# magellan01 - epitome of racist Republican **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 18, 2014, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975 "2014-03-18T02:08:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/141 "2014-03-19T17:51:54Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > This sounds patronizing, and amusingly I feel it in reverse - if you insist on seeing a racist element to “tar baby” (or “niggardly”, for that matter), it is _you_ who are “innocent” of the original meaning of the term, i.e. uneducated. I apologize - I didn’t mean it to be patronizing at all. > [@](#): > > I’ve no doubt racists have used “tar baby” when they obviously meant in a racist context, but when the context suggests “quagmire” (as the term originally meant), I’m not inclined to knee-jerk a racist interpretation. As long as you’re aware that others will knee-jerk it. > [@](#): > > No, I don’t “people have forgotten” the racist use - more likely the racist use has joined or even taken precedence over the original use, to the point where some people know _only_ the racist use. That’s what I meant, only you said it more precisely. > [@](#): > > You’ve only “educated” me in your own limited use of the phrase. Again, sorry to sound patronizing. I shouldn’t have assumed you were unaware of the term’s racist use. I was just noting that I’ve seen such cases elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/142 "2014-03-19T17:53:57Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Or, more likely, have you ever won an argument with a liberal? Racist! Now a (presumed) liberal is callling ME (a fellow liberal) racist - for a statement where I was AGREEING that a statement by another poster was racist (which he didn’t understand). You must be laughing over their on the right side of the aisle. I might be tempted to come join you and become a right-winger too if you guys were such racists. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/143 "2014-03-19T17:57:19Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Well, Shodan, it turns out you’re gonna “fund” illegal immigrants somehow, in the sense of spending money on them. No doubt, but that isn’t what Obama claimed. This isn’t ambiguous. It’s rather like him swearing up and down that it wasn’t a tax, it was a penalty. Then he got the law passed, and suddenly it was a tax. Or him guaranteeing I could keep my coverage, knowing full well it was going to be cancelled. Obama lied. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/144 "2014-03-19T17:59:21Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Yup. > > That was easy. Just because you thought you were smearing Dems, doesn’t mean you didn’t smear blacks as being stupid “brainwashing” and assume that some token appointments, such as Steele, are adequate cover. > > The stuff that comes out of your keyboard is regularly racist. I had you on “ignore” for several years till you toned it down and in the past two months or so, it is right back up there. :rolleyes:It was “easy” because you took a wall of my text and just magically deemed it racist. That’s the same lame shit you clowns always try to get away with. And it’s why I get under so many people’s skin—I don’t allow these blanket pronouncements. So, smart guy, cite the specific things I said that you think racist and we can talk about them. Otherwise, you just show yourself to be a poster boy example of what liberals are getting called on in this thread. You may be able to get away with your loose thinking when you an a bunch of your lefty buddies are swooning over another Maya Angelou reading, but this ain’t that circle jerk, as much as you would like it to be… So, whatcha got with all your “ample evidence”? ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/145 "2014-03-19T18:00:44Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > lance, are you bitter that people won’t stop saying ‘retard’ and that’s why you come into these topics defending the GOP (I’m sorry, the entire “GOP” being referenced by a specific poster at that moment) whenever someone rightly calls out their racism? The funny part about that comment is that it’s exactly like calling someone “racist” at every opportunity. I defend anyone when I believe they’ve been treated unfairly. That includes the any Republican, and it includes false or unsupported accusations of racism. I do so because I believe in fairness, and I believe that you only degrade yourself when you treat others unfairly, and you lose the moral high ground and the right to complain when you are treated unfairly. I believe unsupported accusations of racism only make it harder when REAL racism comes along - nobody pays attention. It’s a version of “crying wolf.” So no, your silly baiting doesn’t work on me. > [@](#): > > Everybody… knows what we’re talking about except you. The problem isn’t everyone else, its you I know what’ you’re talking about. Some of it is wrong. And I’ll say so, even if you don’t like it and even if it doesn’t meet your political needs. Deal with it. > [@](#): > > For the record, magellan is racist Okay. Did I say he wasn’t? Maybe you don’t know what I’m talking about. > [@](#): > > and he’s pretty much the model of the typical GOP voter/elected official these days. That’s an unfair and unsupportable statement. Maybe you could say alot of Republicans are racists, but it’s not quite “typical.” You simply don’t have enough evidence to accuse millions of people of all being racists. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/146 "2014-03-19T18:01:40Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Now a (presumed) liberal is callling ME (a fellow liberal) racist - for a statement where I was AGREEING that a statement by another poster was racist (which he didn’t understand). They’re not listening. They have a script in their heads, and if you deviate from the script, or they lose their place in it, they don’t know what else to do except try the race card. > [@](#): > > You must be laughing over their on the right side of the aisle. Yup, I get to do a lot of that. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/147 "2014-03-19T18:02:57Z")
I’ll tell you one thing - the pathetic logic and insulting bullshit I see from some liberals, including a few on this board, won’t make me change my mind about my political views (that would be just as illogical - fuck, I’m starting to sound like Spock). But it does make me less prone to trust them. That’s unfortunate. It doesn’t help our cause. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/148 "2014-03-19T18:03:55Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No doubt, but that isn’t what Obama claimed. > > This isn’t ambiguous. It’s rather like him swearing up and down that it wasn’t a tax, it was a penalty. Then he got the law passed, and suddenly it was a tax. Or him guaranteeing I could keep my coverage, knowing full well it was going to be cancelled. > > Obama lied. > > Regards, > Shodan Pretty funny that people would actually make the effort that Obama didn’t lie—about anything. He’s a serial liar. Most politicians are, but he’s incredibly bad at it. Or is it “good” at it? I’d rather defend that Dennis Rodman really should be our Ambassador to Korea. After endless, “If you like your health care plan…” lies, defending him as not being a liar about anything that came out of his mouth is tough work. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/149 "2014-03-19T18:04:27Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Are you being ironic, because I can see a number of reasons other than health care where public moneys would be spent based solely on the location of someone’s birth. > > Well, perhaps more accurately based on their current legal citizenship, but the concepts are related. Of course any nation takes care of its own citizens first and foremost, but the way some people work themselves into a tizzy at the notion that an “illegal alien” might benefit in the slightest from any public funds is quite disturbing to me. Should we give them passports? No. Patch them up when they get injured? Of course. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/150 "2014-03-19T18:06:02Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > They’re not listening. They have a script in their heads, and if you deviate from the script, or they lose their place in it, they don’t know what else to do except try the race card. Yep. And it annoys the hell out of me that they keep taking the bait and you keep reeling them in. Screw you for being right about something, you stupid rightwinger. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/151 "2014-03-19T18:07:17Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Of course any nation takes care of its own citizens first and foremost, but the way some people work themselves into a tizzy at the notion that an “illegal alien” might benefit in the slightest from any public funds is quite disturbing to me. Should we give them passports? No. Patch them up when they get injured? Of course. Well, we do patch them up when they get injured. We don’t give them free comprehensive health coverage. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/152 "2014-03-19T18:09:01Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > For the record, magellan is racist… And now it’s time for you to put on your big boy pants and defend this. Please be specific and not lame, like the **Second Stone’s** latest attempt. Let’s see what you got. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/153 "2014-03-19T18:10:18Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > The funny part about that comment is that it’s exactly like calling someone “racist” at every opportunity. > > I defend anyone when I believe they’ve been treated unfairly. That includes the any Republican, and it includes false or unsupported accusations of racism. I do so because I believe in fairness, and I believe that you only degrade yourself when you treat others unfairly, and you lose the moral high ground and the right to complain when you are treated unfairly. I believe unsupported accusations of racism only make it harder when REAL racism comes along - nobody pays attention. It’s a version of “crying wolf.” > > So no, your silly baiting doesn’t work on me. > > I know what’ you’re talking about. Some of it is wrong. And I’ll say so, even if you don’t like it and even if it doesn’t meet your political needs. Deal with it. > > Okay. Did I say he wasn’t? Maybe you don’t know what I’m talking about. > > That’s an unfair and unsupportable statement. Maybe you could say alot of Republicans are racists, but it’s not quite “typical.” You simply don’t have enough evidence to accuse millions of people of all being racists. Well, then defend this: > **[Good News For Illegal Immigration Apologists: more facts to ignore and...](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=403251)** > > From this article.: So, assuming these numbers hold up, at a rate of 429 arrests per 100, without those illegals here we would have had 1,124,409 fewer arrests in the U.S. But wait, (apoligist excuses rationalizations go here). Think I’ll make... Defending racist and nativist organizations is only the beginning, supporting scientific racists like Chen019 and Chief Pedant is supporting evidence. Mind you, I still go for just a clueless fellow following crackpot sources, but this is hard to keep when the scientific racists are taken into account. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/154 "2014-03-19T18:12:28Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Obama lied. Gosh, he must be the politician in history to do so. Out of curiosity, what if spending health-care money on illegal immigrants was actually cost-effective, i.e. some preventative care here and there was better than the spending on emergency care when their cases become acute? Is this strictly a government-spending thing or do you see some kind of moral imperative to kick people out (in which case I’d suggest mandating that all health-care workers must notify law-enforcement if they know or suspect a patient of being in the U.S. illegally)? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/155 "2014-03-19T18:13:24Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Yes, he did in fact say that. He claimed that any time someone criticized Obama by name, it was because Obama is black. He said, **specifically** , that this was the only reason. You are correct - there is a difference. What he said, very clearly and specifically, was the first. I’m sorry, are we reading the same post? > [@](#): > > He said that the only reason for any criticism that mentioned Obama by name was racism. Because this doesn’t even _try_ to be true. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/156 "2014-03-19T18:14:00Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > This isn’t ambiguous. It’s rather like him swearing up and down that it wasn’t a tax, it was a penalty. Then he got the law passed, and suddenly it was a tax. Please show me where Obama called it a penalty but not a tax, and then calling it a tax after the law passed. As I recall it, the Supreme Court called it a tax, not Obama. Or did the Obama administration call it a tax when arguing before the court? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/157 "2014-03-19T18:15:09Z")
Cost-effectiveness doesn’t register with conservative minds. Many want to see drug testing for welfare benefits, even though the cost of such testing would outweigh any benefit. Not to mention the moral aspect of letting a child starve because his mother smoked a joint. ---
**Author:** ![lance\_strongarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/87869e/32.png) [@lance\_strongarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lance_strongarm)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/158 "2014-03-19T18:16:28Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, then defend this: > > [Good News For Illegal Immigration Apologists: more facts to ignore and rationalize - The BBQ Pit - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=403251) Why would I want to do that? > [@](#): > > Defending racist and nativist organizations is only the beginning, I don’t defend those either, or did you mean someone else? > [@](#): > > supporting scientific racists like Chen019 and Chief Pedant is supporting evidence. Mind you, I still go for just a clueless fellow following crackpot sources, but this is hard to keep when the scientific racists are taken into account. I don’t understand your point. I don’t defend racists, I defend non-racists (or those presumed not to be racist) who are unfairly called racists. P.S. And if any of you are as confused as Second Stone, let me be clear - I’m not defending Magellan from accusations of racism specifically. I don’t have enough information on him. I’m talking about the whole “anyone who bashes Obama is racist” or “all Republicans are racist” crap. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/159 "2014-03-19T18:19:45Z")
An afterthought occurs - since there’s a growing concern that there won’t be enough workers to support the now-retiring baby boomers, why not encourage immigration? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2014, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975/160 "2014-03-19T18:21:42Z")
> [@lance\_strongarm](#): > > Why would I want to do that? > > I don’t defend those either, or did you mean someone else? > > I don’t understand your point. I don’t defend racists, I defend non-racists (or those presumed not to be racist) who are unfairly called racists. Good then, lets be clear that you are not defending **magellan01**. You see, crackpots do grab from even feebler straws to tell themselves that you are defending them. You have to take into account that your reply and the following post of \*\*Shodan \*\*made it look like if you were agreeing with the effort to distract about who the subject of the pit thread is. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-epitome-of-racist-republican/683975.md?page=9)