# Magellan01 is a fucking moron. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 15, 2008, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017 "2008-10-15T07:58:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/21 "2008-10-15T13:43:09Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > **magellan** often says dumb things, but he occasionally says smart things too. Very smart, in fact. There’s not one smart thing he said in the thread linked in the OP. Some crackpot claims Obama endorsed some Kenyan poitician because they were apparently in the same country as each other and all of a sudden \*\*Magellan01 \*\*turns into Hercule Poirot… hmm, further study is needed to come to the proper conclusions … dubious associations … hmmm… there’s a pattern … The fact is, that “article” is such an obvious, over the top, smear-job on Obama and he’s treating it like a Supreme Court transcript. He can whip out his hard-on for the Washington Times and wave it in our faces as much as he wants, but it doesn’t make his arguments any less fucking retarded. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/22 "2008-10-15T13:45:01Z")
I would like to nominate LonesomePolecat: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10314279&postcount=102](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10314279&postcount=102) [QUOTE=LonesomePolecat] There’s a laugh. The left today is motivated by a profound hatred of everything white, Western and Christian. You want to hear some real racism, honey? Go hang out with William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/23 "2008-10-15T13:54:17Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > I would like to nominate LonesomePolecat: > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10314279&postcount=102](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10314279&postcount=102) Wow. Yeah, that was pretty fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/24 "2008-10-15T14:08:14Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Yeah, when you add in the likes of **Starving Artist** and **Clothahumper** , **magellan01** is just a moronic right-wing semi-troll. Nowhere near their level of stupidity. > > -Joe None of them can touch **Carol Stream** , however. As for the OP, the basic source for **magellan01** ’s rantings is one [Jerome Corsi](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi), the one _Michael freaking Medved_ said was too fringe! ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/25 "2008-10-15T14:28:59Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > I’m waiting for his explosion of rage at McCain hiring a corrupt Saddam Hussein lobbyist to run his transition team. Given his raging hatred of Obama for his distant and tenuous ‘associations’ his head is bound to explode. > > Or he’ll hypocritically hand wave it away. > > One of the two. I’m sure we’re all agog. This is pretty ridiculous. The article **choie** linked to says that some guy working with McCain’s campaign lobbied to ease sanctions on Iraq in the mid 90s, and a couple of people who worked with him were arrested. Try to keep that in perspective here. He’s not a Saddam Hussein lobbyist any more than I’m a Fidel Castro lobbyist for arguing against the embargo. “Hand waving away” is exactly what that article deserves, as it has exactly as much legitimacy as Obama’s imagined connection to Ayers. Not that I’m saying magellan01 isn’t stupid. He certainly is. ---
**Author:** ![Brandon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f08c70/32.png) [@Brandon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brandon)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/26 "2008-10-15T14:30:21Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > I don’t think it would be helpful to anyone. **prr** just wants to see his/her own name show up on the list. Feed the ego and such. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/27 "2008-10-15T14:34:51Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > This is pretty ridiculous. The article **choie** linked to says that some guy working with McCain’s campaign lobbied to ease sanctions on Iraq in the mid 90s, and a couple of people who worked with him were arrested. Try to keep that in perspective here. He’s not a Saddam Hussein lobbyist any more than I’m a Fidel Castro lobbyist for arguing against the embargo. “Hand waving away” is exactly what that article deserves, as it has exactly as much legitimacy as Obama’s imagined connection to Ayers. > > Not that I’m saying magellan01 isn’t stupid. He certainly is. He worked directly with them for Saddam and for themselves to get a cut of Iraqi oil. They were clearly working as Saddam lobbyists. > [@](#): > > During the same period beginning in 1992, Timmons worked closely with the two lobbyists, Samir Vincent and Tongsun Park, on a previously unreported prospective deal with the Iraqis in which they hoped to be awarded a contract to purchase and resell Iraqi oil. Timmons, Vincent, and Park stood to share at least $45 million if the business deal went through. > > Timmons’ activities occurred in the years following the first Gulf War, when Washington considered Iraq to be a rogue enemy state and a sponsor of terrorism. His dealings on behalf of the deceased Iraqi leader stand in stark contrast to the views his current employer held at the time. > [@](#): > > Timmons declined to comment for this story. An office manager who works for him said that he has made it his practice during his public career to never speak to the press. Timmons previously told investigators that he did not know that either Vincent or Park were acting as unregistered agents of Iraq. He also insisted that he did not fully understand just how closely the two men were tied to Saddam’s regime while they collaborated. > > But testimony and records made public during Park’s criminal trial, as well as other information uncovered during a United Nations investigation, suggest just the opposite. Virtually everything Timmons did while working on the lobbying campaign was within days conveyed by Vincent to either one or both of Saddam Hussein’s top aides, Tariq Aziz and Nizar Hamdoon. Vincent also testified that he almost always relayed input from the Iraqi aides back to Timmons. He’s also a lying bastard. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/28 "2008-10-15T14:35:54Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > “Hand waving away” is exactly what that article deserves, as\*\* it has exactly as much legitimacy as Obama’s imagined connection to Ayers\*\*. (my bolding) Not for nothing, but I think that’s kind of the point. Edit: \*\*tagos \*\*hadn’t replied when I posted, so maybe that wasn’t his/her point, but it’s my point. I’m co-opting it. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/29 "2008-10-15T14:44:56Z")
[More Info](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/testimony_timmons_knew_lobbyis.php) > [@](#): > > For instance, court records examined by TPMmuckraker show that Samir Vincent, the other lobbyist involved in the scheme, testified at Park’s trial about a trip he took to Iraq during which he met with Saddam personally, and listened as the Iraqi dictator expressed his desire to have sanctions lifted and normal relations with the U.S. restored. > > The prosecutor then asked Vincent: “When you returned to the U.S., did you tell anyone about your visit with Saddam Hussein?” > > Vincent replied: “I told Bill Timmons and Tongsun Park.” > > Prosecutor: “Why did you tell Bill Timmons about your visit with Saddam?” > > Vincent: “To let him know that we were talking to the leader of Iraq, and in essence we have access, and assure him that any messages we were relaying between Iraqi (sic) and Tariq Aziz [a top Saddam aide] and anyone else, it was being transmitted to the president, Saddam Hussein, in Iraq.” Besides. Iraq was an enemy and designated a terrorist sponsor and as such he had no business lobbying for them at all. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/30 "2008-10-15T14:45:02Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > I would like to nominate LonesomePolecat: > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10314279&postcount=102](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10314279&postcount=102) Yea, I’d forgotten about him, and suddenly there he is again. Prior to his reappearance, **Carol Stream** was getting my vote for looniest of the fringe. The rest of them merely parrot the parties talking points to varying degrees of success (sometimes, they even seem to screw that up) ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/31 "2008-10-15T14:46:50Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > (my bolding) > > Not for nothing, but I think that’s kind of the point. > Edit: \*\*tagos \*\*hadn’t replied when I posted, so maybe that wasn’t his/her point, but it’s my point. I’m co-opting it. It was part of my point but the other part is that unlike the fax outrage over the Kenya thing, employing a lobbyist working for an enemy is a real issue. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/32 "2008-10-15T14:52:14Z")
> [@tagos](#): > > It was part of my point but the other part is that unlike the fax outrage over the Kenya thing, employing a lobbyist working for an enemy is a real issue. I don’t usually point out spelling/typo type things, but do you mean “faux” vs. “fax” here? (as in french for false/fake) ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/33 "2008-10-15T14:53:49Z")
> [@wring](#): > > I don’t usually point out spelling/typo type things, but do you mean “faux” vs. “fax” here? (as in french for false/fake) I did. Battery running out in keyboard. Been losing letters all day. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/34 "2008-10-15T15:00:30Z")
> [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](#): > > Dumber than **lekatt**? That’s just crazy talk! I think you may be right. It’s just Lekatt seems to post sporadically so I don’t figure him as a regular. But yeah, Lekatt is a fucking loon. Magellan is pretty fucking stupid though. Hmm, on further consideration, perhaps Magellan isn’t a case of _can’t think_ so much as _won’t think_. Maybe he’s just a coward that screws up his face when he sees info that suggests he’s wrong and his eyes glaze over and he starts thinking of something else. Right, I think I retract my title, Magellan isn’t a fucking moron, he’s a cowardly shit willing to outright lie to preserve the notion that his unexamined opinions are inviolate and unchallengeable. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/35 "2008-10-15T15:01:28Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > (my bolding) > > Not for nothing, but I think that’s kind of the point. > Edit: \*\*tagos \*\*hadn’t replied when I posted, so maybe that wasn’t his/her point, but it’s my point. I’m co-opting it. After reading Tagos’ response to my post, do you still hold that position? He posted in while you were typing, I think. It’s Tagos’ argument that a guy who was lobbying to relieve sanctions on Iraq so he could trade oil with them was an agent of Saddam’s government. Although our first response to this is to try inventing a possible reasonable excuse for the post, that’s just not the case. He’s not trying to point out how ridiculous the claims about Obama’s associations are with amusing anecdotal comparisons. He honestly believes this horse shit. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/36 "2008-10-15T15:12:27Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > After reading Tagos’ response to my post, do you still hold that position? He posted in while you were typing, I think. > > It’s Tagos’ argument that a guy who was lobbying to relieve sanctions on Iraq so he could trade oil with them was an agent of Saddam’s government. Although our first response to this is to try inventing a possible reasonable excuse for the post, that’s just not the case. He’s not trying to point out how ridiculous the claims about Obama’s associations are with amusing anecdotal comparisons. He honestly believes this horse shit. I think it’s a valid point to broach considering the tactics of “association problems” from the right. They started with this shit, so if they get a little back at them then tough noogies. My point about hand-waving is this: if this story about McCain’s guy being a dubious association is not worthy of any serious note, then how the fuck can any of the bullshit arguments about Ayers or the Kenyan dude be more valid … or valid at all, I suppose I should say? ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/37 "2008-10-15T15:19:27Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > After reading Tagos’ response to my post, do you still hold that position? He posted in while you were typing, I think. > > It’s Tagos’ argument that a guy who was lobbying to relieve sanctions on Iraq so he could trade oil with them was an agent of Saddam’s government. Although our first response to this is to try inventing a possible reasonable excuse for the post, that’s just not the case. He’s not trying to point out how ridiculous the claims about Obama’s associations are with amusing anecdotal comparisons. He honestly believes this horse shit. I believe it because it is true. He was an active lobbyist for Saddam. He was actively working for and with an enemy. His compatriots were convicted. The UN investigation found he knew full well what the score was. Chloe has a fine follow-up post in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/38 "2008-10-15T15:23:30Z")
> [@leander](#): > > Sorry, but there is no one on the Dope as stupid as Shodan. Waitaminnit, what about **Clothahump** and **Carol Stream?** ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/39 "2008-10-15T15:23:35Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > None of them can touch **Carol Stream** , however. Apologies, I had forgotten our sexually-neglected housewife. Just such a black hole of stupid, nothing can escape. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017/40 "2008-10-15T15:51:53Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Michael freaking Medved I liked him so much better when he was just a freaking film critic… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magellan01-is-a-fucking-moron/468017.md?page=3)