)